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NANCY GRACE

Interview With Adam Mayes`s Mother-in-Law; Alexandria and Kyliyah Bain are Missing

Aired May 10, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Tennessee. An entire family of five under siege. Mommy and her three little girls vanish without a trace, Mommy`s Durango abandoned on a country road. Ninety miles away, two shallow graves reveal the worst, Mommy and one of the girls dead.

But tonight, where are the other two little girls? And at this hour, what is happening to them? FBI in camouflage with high-powered rifles patrolling the area. Roadblocks springing up. A stunning turn, arrests go down for the suspect`s wife and mother. Grainy surveillance video emerges of Mayes just hours after Mommy and the 13-year-old girl buried in shallow graves.

Bombshell tonight. Contrary to all reports thus far, we learn Adam Mayes, 35-year-old white male, not on foot. In fact, we locate a witness placing him in a white Oldsmobile Alero. This could change everything. And at this hour, he could be far beyond where police are looking.

Also tonight, we confirm our suspicions. Mayes convinced the two younger girls are his biological daughters, and he plans to keep them with him, dead or alive. Tonight, the race against the clock. Every minute counts.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We believe Adam Mayes could be anywhere in the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is armed and dangerous.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s on the run.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This man, Adam Mayes, right there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Still on the run.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are extremely concerned for the safety of the girls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Alexandria and Kyliyah Bain.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Claiming that those two children were his.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He made us all think that that was his kids.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: JoAnn Bain and her eldest daughter were buried in shallow graves.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Teresa Mayes watched her husband kill the girls` mother and older sister.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doesn`t say how they died.

GRACE: They`re she-devils that should go right back to hell!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are still two girls missing in this case.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This man is on the run. The FBI has put him on the list of most wanted in this country.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Attempted to change his appearance along with the appearance of the girls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To Adam Mayes, I would urge you, turn those girls in to a safe location.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are in a race against time to find those two little girls alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Turn yourself in to law enforcement.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please, turn yourself in. Don`t hurt anybody else.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Contrary to all reports thus far, we learn Adam Mayes not on foot. In fact, we can place him last seen in a white Oldsmobile Alero. This could change everything. At this hour he could be far beyond where police are actually looking.

And joining me right now, a special guest. This is Adam Mayes`s mother-in-law. Her daughter, Teresa, is charged with murder. In the middle of all this, her daughter is tangled up with Adam Mayes and the murder of a mother and her little girl. At this hour, Adam Mayes on the run with the two younger little girls.

With me is Ms. Josie Tate. Ms. Tate, thank you for being with us.

JOSIE TATE, SUSPECT`S MOTHER-IN-LAW: You`re welcome.

GRACE: Ms. Tate, I see that you are crying right now. And I don`t even know what to cry about first. You`ve got the mother dead. You`ve got her 14-year-old girl dead. Your daughter is now charged with murder.

How did this whole thing happen? How did she get tangled up with Mayes?

TATE: Teresa met Adam when they were -- when Adam was 10 years old, 25 years ago. Adam and his family were our neighbors. They had just moved to be our neighbors from Texas. That`s how they met. And that was in Florida.

And we moved to Georgia, and we lost track of Adam and his family. And then in 2001, Teresa and Adam got back together. and the next thing we knew, Teresa was telling us that she was going to live with Adam, he was coming to pick her up, and that she was going to marry him.

And me and Teresa`s daddy begged, pleaded. We tried everything. Please don`t leave here with him. He is not good for you. You deserve better. And she would not listen because he stood in our back yard and he told her that she didn`t need to listen to her mama and daddy, that he knew what was best for her and that she would listen and do what he told her to do.

GRACE: And now she is behind bars charged with murder. And as a matter of fact, as you are speaking to us, the FBI is waiting to speak to you. Have you had a chance to talk to your daughter since Mayes took off with the family?

TATE: No, I have not. They will not allow me to speak to my daughter.

GRACE: Ms. Tate, right now, it`s our suspicion that I articulated last night that Adam Mayes really believes that these two little girls are his biological daughters, that he will do anything to keep them with him. Do you agree with that?

TATE: Yes, I do. He believes that they are his children.

GRACE: Ms. Tate, why? Why? Nobody believes that the mother ever had an affair with him, except for your daughter, Teresa. There is nothing to suggest she was ever with Adam Mayes. Why does he think these girls are his?

TATE: I don`t know. I can`t answer that.

GRACE: Did Teresa tell you that Adam had an affair with the mother?

TATE: She told me that she suspected it, but that she could not prove it.

GRACE: What made her suspect a sex relationship?

TATE: She did not tell me, only that he spent a majority of his time with the mother and the children.

GRACE: There in his home?

TATE: In his home, and in their home also.

GRACE: Did she ever see them kissing? Did she ever walk in on them having sex relations? Was there anything other than -- in her mind, that made her think they were having an affair?

TATE: If she did witness any of this, she did not tell me about it.

GRACE: What do you know of Adam Mayes`s relationship yourself with the victims, JoAnn Bain, just 31 years old, the mother of these girls, and Adrienne Bain, 14 years old, also dead, allegedly at the hand of Adam Mayes?

TATE: I`ve never met them. All I know is what I have read in the newspapers and what I`ve heard on the news report on TV. That`s -- and that`s all I know about the Bains family.

GRACE: Do you -- do you have any independent reason to believe that these girls are Adam Mayes`s biological children?

TATE: No, I do not.

GRACE: What can you tell me about Mayes? Do you believe he would kill the girls, rather than hand them over to authorities?

TATE: Yes. That is a possibility. I mean, that`s what I believe.

GRACE: What can you tell me about the last time that you spoke with your daughter, Teresa Mayes?

TATE: It was approximately two years ago. Teresa called me at home. She was crying. She asked me if she could come home. And I said, Well, of course you can come home. And her stepfather wired her a bus ticket.

When she -- we picked her up at the bus station and when she got here at the house, she showed me bruises on her. She said that she was sick and tired of Adam slamming her up against the walls, hitting her, knocking her around, and that she thought he was having an affair with the children -- the children`s mother and that she was just tired of it.

She stayed two nights and one day with me. On the second night or second morning, she got up and she had been communicating with Adam on the phone during the night. She said, Mama, will you take me back to the bus station and get me a bus ticket? She said, I have to go back.

I said, No, you don`t have to go back into that situation again. She said, Yes, Mama, it`s for my own good and your safety.

GRACE: So in other words, Adam Mayes threatened you...

TATE: I refused to take...

GRACE: ... through her? He probably told her that he would hurt you and her if she didn`t come home?

TATE: According to what she said, yes.

GRACE: Everyone, with me is the mother-in-law of Adam Mayes, on the run with two little girls. He`s convinced they are his biological children. There is no evidence to support that whatsoever.

Josie Tate, right now, as we are speaking, the FBI is waiting to talk to you. What do they want? What have they been telling you?

TATE: I don`t know. I received a tip this morning from a girl at the convenience store that I do business with that she thought she spotted Adam`s car in their parking lot a day or so ago. And I said, You do realize that I have to go home and call the FBI, which is what I done. I came home and I called the FBI in Atlanta.

Then a little while later, the FBI from the Dalton (ph) area called me and wanted to know if he could come out to my house and ask a few questions. And I said, Most certainly. I`ll cooperate any way that I can.

Well, just a few minutes ago, he called me back and wanted to know if I could meet him at the Murray (ph) County sheriff`s department. And I told him that I would be over there in just a little while.

GRACE: That vehicle is the white Alero? Is that the vehicle we`re talking about?

TATE: The girl at the store did not tell me what kind of vehicle it was. She just said it was a white car with a man in it.

GRACE: Let me ask you this, Ms. Tate. Where do you believe Adam Mayes would be with those girls?

TATE: I honestly don`t know. I know he`s from Texas. A few times when he was a kid, I heard him saying things like, When I get grown, I`m going back to Texas, you know? So my first thought was maybe he`s trying to slide through the Mexican border through Texas.

GRACE: What is your response, Ms. Tate...

TATE: I honestly don`t know.

GRACE: What is your reaction when you heard your girl, Teresa, who you say has learning disabilities -- she graduated with special education from high school, which was a really big deal because they told you she`d never graduate, she`d never make it, but you got her through. Now she`s charged with murder.

TATE: I was -- I was numb. I was in disbelief. You know, it`s just not possible. I just don`t believe it happened the way they`re saying it did.

GRACE: You understand that she is facing the death penalty?

TATE: Yes. I understand that.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Manhunt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Massive manhunt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A fugitive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, there is no way you`re going to be able to predict what a guy that off the reservation is going to do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hunt down Adam Mayes and rescue those two little girls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And he was obsessed with the children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He lived, sleep, eat and breathed nothing but these two children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mayes rented a trailer in Mississippi. Inside that trailer, law enforcement found clues about the two girls, who they believe are still alive.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Ms. Tate?

TATE: Yes.

GRACE: I can`t imagine working my whole life, literally my fingers to the bone, to try to raise my daughter and her getting tangled up with somebody like Adam Mayes. What do you have to say tonight to him, if he`s listening?

TATE: Adam, please turn yourself in, wherever you are. Turn those children in safely and unharmed. You`ve had the chance to live a life and experience life. They haven`t. You`ve destroyed the Bain family. Now you`re destroying my family. Don`t destroy any more. Please turn yourself in!

GRACE: When you go to the FBI, you know that between them and local authorities, they are going to make the decision whether your daughter faces the death penalty for her involvement in this scenario. A 31-year- old mother is dead, a 14-year-old girl is dead, according to our sources, by strangulation. And your daughter is in the thick of it, the middle of it, Ms. Tate.

TATE: Yes.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bain and three of her daughters, 14-year-old Adrienne, 12-year-old Alexandria and 8-year-old Kyliyah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two bodies were found in a home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thirty-one-year-old JoAnn Bain and her eldest daughter buried in shallow graves.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was considered a trusted family friend to the Bain family.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A manhunt for a family friend.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We do have information that he has altered the appearances of everybody, including himself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve known Adam for at least 25 years, and he`s always been weird and unusual.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Capture kidnapping suspect Adam Mayes and save two little girls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you`ve seen these kids, call.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: If my girl -- if my little girl Lucy got tangled up with somebody like Adam Mayes, I`d be standing on my head. I want to thank you. I want the viewers and the world to know that Teresa is a person with a mother and a family. And I want to find these girls alive. Any message that you want to get out, Ms. Tate, please let me know. We`ll do it. We`ll do whatever we can to help. Let me know.

TATE: Adam, Adam, please, if you`re out there, if you see this, please don`t hurt those babies! Turn them in and turn yourself in. Please! You`ve destroyed the Bain family. You`re destroying my family. Please, for God`s sake, please turn yourself in and don`t hurt those babies! You`ve had a chance to live life and experience it. They haven`t. Give them that chance.

GRACE: What do you think it`s going to take, Ms. Tate, to bring them home?

TATE: I don`t know. I really don`t know.

GRACE: Ms. Tate, my fear is that he is going to end up killing himself and the two little girls, wherever he is, whether he`s in some motel, whether he`s on his way to Texas in that white Alero, I`m afraid he`s going to take everybody down in flames.

TATE: That thought has crossed my mind many times since all of this started.

GRACE: Ms. Tate, what I don`t understand is how Teresa could go along carrying the two little girls and corpses in the car, and go along with burying the mother and the child in those two shallow graves.

TATE: Because Teresa was scared of Adam, the same as his mama. His mama was scared of Adam. Adam is evil.

GRACE: Well, Ms. Tate, I agree with you on that. I think he`s more than evil, I think he`s the devil himself.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI says Adam Mayes could be anywhere in the country.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are extremely concerned for the safety of the girls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are to bring these children back home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Surveillance shows Mayes in a Mississippi convenience store just days after the alleged abduction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Very quiet actually.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Adam believes the girls are his.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He lives, sleeps, eats and breathes nothing but these two children.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI`s ten most wanted fugitives list.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Molds mobile alert (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With their lives in balance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Place him in custody with he needs to be.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: FBI believe Alexandria and Kyliyah Bain are still alive and with Mayes could be anywhere in the United States.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: We are taking your calls. Right now straight out to Martin Savidge, CNN correspondent.

Martin, what is the latest?

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Nancy, the latest is trying to track down exactly where Adam Mayes is. The information that we`ve just received of course coming there from Ms. Tate, the mother-in-law is interesting because it talks about a vehicle.

We have not heard much talk coming from authorities about a vehicle. The FBI says they haven`t been giving descriptions of vehicle out because they aren`t really sure what vehicle he may be using. They don`t want the public on a wild goose chase looking for cars. They want them focused on finding Adam Mayes.

They are concern since all the focus has been pretty much in Mississippi, but maybe he is not there. The reason they say that, it is $175,000 reward offered now for about 24 hours. They have not received much information from that specific area. And that`s a lot of money. It`s not got authorities thinking he`s somewhere else, but they don`t know where.

GRACE: Well Martin Savidge, I have to tell you, I am very concerned. You were correct yesterday when you reminded me it was not the FBI but the authorities that had Mayes in their hands and questioning him and let him go. And all this time they have been telling all of us he`s here. He`s here in this area.

Take a listen to this Martin Savidge. With me is Nick Barghouthi. He is a clerk at the county line convenience store. And he is the one that waited on Mayes on April 30.

Mr. Barghouthi. Thank you for being with us.

NICK BARGHOUTHI, CLERK, COUNTY LINE CONVENIENCE STORE (via telephone): Yes, ma`am. Thank you.

GRACE: Mr. Barghouthi, everyone has been saying and reporting that Mayes walked in and out of county line convenience store and that he approached the convenience store on foot. What did you observe?

BARGHOUTHI: No. He wasn`t on foot.

GRACE: What did you see, Nick.

BARGHOUTHI: When he walked in I noticed he had a haircut. So, when is asked about it, he said it was too hot. He just bought a coke and walked out. But, when we looked through the tape I noticed that white Alero that he normally shows up with was just leaving the convenience store.

GRACE: So, he leaves the convenience store, when you look at the tape you see his white Alero pulling out of the parking lot.

BARGHOUTHI: Yes.

GRACE: Nick, in the last hours, we have gotten a hold of his mother-in-law Josie Tate. I don`t know if you`re familiar with her or her daughter Teresa Mayes.

BARGHOUTHI: Yes. I know Teresa.

GRACE: According to her, another convenience store in your area has just seen him in the last 72 hours pulling out in a white alero.

BARGHOUTHI: I would be really surprised. I didn`t think she would be here actually.

GRACE: Nick Barghouthi is with me, who is one of the last people who speak to Adam Mayes before he took off with the two little girls. He is convinced they are his blood daughters, his biological daughters.

Nick, why do you say that? Why do you say you`d be surprised if he was still in the area?

BARGHOUTHI: If he committing such a heinous crime like this one, you wouldn`t be around here because everybody would be on look out for you and --.

GRACE: Nick, when he came into the convenience store, what was his demeanor?

BARGHOUTHI: He was just normal, like nothing happened. I mean, for somebody who committed a crime like this, he is really disconnected, so quiet, nice. He paid and he walked out, nothing. Like he always does.

GRACE: So you`ve seen him on many occasions come in, correct?

BARGHOUTHI: Yes.

GRACE: What does he always get? Same thing?

BARGHOUTHI: Pretty much the same thing, either bud lite or some drinks, you know, sort of drinks.

GRACE: Bud lite, sodas. What about cigarettes?

BARGHOUTHI: No. He doesn`t buy cigarettes.

GRACE: Did he that day?

BARGHOUTHI: No, he didn`t because he always complained of heart problems, that he had a heart attack like a year ago or something.

GRACE: So, did he ever smoke?

BARGHOUTHI: Not in front of me. I have never seen him smoke before.

GRACE: When you saw the white alero pull out of that parking lot, could you tell if anyone else was in the car?

BARGHOUTHI: No, I couldn`t tell because it was too far away.

GRACE: OK. Did he say or do anything that was out of the ordinary?

BARGHOUTHI: Not at all, just very quiet. He walked in, oh I had a haircut. It was too hot. And that`s all. But he hasn`t always (INAUDIBLE).

GRACE: How does he normally wear his hair?

BARGHOUTHI: Mainly he had a ponytail, but that day he didn`t have it.

GRACE: It looks like he`s growing more of a full beard as opposed to a patch.

BARGHOUTHI: Maybe.

GRACE: Let me ask you this.

BARGHOUTHI: Yes.

GRACE: In all the time that you have waited on him, seen him come in and out, did he ever come in with Jo Ann Bain?

BARGHOUTHI: No, but I seen that woman like a couple weeks before that, her and a couple girls with her. I have seen them before, like once maybe.

GRACE: What were they doing?

BARGHOUTHI: They just walked in to buy some drinks. That`s all.

GRACE: They were not with Mayes, were they?

BARGHOUTHI: No. They were not with him.

GRACE: Did Mayes ever suggest to you that he had children, that he had two daughters?

BARGHOUTHI: No. He never mentioned anything about that.

GRACE: Never?

BARGHOUTHI: No.

GRACE: Are you convinced that when you left your convenience store, he was driving that white vehicle that he always drives?

BARGHOUTHI: Most likely, yes.

GRACE: Mr. Barghouthi, when he came in to your store and paid and left, there was nothing about his demeanor that would suggest he had just committed double murder and dug two graves and buried a mother and a 14- year-old girl.

BARGHOUTHI: No. Not at all, really.

GRACE: Out to Jean Casarez, our legal correspondent, "In Session." Well, this just blows the whole scenario wide open. This guy is in a car and not on foot out in the woods as they would have a bleed.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: It changes a lot. It does. Because it was thought he only had a motorcycle and that he had sold that. But here is something that we are learning about him, that he is a mooch and he lives off people. He doesn`t hold down a job, has odd man handy jobs. Who`s to say he has the money to travel too far unless he did get money for that motorcycle and that`s what is being used.

GRACE: Ellie Jostad, also on the story from the very beginning, what do you know about this other signing of Mayes?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right Nancy, this is actually near Josie`s home, the mother-in-law`s home which is about five hours or so to the east of gun town Mississippi where we know Adam Mayes is confirmed to have been last seen on April 30th. So, if he is there in the Georgia area he has gotten some distance away from where he was originally last seen.

GRACE: Two days Mack with WAAX also on the story. It has been coming out of WHBQ that the c.o.d., cause of death, on at least one of the victims is strangulation.

DAVE MACK, TALK SHOW HOST, WAAX RADIO: That`s what we have been able to gather this morning and that it was quite possibly the 14-year-old daughter that was strangled. But that`s not confirmed right now, Nancy. So, you know, it kind of makes sense because you would think in the middle of the night they would be quiet, you know, if something like this was going on.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Ken Padowitz, Peter Odom, Karen Conti. Also with us, psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall.

Bethany Marshall, this guy is clearly under the belief that these two little girls are his biological girls. To my understanding after having communications with the father, the biological father, absolutely not true.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Yes. But I don`t think this is a delusion like delusional disorder. This is the grandiose of the psychopath who believes whatever is in his own mind. I believe this guy is a sexual psychopath. I believe he was sexually interested in the two little girls. The reason he was interested in them or selected them is because of their pre-puberty. Pedophiles are only interested in pre-puberty. He had to kill the mother and the 14-year-old because they saw through him.

The fact that he killed the mother and the 14-year-old as the family was about to go to Arizona was because he was losing control over the two little girls. That`s why he had to assert control.

GRACE: To Ken Padowitz. Weigh in, Ken.

KEN PADOWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, clearly they have the wife`s mother in custody charged with first degree murder. They need to squeeze them like a lemon. They need to get information from them anything that they had that can lead to this killer.

GRACE: Peter Odom, it seems to me Teresa Mayes is willing to talk.

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you never know, Nancy. And the police are not going to be making a deal with her to drop any charges unless they know exactly what it is that she has to say. And we just don`t know what that is yet. Let`s not jump to any conclusions before we have facts.

GRACE: Karen Conti, defense attorney, she is looking at the death penalty. She is looking at the wrong end of the barrel right new. Weigh in.

KAREN CONTI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: She is. She absolutely is. But here is what the problem is. She has some learning disabilities. She was going along with this guy. She is an abused woman. She has got a lot of defense argument here. But she needs to cooperate.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We believe Adam Mayes could be anywhere I the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have information that he has altered the character of everybody including himself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not trustworthy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was the bailey`s handyman and baby sat the three girls.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His biological --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Adam Mayes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Bains` were just days away from moving back to Arizona where Jo Ann was going to finish her last few classes to become a teacher.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just never picture this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Adam Mayes, after two bodies were found in a home where he had been staying.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two bodies found buried in a shall le grave in Mayes` backyard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mayes even listed himself as the girls` brother on facebook page.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we are extremely concern for the safety of the girls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police expands their search.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI are gearing up guys with body armor getting into woodland camouflage, what you are doing is you think is he is in the woods. You think he in that area.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are in a race against time to find those two little girls alive.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Straight out to Pat Brown, criminal profiler. My suspicions confirm he truly believes these two girls are his biological children.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: OK. I`m going to disagree with you Nancy. I`m with Bethany Marshall on her - what her whole view on what he thinks of those two children. I think he likes them a lot. Just because Mayes says he believes those children are his children to other people doesn`t mean he believes that. He wants to manipulate other people. He want to get a respond to them. He wants to tell people them, yes, there`s a reason why I am always hanging around these little girls. He s a psychopath and a pathological liar. And I think he knows exactly that those aren`t his kids. He just wants to have them.

GRACE: Dr. Bill Lloyd, board certified surgeon and pathologist, according to WHBQ, at least one of the murders so far has been by strangulation. I am not surprised at all.

DOCTOR BILL LLOYD, M.D., BOARD CERTIFIED SURGEON, PATHOLOGIST: Nancy, the bigger question is how do you strangle two different people? This means there had to have been another player like Teresa complicit in this holding one person down while strangling the other . You don`t wander around the house and quietly strangle people. They are going to put up a fight.

Nancy, strangulation is ugly business. There is a lot of kicking and screaming going on and you can`t do it by yourself.

GRACE: You know, the thought of this 14-year-old girl being strangled along with her mom being buried in a shallow grave, the bodies were found fairly quickly, doctor. How much can we learn from the bodies?

LLOYD: That`s the good part of the story. The bodies had only been buried four days or less so there will be plenty of physical evidence there to identify how they died if it was strangulation and also evidence of previous injuries and possibility of sexual assault.

And Nancy, what about those two young children, possibly witness to these murders and burials.

GRACE: Steve Kardian, former police detective joining me out Bureau Beach. Steve, thanks for being with us. I learned something very valuable from Josie Tate, the mother-in-law of Mayes. I learned that he typically has a cell phone. What about pings. Can`t we find him through his cell phone?

STEVE KARDIAN, FORMER POLICE DETECTIVE, SELF DEFENSE EXPERT: If he`s utilizing that cell phone, Nancy, yes. The FBI is on it. I`m sure they have been on it from minute one so it is very possible they can get triangulate him, get a location if in fact he is using the cell phone. If not, there are other means.

GRACE: Out to lines, Kim, Alabama. Hi, Kim. What is your question.

KIM, CALLER, ALABAMA: Nancy, thank you so much. I don`t know, you may have covered this already, but I`m just curious. I think it has been confirmed about the mom and the 14-year-old were murdered at their home and the dad of these three children have stated that he was there when he woke up, they were gone. So, did he not hear anything?

GRACE: To Martin Savidge, CNN correspondent. Martin, the father in this scenario husband/father is absolutely a victim. He is not under scrutiny at all. Can you answer Kim in Alabama?

SAVIDGE: You`re right, Nancy, he is not a suspect and anyway, he performed. It is a question many people have had, why is it he did not hear something. How is it that you get four people out of a garage and he is unaware. He is older of his wife of 31 years. He actually is nearly double her age. He also is suffering health maladies we are told and now on top of that, of course, he is dealing with just a devastation none of us can imagine.

The FBI has spoken on his behalf. We are told he may make a statement at a future point. But right, he is physically not capable. But, he says, he did not hear or know of the abduction.

GRACE: Lindsey in Virginia. Hi, Lindsey. What is your question?

LINDSEY, CALLER, VIRGINIA: Hi Nancy. Thanks for taking my call. My question is if he is the biological father of all three of these girls, or is there a possibility that Adam Mayes is the father of some of them?

GRACE: Jane Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session," what do you think?

CASAREZ: Nancy, please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe some of those younger girls are adopted. Some in those family are adopted and I think that is where this wild speculation may have begun.

GRACE: Dave Mack, WAAX, what do you know?

MACK: Actually Jo Ann was married previously and the father is Mark Johnson. He has made a statement about this situation. However, Gary Bain did adopt all three girls and that`s why they have his last name.

GRACE: There is no evidence at all that Adam Mayes is the biological father. Explain the family tree again Dave Mack. I think you and Jean Casarez are correct.

MACK: Yes. It is a little confusing, you know, because of the adoption and the names and everything else but there is a bio-dad who is involved, a biological father who had a relationship with Jo Ann. And he has come forward and he has made a statement. And, you know, about Jo Ann.

GRACE: And his daughter is who?

MACK: The 14-year-old --

GRACE: Adrienne.

MACK: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: And the other two, Kyliyah and Alexandria --

MACK: That`s where I`m a little shaky --

GRACE: I think we`ve got the answer. Ellie?

JOSTAD: Nancy, the two oldest girls have the same parents. Jo Ann Bain and this man she was in a previous relationship with. The youngest girl is Jo Ann Bain and Gary Bain`s biological daughter is my understanding.

GRACE: OK, Adrienne and Alexandra, blood sisters. Kyliyah shares the same mother?

JOSTAD: Correct.

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GRACE: According to our sources, which we`re trying to confirm, he strangled the mother and/or the daughter, the 14-year-old girl. So he doesn`t believe the 14-year-old girl is his daughter? He just thinks the other two are? The 8-year-old and the 12-year-old?

JOSIE TATE, ADAM MAYES` MOTHER IN-LAW: That`s what I`m being told.

GRACE: I`ve noticed, Miss Tate in all of these photos he`s always posed with those two. Very rarely is he posed with all three of them. I noticed it last night. He`s always posed with Alexandria and Kyliyah.

TATE: Correct.

GRACE: Miss Tate, I want you to scour your mind. I know you`re on the way to the FBI right now. You know Teresa. You know Adam. Where would he be? Would they be living in the car? Could he take care of the girls out in the woods? Would he let them go if they asked him to? Would he let them go?

TATE: I don`t think he would. I do not think he would let them go.

GRACE: Miss Tate, do you think he would kill them before he let them go?

TATE: Yes. He`s already killed twice.

GRACE: The tip line, 800-824-3463. There`s nearly a $200,000 reward. That`s nearly a quarter million dollar reward to find these two little girls.

Let`s stop and remember Navy cryptologic technician, third class, Matthew O`Bryant, 22, Theodore, Alabama. Killed Pakistan. Bronze star, Purple Heart. Joint forces commendation. Combat action ribbon.

From a family of vets. Left Atlanta`s art institute to enlist. Dreamed of being a movie producer. Loved golfing and leaves behind parents Tommy and Barbara, brother, Lawrence, also in the Navy, sisters Nancy and Janet. Widow and high school sweetheart, Bridget.

Matthew O`Bryant, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but our biggest thank you, as always, is to you.

And congratulations tonight to Holly. Graduating Georgia Southern University in nursing. Also walking down the aisle this June, marrying Miles.

Everyone, "Dr. Drew" is next. Stay tuned.

I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

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