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NANCY GRACE

Second Casey Anthony Video Posted to YouTube

Aired January 9, 2012 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Bombshell tonight. Tot mom, Casey Anthony, at it again, last seen hiding her face under a blanket, running towards a private just jet after she`s released from jail. A Florida jury says she`s not guilty in the horrific murder and the disposal of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee, Caylee`s body found decomposed just 10 houses down from the Anthony home.

Six months to the day of that acquittal, tot mom blasts back into the national media, covertly leaking her own so-called video journal, and now more tot mom video surfaces of tot mom and her various new body piercings. Why? Money. Money, money, money, money, trying to generate interest in herself and possibly a tot mom reality show, since no TV outlet will touch tot mom with a 10-foot pole.

Against the backdrop of 2-year-old Caylee`s death and her decomposing body just a few houses down from where tot mom put her head on a pillow every night, tot mom yakking about her body piercings, not one mention of 2-year-old Caylee. Nauseating!

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CASEY ANTHONY, ACQUITTED OF MURDER: I did pierce my nose last night. I`m very excited. And my ear, too. Very, very exciting.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New video, Casey Anthony take two.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The second video, we`re getting a personal look even more intimate details of her life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey Anthony`s new video -- well, it is creating a massive uproar.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey Anthony -- she showed up in yet another video.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Talking and showing off her body piercings.

ANTHONY: ... whether to look directly at myself or look up or...

-- scary because I hate being on camera, but I need to conquer that fear at some point.

It`s a little surreal how much things have changed since July and how many things haven`t changed.

The thing is that things are starting to look up, and things are starting to change in a good way. I just hope they stay good and that they only get better.

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GRACE: And tonight, to Utah and Nevada. A 25-year-old blond beauty goes on a violent crime rampage. Defense? She says she was, quote, "kidnapped," quote, "in a way."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Utah couple arrested after an alleged cross- state killing spree.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two very dangerous individuals.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Authorities are saying that 25-year-old Angela Hill (ph) and 24-year-old Logan McFarland (ph) are the prime suspects in the deaths of an elderly Nevada couple. While Hill says that she is innocent and was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, the police believe otherwise.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Both were observed to be carrying objects deemed to be firearms.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And have charged the alleged Bonnie and Clyde in connection with a carjacking and shooting of a Nevada body builder.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Well, it`s happened again. Another tot mom video surfaces. That`s right, a new video supposedly hacked from tot mom`s computer, tot mom chatting, yucking it up, showing off multiple piercings, no mention of little Caylee.

We are taking your calls. Straight out to Jean Casarez, joining us from "In Session." Jean, the body piercings of tot mom -- it`s really hard for me to believe this was hacked.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": And this video is date-stamped December 25th. Now, that`s not qualified yet because who put it on? Is it a reuse of someone that originally put it on? But it is brand-new. It is black and white. It is multiple body piercings that she is very proud of that she`s talking about, and she`s just cut her very brown hair at that point.

GRACE: Take a listen.

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ANTHONY: I just pierced my nose last night. Very excited. And the top of my ear, too. Very, very exciting.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: To Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. Alexis, this is just one of many -- there was the shot -- we`re not showing it because we couldn`t absolutely say that it is tot mom, but I looked at it, it`s tot mom at an Olive Garden somewhere with a boyfriend, all snugged up under him. Looks like they`re looking at a menu. There`s other shots of her out at bars and other locales. It`s really hard for me to believe that this is hacked.

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: That`s what her lawyers are saying, but this is not what sources are telling us.

GRACE: Whoa! Stop!

TERESZCUK: We found...

GRACE: Tereszcuk! Tereszcuk! You know what? You just hurt my ear. That`s what her lawyer said. Her lawyers also said George Anthony molested her and Lee Anthony molested her. Remember that? They also said the baby died in the swimming pool and that George Anthony, a former cop, went and threw the body in a pet cemetery out in the woods to decompose. Yes, they said that, too.

So what do I care what they said Tereszcuk? Why are you even telling me that?

TERESZCUK: Well, and also, Casey went and reported when she had her probation -- she has to go to her probation officer every month -- she claims that her computer was hacked. That`s the only thing she says, nothing like, Oh, I`m doing really well, I have a job. She`s still unemployed. It doesn`t seem that she`s been paying any of the money back that she needs to. But instead, she`s just saying, Oh, my computer was hacked, as if this is the biggest news of her life in the six months since she`s been released from prison.

GRACE: There`s a shot of tot mom taken from YouTube. Alexis Tereszcuk, I assume that you are referring to the information on this document, her probation report, her written monthly report, where -- unemployed -- surprise, surprise. Have you been arrested or had contact with law enforcement? No. Are you in self-improvement programs? Yes. Wonder what that is? Maybe for compulsive liars.

Have you bought illegal drugs or controlled substances. No. Have you consumed booze? No. Unemployed? Yes. My computer was recently hacked.

To you, Ellie Jostad. Has there been a police report about the hacking?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Not that we can find, Nancy. And we talked to Angelo Nieves (ph) with the Orange County sheriff`s department, and he said no criminal complaint filed yet or no police report made with them.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Randy Kessler, defense attorney joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Bradford Cohen, defense attorney, Miami. Also with us, John Dill, attorney for Zenaida Gonzalez, who`s suing tot mom for claiming Zenaida Gonzalez stole little Caylee.

All right, Kessler, when somebody steals from you, if somebody beaks in your house, wouldn`t you call police, Kessler? That`s a yes/no, Randy.

RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s a yes/no. And Nancy, I think you got her. She`s guilty of piercing her nose. Congratulations. She`s convicted.

GRACE: OK, so you`re not going to answer. OK, Bradford, whether you like the answer or not, if somebody hacked into your computer, wouldn`t you call cops?

BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, I would.

GRACE: OK.

COHEN: And I -- I believe...

GRACE: At least you`re giving me a straight answer.

COHEN: I try to, Nancy.

GRACE: You believe what?

COHEN: But I mean, I`ll be quite honest with you. Jose Baez says they`re going to be filing a police report. I don`t know if they have or if they`re in the works of it. Obviously...

GRACE: Put him up!

COHEN: ... the police department say...

GRACE: Put him up!

COHEN: ... they have not, but...

GRACE: Why -- why are you saying they`re going to? What you do is you pick up...

COHEN: Because Jose Baez said they were.

GRACE: ... the phone -- here, you know what? Here. You can use mine. Call in and report it. It`s really not hard to do. You can even dial 911 and they`ll transfer you to non-emergency, Bradford Cohen. I`m sure you`re familiar with that.

And what about it, Lisa Lookwood, former police detective, author of "Undercover Angel," if her computer was hacked, wouldn`t there be a police report, Lisa?

LISA LOCKWOOD, FMR. POLICE DETECTIVE: That would be the first step. The very first thing that she should have done was call the police. It`s a serious crime.

GRACE: And to you, John Dill. John Dill -- everyone, as you recall, his firm represents Zenaida Gonzalez. When tot mom Casey Anthony`s daughter first disappeared, she claimed someone called Zenaida Gonzalez stole the baby. That was Zanny the nanny, non-existent nanny.

Your position is what about these video diaries, John Dill?

JOHN DILL, ATTORNEY FOR ZENAIDA GONZALEZ (via telephone): Well first of all, this is something that we don`t think was a hacking. We think this was something that was calculated. You notice the timing of it, six months to the day from her acquittal.

And it`s our position that this is a waiver of any type of safety concerns or 5th Amendment issues that she`s raised with the court, and we think she`s just gaming the system and we want to get a chance to take her deposition.

GRACE: What do you mean by gaming the system?

DILL: Well, on the one hand, she says that she doesn`t want to talk, that she`s afraid for her safety and how she appears. On the other hand, she`s obviously out there trying to rehab her image, if she can even do that, by these selectively leaked videos. So we think...

GRACE: Can I ask you something? I`m very intrigued by what you just said. John Dill, you`re with Morgan and Morgan, right?

DILL: I am.

GRACE: All right. John, how is her in a low-cut shirt, a tank top, flipping her hair around, wearing yet another pair of probably fake glasses -- but how is that rehabbing her image? I`m just interested in why you would think that that`s rehabbing her image.

DILL: Well, I think she`s trying to humanize herself, and at the same time, trying to make some money. I mean, you know, obviously, the low-cut shirt -- I mean, your guess is as good as mine as to the motivation behind that. But I think it has a lot to do with people -- her wanting to get people to tune in and look at her.

But also, we think she`s out there trying to humanize herself, talking about her pets and how she has things that are her own. But on the sidelines now, we haven`t had the chance to take her deposition because she`s been getting the protection of the court, and we don`t think that`s right.

GRACE: OK, I`m going to Ellie Jostad, jump off, use as a diving board what John Dill just said. Ellie Jostad, I know you`re a very big adoption proponent. Everybody, you`re seeing video from YouTube of tot mom`s so- called video journal. When she first said the big news, headline, I`ve adopted -- my heart nearly burst out of my chest. I thought she`d adopted a baby. I since find out it`s a dog.

JOSTAD: Yes, mine, too, Nancy. I had the same reaction...

GRACE: I feel so bad about that dog.

GRACE: ... when I heard that word. Right. She says she`s adopted a dog. But Nancy, you know, she has mentioned that she wanted to adopt a baby. Remember those jail letters? She told a friend in jail that she wanted to adopt a baby from Ireland, a baby with an Irish accent. Remember that?

GRACE: You know, another thing, though. When you first said that about adopting, I thought you meant when she wanted to put her own child, Caylee, up for adoption. Remember that...

JOSTAD: Right. Right.

GRACE: ... Ellie? She wanted to get rid of Caylee so long ago. To Mike Dow, joining us out of LA, psychotherapist, author of "Diet Rehab." Mike, thanks for being with us. Mike, I wanted to ask you your take on her videoing herself yakking about her body piercings.

MIKE DOW, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: It`s crazy, Nancy. You know, here`s a woman who probably killed her daughter, and she is really using this video blog to really promote herself, when -- you know, she`s claiming that she`s using it to treat herself, and you know, take it to counseling in the future. That is not the kind of blog I would want to see if somebody was going to get treatment for these heinous crimes and these things that she did.

GRACE: Out to Dr. Bill Lloyd (ph), board-certified surgeon and pathologist, joining us tonight out of Sacramento. Dr. Lloyd, it`s so great to have you on with us. Thank you for being with us.

DR. BILL LLOYD, SURGEON AND PATHOLOGIST: Good evening, Nancy.

GRACE: Dr. Lloyd, what we saw at trial was more photos of vines and foliage all up, growing through her body, all around her body -- we`re talking about a 2-year-old little girl, Caylee. And these videos, no mention of her whatsoever. It`s all about tot mom, her new computer, her new camera, her new dog, her new body piercings, nothing about Caylee.

What did that foliage, that growth, signify to you, Dr. Lloyd?

LLOYD: This what is I`ve learned as a physician. All behaviors are gestures. I`ll say it again. All behaviors are gestures. So whatever you say, or not say, sends the signal. So when this young mother, mother of a dead child, makes no mention whatsoever about her dead child, then we know clearly there`s motivation at stake.

Certainly, earlier tonight, we heard the legal ramifications. Don`t mention her name whatsoever. You`re going to drag the past back up with you. No, no, Nancy. This is all about tot mom. This is all about her and the narcissism that consumes her life and her endless need for attention!

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. She`s back! Tot mom, Casey Anthony, after last week`s bombshell, yet another video journal entry of herself, this time yakking about her body piercings, has surfaced. Looks like tot mom is in the reality show business now.

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ANTHONY: I`m extremely excited.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And two new still pictures.

ANTHONY: I have something that I can finally call mine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One shows Casey apparently in front of her computer with her now blond hair.

ANTHONY: I don`t know. It`s been a long time since I`ve been able to call something mine. And now that I have something even, you know, as silly as saying that I have a computer, and a camera and a phone...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The second shows a look we`re more familiar with.

ANTHONY: I`ve actually now paid for my own computer. The camera was a gift. But these are things that are mine that I don`t have to -- I don`t know -- that I don`t have to give back. It`s kind of nice finally being able to say that I have some belongings that are mine, that I`ll be able to take with me after I leave here.

I did pierce my nose last night. Yes. Very excited. And the top of my ear, too. Very, very exciting.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Tot mom just won`t go away. You`d think after you`re acquitted on the murder of your 2-year-old child, you`d kind of lay low. No! Just after the Christmas lull in TV watching and ratings, when everybody`s through running reruns, suddenly, tot mom strategically bursts back into the national media when her video diary is leaked.

We are taking your calls. But to Holly Briley joining us out of Columbus. She and husband Jon claim to be the first to post the Anthony video on YouTube. They manage the Boycott Casey Anthony FaceBook page. Holly, thank you for being with us.

HOLLY BRILEY, CLAIMS TO BE FIRST TO POST VIDEO ON YOUTUBE (via telephone): Hi, Nancy. Thank you.

GRACE: Holly, tot mom`s defense team -- the last time I saw them, one of them was shooting a bird at the camera. I assume we have that, let me just say, captivating video. Holly, they are now saying that all of this was hacked, and somehow, that`s putting you and your husband, Jon Briley, in the crosshairs of a criminal action, as well as a civil action, Ms. Briley. What is your response to people that claim this video was hacked?

BRILEY: I do not believe it. I`ve also offered up all of our computers to their team for FBI analyzation. They can see where we`ve been, who we`ve been and that we`ve not hacked a soul.

GRACE: And what was their response?

BRILEY: I`ve gotten no response. I also would like to add that I would like theirs analyzed at the same time because I know we`re good. I know we`re good people.

GRACE: OK.

BRILEY: I haven`t heard a word.

BRILEY: Holly Briley, you should really go to law school and become a lawyer because you have a great instinct. My next question to the lawyers was going to be, Why don`t they offer up tot mom`s laptop and her cam that -- obviously, there are a lot of other photos that we`re not showing where tot mom, obviously, has set up a tripod or a camera timer to take more candid photos of herself.

And I was wondering if they would like to offer that up to police when they finally file their police report about somebody hacking into her computer. So Holly Briley and her husband, Jon, who joined us last week, has offered their computers to tot mom`s defense team to show them where they have been, the various searches that they`ve done.

Holly, you`re saying no word from tot mom`s defense team on that, no acceptance?

BRILEY: I have heard no acceptance. I`ve heard nothing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... first time Since Casey Anthony was acquitted on murder charges, we are hearing and seeing video comments from her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a video diary.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is disgusting! The baby, what about her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is public enemy number one!

ANTHONY: Can someone let me -- come on!

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ANTHONY: Now I have someone to talk to when I`m by myself, so I`m not bothering the poor dog.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey in her own words.

ANTHONY: I`ve adopted. And I love. And he`s as much my dog as any of the other pets I`ve ever had.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I couldn`t believe in all the video that Caylee was never mentioned and that I felt very sorry for that dog that she has now.

ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) family I`ve ever had, if not moreso. I don`t know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: I`m just a lawyer, but the degree of self-absorption it must require to sit in front of a camera and talk about yourself ad nauseam -- Pat Brown, you`re the criminal profiler, author of "The Profiler." Pat, help me out. You`ve dealt with so many killers, pathological liars. Come on Pat. I don`t get it. And now I`m enduring a video about her body piercings? Thank God in heaven I only saw the piercings from the neck up! Ugh!

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: But what don`t you get? You know as well as I do what this woman is. She`s a psychopath. And she loves being in the public eye. She loves the attention. She is going to do this. We knew she was going to do this.

And this is what is so disgusting. My opinion, I`m going to go back to the jury system. If we do not provide justice, we`re going to get this in our lives. And it`s almost like, Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And do we deserve it? Well, we`re not going to fix that justice system, maybe this is just the poisonous medicine we need to do it.

GRACE: Well, actually, I think that this should be force-fed to all of the jurors that acquitted her. They need to see her going on and on and on about her body piercings. Again, repeat, only to emphasize, thank God in heaven I only have to hear about the ones from the neck up.

You know what this brings to mind, though? To Patti Wood, body language expert, author of "Success Signals." Patti, remember when it came out that she, at a very inappropriate time, right after Caylee went missing -- she got the -- what was it, Ellie, the good life, Bella Vita?

JOSTAD: Right, Bella Vita.

GRACE: The tattoo?

JOSTAD: Bella Vita tattoo.

GRACE: At totally inappropriate timing, and now, when you would assume that she`s finally getting the chance to mourn the loss of her daughter because, you know, her trial has only been over six months, her first real time to grieve, she`s doing this. What about it, Patti?

PATTI WOOD, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Well, it`s very disturbing in that first four-minute, 20-second video, that we see, actually, her sounding like a college girl. You know, I used to teach body language at Florida State. And she gets wistful and she`s, Oh, I hate being on camera. And then we see in the next minute, her primping her hair and really enjoying being on camera. And the self-focus, mentioning I, me or mine 46 times in 4:20! And all that sensual self-focus and comfort (ph) cues (ph) down around her chest at the end of the video. All so very, very disturbing.

GRACE: What we thought was a blip on the radar has turned out to be a regular thing, tot mom back with more video journal about, what else, herself!

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CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF MURDERED CAYLEE ANTHONY: So this is my first video diary.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey Anthony making a video diary.

ANTHONY: I`m just starting to figure out my new computer and, I don`t know, I guess I`m liking it so far. It`s obviously a different ball game for me. Very, very exciting.

I`m extremely excited that I`ll be able to Skype and, obviously, keep a video log, take some pictures, and then I have something that I can finally call mine. Kind of funny to think about, actually. I know it`s going to be a while since I leave. I`ll be here for many, many months more, even if I`m only here for six months. Even if I get off probation early, I`ll still be here at least until February? The end of February.

I did pierce my nose last night. Very excited. And top of my ear.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Casey Anthony has been called the most hated person in America has resurfaced.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What does this all mean?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It means that -- I think that she`s very lonely.

COOPER: She doesn`t mention her dead daughter, she`s also now a blonde.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go climb under the rock from where she came.

ANTHONY: This is my first video diary. It is October 13th, which is a Thursday, 2011, and I`m just starting to figure out my new computer and, I don`t know, I guess I`m liking it so far. It`s obviously a different ball game for me because I`ve never used this before. So I guess these will be as tedious as my audio recordings have been.

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GRACE: You`re seeing video from YouTube of tot mom Casey Anthony`s so-called video journal. Well, that was last week. We thought it was a blip on the radio but once again tot mom resurfaces with new video about her body piercings.

Take a look.

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ANTHONY: I just pierced my nose last night. Very excited. And top of my ear. Very, very exciting.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That`s video from WESH, that`s tot mom Casey Anthony talking about her body piercings from the neck up at least. A lot of other photos have surfaced, some that we couldn`t absolutely confirm were her. They look like her. There`s one, I was talking to Alexis Tereszcuk, Radaronline.com.

Did you guys post that, Alexis, of her at an Olive Garden snuck up -- under some guy and his face has been censored out? Wasn`t that on Radaronline.com?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: That, I believe, is one of the ones also and it was the one where she`s sitting on the bedroom floor with her sitting spread-eagle her legs wide open trying on a pair of cowboy boots. There`s another one of her in what looks like a bar or restaurant, she`s standing in the corner, she`s got a baseball cap on, she looks like she`s texting.

We`ve also learned that since these videos have come out, she has dyed her hair red. We`ve learned she`s been going to church. She has a boyfriend. And Casey is doing everything just in the public eye. Maybe hoping that people are going to see her. But she is definitely not in hiding that she`s pretending to be in.

GRACE: Well, unless there`s somebody trying to stalk her at Olive Garden, I think she`s safe. So what does it say to you, Alexis Tereszcuk, if she`s out there allegedly going to church, going out with a boyfriend, going to Olive Garden, going to bars, trying on new shoes? Apparently she`s not afraid of retaliation. She`s not living in fear as her lawyers would have us believe.

TERESZCUK: No, not at all. She is in very public places. Unless it`s a private church with just two people in there, that`s a lot of people that are going to be in church on a Sunday. And she`s --

GRACE: Alexis Tereszcuk --

TERESZCUK: -- there for everyone to see.

GRACE: If photos are popping up of her, say, at church or at Olive Garden or at a bar, why isn`t she working? I don`t want to see an Olive Garden shot of her unless she`s back there making salad. All right. So why? Why can`t she work? Why, Alexis, am I reading unemployed?

TERESZCUK: We actually heard that she might be working for this new boyfriend`s company, but she`s not declaring this as any income or anything like that. I think that if she`s still has a lot of lawsuits Casey is going to want to be declaring any money now that she might have to give to someone else. Although she has money because she said she bought a computer.

GRACE: IRS. Hope you`re not listening, IRS. Tot mom`s working and not claiming it. Because this absolutely says unemployed.

And speaking of those lawsuits Alexis Tereszcuk is alluding to, with us today, is John Diehl, the attorney for Zenaida Gonzalez, who is one of several suing tot mom.

To Larry Fishelson, telecommunications expert, co-founder and COO of Dynalink Communications. Her defense team is claiming that she was hacked. That her private journals have been hacked. That`s kind of hard for me to believe because if her computers were hacked, I would imagine that more -- let me just say euphemistically, dynamic information would have been released, not her pointing to her nose.

LARRY FISHELSON, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT: Absolutely. I`ll tell you, I don`t believe she was hacked because all her lawyers had to do was fill out called a Digital Millennium Copyright Act. They could have filled out a DMCA take down notice. There`s no federal copyright registration required to file this notice. She owns the copyright to her own video so they could have went ahead, and filed it and within a couple of days it would have been taken down from YouTube and the other Web hosting sites, and how come they did not do that? So that`s the real leery part here.

GRACE: OK, hold on. Let me get this straight, Larry, because this is an area of the law I`m not -- which with I`m not familiar.

Larry Fishelson, joining me out of New York, telecommunications expert, what did you say DMCA and --

FISHELSON: It`s called -- this was formed in 1998, it`s called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and through Title 17 of the act, you can file a DMCA take-down notice. So you can send it to YouTube, you know, this was from the Web. To YouTube and to Web host providers that put on stuff that would be -- where somebody hacked your own copyrighted stuff.

And you don`t have to -- and you don`t even have to file a federal copyright registration here. So normally if somebody was just hacked, they can go ahead and fill it out -- you know out themselves. But she has top lawyers here, so for all her top lawyers to not go ahead and do this and then not file a report with the federal authorities, I think that tells you that, you know, they might be worried that she was not hacked.

GRACE: You know what, Larry Fishelson, you make perfect sense.

Unleash the lawyers, Randy Kessler, Bradford Cohen. Also with us, John Diehl, attorney for Zenaida Gonzalez, and also with us, former police detective, Lisa Lockwood.

All right, what about it, Kessler? How come the defense hasn`t filed a DMCA and YouTube would immediately take this down?

RANDY KESSLER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I bet they`ll do it tomorrow. You didn`t know about it. I don`t know about it. These are defense lawyers, criminal defense lawyers. I`m sure what their advice to their client is don`t talk about the case, don`t talk about your daughter.

That`s why there`s no video of her talking about her daughter because that would be something that would cross reference the case. She`s talking about innocent little things, and that`s probably as far as the representation goes. They`re not technology patent intellectual property lawyers. So it`s forgivable if they didn`t know that act.

GRACE: OK, you know, Bradford Cohen, I appreciate Randy Kessler once again covering, sweeping this under the rug, but the reality is, when you are presented with a crime, hacking computer, you would file a police report immediately. Especially in a high-profile case like this.

Also, when you call police, they would tell you, file a DMCA. That wasn`t done. So you don`t have to be an expert to know how to do this. As Larry Fishelson has just told us, you don`t even need a lawyer to do it. You know how people can now go online and write their own wills, get their own divorces and they don`t -- they cut out the middle man, middle guy, the lawyer? Anyone would have figured this out. But with a cursory Google search or Yahoo! Search.

Bradford, what about it?

BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t agree with that. I don`t think the norm, even the normal lawyer, knows about a DMCA. I have had dealings with it. I`ve heard about it before. I know how the process works. But normal just criminal defense attorneys don`t experience that type of thing.

GRACE: But aren`t you a criminal defense attorney, Bradford, and you know about it?

COHEN: Yes, but I`m not your normal criminal defense attorney.

GRACE: What about it, Lisa Lockwood?

LISA LOCKWOOD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: She was just covering her butt. She wasn`t hacked and I think that she was attempting to make some money on this.

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COOPER: It`s really bizarre, this whole thing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is Casey again getting out there in the public eye, thinking about herself. Nowhere in this tape mentioning the daughter who is dead and not seeming to have any more contrition about this horrible, horrible set of affairs.

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GRACE: Take a look at yet more video tot mom apparently has leaked of about herself.

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ANTHONY: I just pierced my nose last night. Very excited. And top of my ear. Very, very exciting.

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GRACE: That`s more video of tot mom Casey Anthony from W-E-S-H, WESH, talking about her new body piercings.

We are taking your calls. To Dan in Canada, hi, Dan, what`s your question?

DAN, CALLER FROM CANADA: Hi, Nancy. I would just like to say a big fan of the show.

GRACE: Thank you.

DAN: I`m just wondering, how many more videos do you think she`ll bring out within the next month?

GRACE: Oh, Dan. I think --

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GRACE: I was thinking, Dan in Canada, it reminded me of when Mel Gibson video was leaked. I think that was on Radaronline.com, where the girlfriend, Oksana -- what was her name, Ellie? Grigorieva?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Grigorieva, yes.

GRACE: Yes, her. Was releasing bit by bit about the alleged beating by Mel Gibson. It came out in trickles, Dan in Canada. That`s what I think is happening here.

And apparently, Jean Casarez, there is some talk that she`s shopping a reality show or a series of these. What about it, Jean? What do you make of it?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, a reality show, that would make perfect sense for this being released. Remember she also talked about audio recordings. But the issue is if you`re concerned for your safety and who out there -- there could be many people that would want to post videos of her online if they could get their hands on them, so why would your therapist tell you to make them originally?

GRACE: And also, what do you make, Jean Casarez, of the fact that no police report has been filed, no DMCA has been filed? And I just stuck it on Google, about a million sites come up.

CASAREZ: You know when you talk about Casey Anthony --

GRACE: So easy to find.

CASAREZ: -- everything is just sort of turned upside down. And law enforcement must know where she`s located for her safety in Florida. So that law enforcement could come out or the probationary officer from January 5th could also help her make a report.

GRACE: Well, Jean Casarez, you managed to speak to the defense team first and they said this was a result of hacking. Did they mention why they haven`t reported it to police or filed a DMCA?

CASAREZ: I spoke last on Thursday, the same day that Casey Anthony spoke to -- with her probation officer, a call today has yet to be returned.

GRACE: Right now, everybody, we are switching gears, to 25-year-old blonde beauty apparently goes on a violent criminal rampage.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police are calling them Bonnie and Clyde.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got two very dangerous individuals off the street.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Authorities are saying that 25-year-old Angela Hill and 24-year-old Logan McFarland are the prime suspects in the death of an elderly Nevada couple.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Both Angela Hill and Logan McFarland were taken into custody without incident.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A Utah couple arrested after an alleged cross- state killing spree.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were deemed to be firearms.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The police believe otherwise and have charged the alleged Bonnie and Clyde in connection with the carjacking and the shooting of a Nevada bodybuilder.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a result of that aircraft being in the area spotted those two individuals, it`s my understanding that they were a little bit taken by surprise by law enforcement.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Hill claims that she is innocent and was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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GRACE: And she also claims she was kidnapped, quote, "in a way."

All right. I`m not sure what that means. Out to Jim Kirkwood, KTKK.

Jim, what happened?

JIM KIRKWOOD, NEWS SHOW HOST, KTKK: Well, this is an unbelievable story, Nancy, about two kids who have churchgoing, decent backgrounds who got --

GRACE: Did you just say kids? Isn`t she 25?

KIRKWOOD: Yes. OK. I guess they`re not kids anymore. You`re right.

GRACE: Yes.

KIRKWOOD: They were decent kids but --

GRACE: Whoa. She looks like Cameron Diaz.

KIRKWOOD: In the past, yes.

GRACE: I know who`s going to play her in the movie. So, OK, other than you incorrectly reporting that they`re kids, what happened? Aren`t they linked to the murder of an elderly couple in their 70s?

KIRKWOOD: Something happened in the last few years where they got into drugs, both of them, McFarland is on probation for burglary. She has a background of methamphetamine and heroin use. He has a methamphetamine background apparently. The -- they went on this I guess drug binge and killing spree.

GRACE: You know, Jim, I`m a little surprised at you. You know, we`ve been on-air friends for some time now and you`re acting like you`re reading a resume. Oh, they`ve got a background in broadcast journalism.

It`s drugs and heroin, Kirkwood. Drugs and heroin. Hold on.

Clark Goldband, joining me.

Clark, Kirkwood is handling these two with kid gloves, I don`t get it. You got a dead elderly couple, you got a Cameron Diaz look-alike who goes over the brink, goes over the edge on to a criminal rampage. What happened?

CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Well, Nancy, from that suspected break-in where authorities have not charged them yet but do suspect they broke into the home of that elderly couple and killed them -- again no charges filed on that -- they then drove across the border and allegedly the next day -- listen to this -- held a female bodybuilder at gunpoint trying to take her out of the car. She fights back, gets shot in the head, they flee and then they allegedly carjack another vehicle where they lead police on a high-speed chase, somehow get away from that chase, and are finally taken down in the desert some time later.

GRACE: You`re taking a look at the female bodybuilder they gunned down. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. I knew about the elderly couple that`s dead in their wake. No charges on that yet. I want to hear -- look at them. Now I`m hearing about the bodybuilder. Tell me about her.

GOLDBAND: Well, Nancy, it was supposedly in the parking lot of a casino. The bodybuilder was next to her car. And someone, allegedly this woman, this 25-year-old, held up a gun at gunpoint to try to carjack her out of the vehicle but the bodybuilder fights back and that`s when, according to law enforcement, a struggle ensues and she`s actually shot in the head and I`m happy to report has survived that.

GRACE: OK. Where`s the dead couple?

GOLDBAND: They are in Utah.

GRACE: OK. Good to know. Because they have the death penalty. We`re looking at two dead bodies. That equals mass murder under the constitutional reading of the statute.

Back to Jim Kirkwood, KTKK, who insists on saying these two kids, these two crazed kids, with a drug background.

OK. Jim, two dead people, one nearly dead person, let`s reevaluate what happened here. What can you tell me, Kirkwood?

KIRKWOOD: McFarland went into their home to burglarize, killed them, stole everything of value in there, and in fact even the credit cards that got them associated with the case, that`s what`s going to probably convict them, and let me tell you, in Mount Pleasant, that area, those farmers and cowboys out there, they`re going to get -- he will at least get the death penalty. It` all over for him.

GRACE: Now wait a minute. You`re saying this is all McFarland. Are you telling me that the 25-year-old girl was hiding under the bed somewhere? You don`t think she was right there with him?

KIRKWOOD: Apparently, based on police reports, she was at the party where he went back with the stolen goods. She was not a participant in the direct robbery. Just a conspirator afterwards.

GRACE: OK. That makes sense. And what about the female bodybuilder, Jim Kirkwood? What was her involvement in that?

KIRKWOOD: Apparently she was the shooter. She was in the car with the woman to try to get her to go away from downtown there in Wendover. And that`s the problem. She`s the shooter. So she`s going to get a long sentence in Nevada out of that one.

GRACE: Does Nevada have the death penalty?

KIRKWOOD: They do.

GRACE: With me, Jim Kirkwood, KTKK.

Take a look at the blonde beauty who goes over the edge and launches into a murderous rampage.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As law enforcement grew closer and announced their presence, the objects were placed upon the ground and both Angela Hill and Logan McFarland were taken into custody without incident.

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ANTHONY: And that`s my ear. Very, very pretty.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: New video. Casey Anthony, take two.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The second video we`re getting a personal look, even more intimate details of her life.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey Anthony`s new video. Well, it is creating a massive uproar.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey Anthony. She showed up in yet another video --

CASAREZ: Talking and showing off her body piercings.

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GRACE: We thought it was just a blip on the radar when tot mom re- injects herself into the national media last week with a leaked video diary all about herself, but it`s back. This time, tot mom talking about her own body piercings. It may be laughable, but when viewed with I guess the backdrop of the murder of her two-year-old daughter, Caylee, and the decomposition of her body that we heard about tonight, it is extremely upsetting.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A black and white YouTube video supposedly shows Casey Anthony making a video diary.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey Anthony is speaking out for the first time since being acquitted of murdering her daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: NBC News has now confirmed that the video that is now on YouTube is in fact the Florida mother.

ANTHONY: So this is my first video diary. It is October 13th, which is a Thursday, 2011. And I`m just starting to figure out my new computer.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey Anthony is out with a Web diary, it`s posted on YouTube.

ANTHONY: This has just been such a blessing in so many ways. And now I have someone to talk to when I am by myself, so I am not bothering the poor dog who have I -- I have adopted and I love as much as my dog as any of the other pets I`ve ever had.

GRACE: What does this all mean?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It means that I think that she`s very lonely.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Granting advice. Go climb under the rock from whence you came.

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GRACE: Let`s stop and remember, Army Sergeant Brandon Hadaway, 25, Valley, Alabama. Killed Afghanistan. On a third tour, also served Iraq. Bronze star, Purple Heart, National Defense Service Medal. Loves sports, hunting, telling jokes. Leaves behind a father, James, stepmother Sheryl, brother Michael, sister Britney, step sisters Tiffany and Haleigh. Wife, Rachel. Sons, Levi and Dillon. Stepson, Hunter.

Brandon Hadaway. American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you, and happy birthday to Florida friend Alina. Creator of the Peace Love World clothing brand.

Happy birthday, beautiful, Alina.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.

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