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Cain Suspends Campaign; Sandusky's "Bizarre" Interview

Aired December 4, 2011 - 08:00   ET

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T.J. HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Well, good Sunday morning to you all. From the CNN Center in Atlanta, Georgia, this is your CNN SUNDAY MORNING. I'm T.J. Holmes.

And coming up, Herman Cain, he decides to bring that Cain train to a halt. Which candidate is going to reap the benefits now?

Also, yesterday, you heard Jerry Sandusky talk about his, quote, "attraction" to young people? This morning we are getting reaction from the attorneys of two of his alleged victims.

Also this morning -- well, it looks like a Christmas tree, right? The lights, a star, a few ornaments on it. If you live in Rhode Island, however, it is a holiday tree. Taking Christ out of Christmas is the subject of this morning's "Faces of Faith."

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HOLMES: But we begin with the end for Herman Cain. Here is part of his announcement, if you missed it yesterday.

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HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am suspending my presidential campaign because of the continued distraction, the continued hurt caused on me and my family, not because we are not fighters, not because I'm not a fighter.

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HOLMES: All right. But he won't be fighting on as a presidential candidate. The campaign is suspended. Doesn't mean he's not still going to have some kind of impact.

Our political reporter Shannon Travis is here in studio with me.

Good to have you in Atlanta.

You've been following Herman Cain for quite some time. He can continue this fight. Plan A was being president. Plan B is starting a Web site.

What kind of impact you're going to have doing that?

SHANNON TRAVIS, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: And Plan B is also still being a playmaker in Republican presidential race. Plan B is this Web site, the Cain Solutions, where he says he'll keep promoting the 9-9-9 plan. He's going to promote energy independence for the U.S. and you want to be a little bit of a kingmaker. I mean, there's also the talk of endorsement, who's going to win Herman Cain supporters, of course.

Take a listen at what Herman Cain said about that.

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CAIN: One other thing. I will be making an endorsement in the near future. I will be making an endorsement. And I can tell you right now, it will not be the current occupant of the White House. That will not be my endorsement.

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TRAVIS: Now we probably already knew that he wasn't going to endorse President Obama. But let's talk about who he might potentially endorse.

I know that the Bachmann campaign and the Cain campaigns have spoken. The Bachmann campaign tells me that some of Herman Cain's supporters have already reached out to them and said, hey, we're going to support Michele Bachmann now.

But does that mean that Herman Cain will endorse her? We don't know. That's up to him.

We also know that some other candidates have had some kind things to say about Cain right after -- right after he dropped out. Rick Perry sent a message, Newt Gingrich sent a message, few other people. So, it's going to be like a sweepstakes, he's going to support.

HOLMES: Last thing, you said he wants to be a kingmaker now. But with his drop in support, does he have enough support to make a kingmaker? Can he make a difference with his supporters?

TRAVIS: He may have fewer supporters but they're loyal. I mean, the travels that I've been on for the past year, even in the past few weeks since these allegations have surfaced, people are saying, you know what? This is our guy. We don't care so much about those allegations.

Some people don't even believe them. They feel like he is the guy, they feel like he has solid business experience and that he could have been the one. They will likely stay on Cain train, as he likes to put it. And they will -- it will be hard fought for their support to switch from Cain to someone else.

HOLMES: All right. Shannon Travis, there it is, Plan B, as he calls it, TheCainSolutions.com. We will see how he continues on.

Shannon Travis, good to have you here in Atlanta with us. Thanks so much.

TRAVIS: Absolutely. HOLMES: So, Cain's decision comes less than a week after the Georgia woman by the name of Ginger White came forward saying she had a 13-year affair with the now-former presidential candidate.

Cain still says he didn't do anything wrong but here's what her attorney is saying now. And I quote, "Mr. Cain has repeatedly referred to Ms. White as a liar, as troubled, as being paid to speak out and in other disparaging terms. His Web site refers to Ms. White as a 'loser' and the others who have courageously spoken out as vile liars, evil conspirators, socialist cohorts of Obama, scum, and pathetic and shameful women. We continue to encourage Mr. Cain to retract these statements and apologize."

Coming up, more on this post-Cain political landscape. Our good friends Lenny McAllister and Maria Cardona made a stop in Atlanta this weekend. They are in studio with me.

We'll be breaking all this down who the big winner could be now that Cain is out of the race. Stick around for that.

Five minutes past the hour now.

Uncomfortable to watch -- that is what an attorney for one of Jerry Sandusky's alleged victims is saying about the former Penn State coach's lengthy interview with "The New York Times."

Our Susan Candiotti has more on the four-hour interview and what people are saying about it today.

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In an interview videotaped by "The New York Times," Jerry Sandusky not only repeats his denials of wrongdoing, he tells the paper, youngsters in his Second Mile program, quote, "might say I was a father figure" -- a father figure who stands accused of 40 counts of raping and molesting young boys.

A few weeks ago, NBC's Bob Costas asked Sandusky whether he is sexually attracted to young boys.

JERRY SANDUSKY, ALLEGED CHILD SEX ABUSER: Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?

BOB COSTAS, NBC NEWS: Yes.

SANDUSKY: Sexually attracted, you know, I enjoy young people.

CANDIOTTI: The former coach tells "The New York Times" at first he wondered what to make of the question. Then in an intriguing exchange, an uncomfortable Sandusky tries to explain his answer. Off camera, you'll hear the voice of Sandusky's lawyer prompting his client.

SANDUSKY: If I say, no, I'm not attracted to boys, that's not the truth because I'm attracted to young people, boys, girls -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but not sexually. You're attracted because you enjoy spending time.

SANDUSKY: Right. I enjoy. That's what I was trying to say.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He answered that.

SANDUSKY: I enjoy spending time with young people. I enjoy spending time with people. I mean, my two favorite groups are the elderly and the young.

CANDIOTTI: An attorney who represents victim number 6 named in the grand jury report, the boy whose mother came forward in 1998 saying Sandusky had showered with her son and hugged him naked from behind says the accused coach's latest explanations are hard to watch.

HOWARD JANET, ATTORNEY FOR ALLEGED VICTIM: His answer was really no different, frankly, than the answer that he gave before. And the sad part from his perspective, if we want to look at it from that perspective, that his lawyer had to intervene and give him some advice as how to answer that question. He won't have that luxury in a courtroom.

CANDIOTTI: Sandusky admits that after he was banned from taking young people onto Penn State's main campus, following a 2002 allegation that he raped a boy in a locker room, he still had access.

Sandusky told the paper, then-athletic director Tim Curley never took away his keys. Quote, 'I still have my keys," Sandusky said. "And I still went in there and worked out."

MARCI HAMILTON, ATTORNEY FOR ALLEGED VICTIM NO. 6: Any argument that these men now are making any of this up is really weak. And if that is all that he has in terms of his defense, he is going to have really rough going in the courts.

CANDIOTTI (on camera): Sandusky again denies that then-head coach Joe Paterno ever mentioned anything to him about the 2002 shower allegation. Sandusky faces a preliminary hearing in a couple of weeks. Among the expected witnesses -- at least one of his accusers.

Susan Candiotti, CNN, New York.

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HOLMES: Well, at eight minutes past the hour now.

Coming up: we know a number of people -- nearly 2 million in fact -- Americans will lose their unemployment benefits in January. And that impact could affect the nation's economy. Stay with us for that.

Also, coming up next, we've got another BCS mess on our hands possibly? We know LSU is going to play for the championship. But who should they play? Could the national championship be a rematch of a game we've already seen this year? That's coming up next.

Reynolds Wolf also standing by.

I know what you think about the BCS mess.

REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Guns firing. Cowboys. Got to be Oklahoma state. Alabama had their shot. It's time for Oklahoma state. My -- just my opinion.

Hey, it's also my opinion -- it is not just my opinion, it's fact. Southern California's been ravaged by some strong winds. Today it may happen again. There's potential for more tree damage, more power outings and possibly at the same time possibly some snow in the Rockies.

More in that coming up.

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HOLMES: Twelve minutes past the hour. We want to check some stories that are making news cross country.

And we start in southern California.

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HOLMES (voice-over): Five high-ranking members of the Afghan military and its security forces are at the Marine's Camp Pendleton base. They are getting up to date on Marine training techniques. U.S. military is set to pull out of Afghanistan in 2014. The Afghan brass is expected to be at Camp Pendleton for another week.

Soldiers get a rousing welcome from family and friends at Ft. Hood in Texas. When you've been gone for months at a time in a war zone, one kiss from your daughter just isn't enough.

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SOLDIER: I can have a kiss? Give me one more kiss. One more. One more. Thank you.

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HOLMES: And in a Denver shopping mall --

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SANTA CLAUS: Have you been good this year?

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HOLMES: A special Santa with the ability to speak in sign language. Where he learned how to do it? A bit special.

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SANTA CLAUS: Last year, two little boys asked me how I learned sign language. I told him Santa had two elves that were deaf and they showed Santa. You should have seen the look on their face, there was deaf elves. That was like that was my favorite moment.

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HOLMES: That has to be our special cross-country moment as well.

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HOLMES: Well, at 13 minutes past the hour -- let's say good morning to our good friend Joe Carter, HLN Sports.

BCS? Just take out the "C" a lot of people will tell you and that's what you got. We have another mess that will always be controversial.

JOE CARTER, HLN SPORTS: Always.

HOLMES: Let's start with what we know.

CARTER: What we know for certain is that LSU is without a doubt the best college team in football. They proved that again last night. I mean, this team shows that even though they don't play a good first half, they can come out in the second half and shock you.

This team this season has beaten eight ranked opponents by an average of 28 points. Last night, they beat Georgia handily, which means they win the SEC title. They won their division. They're 13-0 now and by far and away the best team in college football.

It seems like each and every week, the team gets better. I mean, watching that LSU/Alabama game a few weeks back, then you watch that Arkansas/LSU game and Georgia game last night, they just get better each and every week both offensively and defensively. Yes, without a doubt they are the number one team in the country. They are in the January 9th title game.

HOLMES: All right.

CARTER: But Oklahoma State, number three Oklahoma State sure made its case last night that they belong in the national championship game. They not only went out and beat Oklahoma, they absolutely crushed them. They beat them 44-10.

Oklahoma State's had a really good season. They've beaten five ranked teams. They have one loss this year and it came in Ames, Iowa, to an unranked Iowa State team in double overtime.

So, that's where the discussion begins. Who has the better loss? Is it Alabama losing at home to LSU in overtime? Or is it Oklahoma State losing to Iowa State in double overtime?

That's what's the matter with this system. We are now debating on who has the better loss.

HOLMES: And people need to know, the top two teams according to the BCS rankings, will get into the national championship. We get the rankings -- CARTER: We get them at 8:00 Eastern tonight. And right now, the top two teams people would assume is going to be LSU/Alabama but people don't want to see it because Alabama didn't win their division, didn't win their conference.

When you don't win your conference championship, why are you allowed to play in the national championship game? But then again, people say, well, why would you want to see a big 12 team go against a really dominant SEC game? It's not going to be a very good game.

HOLMES: The system.

CARTER: We haven't seen the game yes. That's my only argument. Let them play and let's figure it out.

HOLMES: All right. That's tonight. The controversy, as always, will continue.

Let's turn now -- we were talking about Tiger Woods wondering if he's back. He's holding on, holding his own still after the third round.

CARTER: I know today is an NFL Sunday, but you know who you are out there, it gets to be about 5:00 Eastern Time. Maybe I should flip over to golf, check in and see what Tiger's up to.

Well, we've got a good one brewing at the Chevron World Challenge. There are six players going into today that are in contention, including Tiger. He's in second place. He's one shot back of Zach Johnson.

He blew his three-shot lead yesterday basically by bogeying a bunch of par 5s. He bogeyed three of them. Zach Johnson, beautiful eagle on 18 right here. That gave him the one-shot lead. He has today a one-shot lead ahead of Tiger Woods.

But any time Tiger is in contention -- I don't know if you agree with me or not, but for me, it makes golf exciting.

HOLMES: It does. I won't even -- check the leaderboard, I don't see him on it, I turn right back to football.

CARTER: Yes, I'm the same way.

HOLMES: But good Sunday, a good sports Sunday.

CARTER: Yes, isn't it?

HOLMES: Joe Carter, good stuff. Good to see you as always, man.

We are 16 minutes past the hour now. We want to turn back to politics.

It was an announcement that didn't come as a surprise to a lot of folks yesterday.

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CAIN: I am suspending my presidential campaign.

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HOLMES: You hear some disappointment out there. But maybe there's somebody -- maybe another candidate -- who is happy to hear this news and maybe happy to get Cain supporters. We're going to get some thoughts from our political contributors Maria Cardona, Lenny McAllister.

I shouldn't call them just contributors. These are dear friends of our show here on CNN SATURDAY and SUNDAY MORNING. They are in Atlanta, in the house.

Stay with us for our conversation.

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HOLMES: Good morning, Washington, D.C. Things are just getting going in the nation's capital. A lovely picture of the White House this morning. Wonder if the president's thinking about Herman Cain this morning.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Probably not.

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CAIN: I am suspending my presidential campaign.

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HOLMES: Yes, we wonder. President Obama really watching that yesterday? Was he relieved, you think, guys, that Herman Cain is now out of the race?

Well, we'll never know. But Herman Cain, yes, a former presidential candidate, now made his announcement yesterday. The big announcement we were waiting on. He is suspending his campaign, now waiting for him to throw his support behind another candidate. He says that decision will be made in the next few days.

Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich, he's got a little something to smile about this morning. Look at this new poll number. Look at that.

He comes in at 25 percent. This is "The Des Moines Register" poll. Also has Ron Paul in second, Mitt Romney coming in third. Romney still maybe some good news for him, "Sioux City, Iowa Journal" newspaper endorsed him -- the first major paper in Iowa to pick a candidate. The Iowa caucus is just a month away.

Well, Newt Gingrich, he has continued to surge. And the latest poll numbers we have been seeing, the question now is: can he hold on? Can he turn those straw numbers as well into actual votes? Our good friends, CNN political contributor and Democratic strategist Maria Cardona, and Republican strategist Lenny McAllister, not in Chicago and D.C. where they normally are, but spending the weekend here with us.

So good to have you guys here. We'll get to Newt -- is this the last time we'll ever have to do a segment with a question about Herman Cain? Is this it?

LENNY MCALLISTER, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: As being the top person on that news cycle? Yes.

You'll hear something about him swinging some votes but by the time that comes around this percentage will be down to 3 percent, 4 percent, 5 percent. So, it's going to be a minimal amount of people going over that way.

The only way that might change, T.J., is if somebody perhaps takes part of his message, something that they thought was effective on the campaign trail -- at this point you have to ask what would that actually be. But if something like that came about, then maybe his name comes back into the mix. But otherwise, this is going to be it.

HOLMES: Last segment?

MARIA CARDONA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Yes, I think so. What's interesting is that yesterday, he tried to make it sound like he was going to continue to be part of the conversation, he wasn't going to go away. It was very Sarah Palin-like.

But the fact of the matter is that he can't command the kind of media, I believe, that Sarah Palin did, and I don't think he's going to be able to continue to be relevant.

HOLMES: What does this mean for -- we'll fine out later where Cain supporters actually go. But which candidate, Maria, was sitting back yesterday looking at that going, "Oh, yes"?

CARDONA: I think Newt Gingrich.

HOLMES: Yes?

CARDONA: Because essentially, Newt Gingrich and Cain and Bachmann and, frankly, the rest of them, they are part of this group called "the anybody but Romney." And so, we've seen that Republicans have been desperate to find the "anybody but Romney" candidate who can actually surge and stay alive. And they have not been able to find that yet.

We'll see if that -- right now that candidate is Newt Gingrich. We'll see if that continue to be the case.

HOLMES: Still time for another surge for another candidate?

MCALLISTER: There's time for another surge. I mean, Jon Huntsman's trying to get that going right now. This may be Ron Paul's moment where he may actually do something in Iowa. I'm not saying he's going to go further throughout 2012. But if you think about what's going on right now, people are looking for a conservative candidate, you are talking about a caucus dynamic. This may be a time. He's now in second place. This may be a time for him to do that.

And surprisingly, if Romney can solidify third place, maybe creep back up into second place, that has to make Newt Gingrich nervous, because if you're looking at this and you're saying Romney hasn't put a lot of resources into Iowa, they don't want him because he is not conservative enough, and after Herman Cain gets out people say, you know what? Newt does have the baggage, yes, OK, he'll win Iowa but you know what? Maybe we're too hard on Romney and now that Cain's gone, maybe they slide that way.

If Romney ends up in second place and he comes back up on those polls, it changes the dynamic completely.

CARDONA: You know what? The big challenge I think for the Republican Party as a whole is that -- we've seen this in some of the focus groups you all have reported on, there really is no enthusiasm for any of the candidates. Not for Romney, not for Gingrich. There are issues with both of those two candidates which right now I think people assume that one of those two will be the nominee.

HOLMES: Is it just a matter of time? Once they actually get to one nominee, then the party will come around?

CARDONA: Perhaps. Obviously the goal of the party is to defeat President Obama. But the fact of the matter is that right now, Newt Gingrich seems to be one with the momentum.

Well, guess what? In every single poll that's newt versus President Obama, President Obama beats him by several percentage points. Every poll where it's Romney against Obama, it's within the margin of error, but Obama still beats Romney.

So again, yes, it's still too early to tell and when they do have a nominee, then my presumption will be that the party will coalesce behind that nominee. But then, it's going to be the choice -- the choice between President Obama who is focused on creating jobs and helping the middle class and working class families --

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MCALLISTER: Now that there's an election coming up, he's focused on that.

CARDONA: And Republicans, who the only thing they want to do is protect the millionaires and billionaires and big corporations.

HOLMES: Wrap it up for me, Lenny. Wrap it up for me, Lenny.

MCALLISTER: They do not want Newt Gingrich to be this nominee. Listen, conservatives will point you back to 1980 and say, Jimmy Carter

CARDONA: Democrats?

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MCALLISTER: Jimmy Carter was asking for Ronald Reagan in 1980, give me the ex-actor, and Reagan went ahead and won 44 states. You do not want another great communicator going up against President Obama that can go head-to-head in these debates in a time where people are looking for alternatives and they are anti-establishment.

And now, President Obama is the establishment. He cannot run as the anti-establishment. That is going to be his baggage.

CARDONA: With the kind of baggage that Gingrich has and his flip-flops, bring it on.

HOLMES: All right. Lenny, Maria, good way to wrap it up.

Really, good to have you guys in town with us this weekend.

MCALLISTER: Thoroughly enjoyed it.

CARDONA: Thank you so much.

HOLMES: Good to have you. Lenny and Maria, thanks so much.

We're coming up on the bottom of the hour now.

We're not done talking politics -- trying to get Candy Crowley to come down to Atlanta to see me some time as well. Hasn't worked, but still we'll talk to her in just a second. She has some pretty big guests coming up on her show in about 30 minutes. So, stay for that.

Also, lot of people out there just don't like going through the searches at the TSA. Well now listen, there's an 84-year-old grandmother out there that says she was strip searched by a TSA agent. She was trying to get to Florida. That's what happened to her.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do I look like a terrorist? I'm going to be 85 years old and I weigh 103 pounds.

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HOLMES: She doesn't sound like much of a threat but the TSA is telling a different side of this story.

Also this morning, a Christmas tree. Simple enough, right? It looks like one. But this is not a Christmas tree. Oh, no -- that's a holiday tree, folks.

Are they taking to take the Christ out of Christmas? We're talking about it on our "Faces of Faith."

Don't go anywhere.

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HOLMES: And we're at the bottom of the hour on this CNN SUNDAY MORNING. Welcome back. I'll give you a look at some stories making headlines.

Police in riot gears sweeping into a Portland, Oregon park kicking out Occupy protesters; this happened overnight. Several people were arrested, and they had set up camps there after being kicked out of another park by police a few weeks ago.

Also, Donald Trump's plan to moderate his own presidential debate is getting the thumbs down from two Republican presidential candidates. Ron Paul has released a statement calling the late December debate a distraction and says he will not attend. Also a spokesman for Jon Huntsman says he's not taking part in the debate either.

And soldiers getting a rousing welcome at Ft. Hood, Texas. More than 500 service members seeing their families again. Many of the troops spent months in the war zone. They're among the last that come home, their tour was cut short, of course, because of the order to withdraw.

All right. Which do you go with? Do you say Merry Christmas? Or do you say Happy Holidays? Is this the season about Christ? Or is it about commerce?

Well, last week the governor of Rhode Island sparked a bit of controversy when he referred to a 17-foot spruce tree in the State House as a Holiday Tree.

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STEVE DOOCY, FOX NEWS HOST: I mean if it was a maple tree or an elm in there, maybe it's a holiday tree but it sure looks like a Christmas tree.

DOREEN COSTA, RHODE ISLAND GENERAL ASSEMBLY: Steve, if it has lights and ornaments, an angel and decorations on top, it's a Christmas tree.

DOOCY: Oh, you're right.

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HOLMES: Well, let me bring in Phil Vischer -- he's the man behind a "Veggie Tales", that's a children's DVD series. And he says there shouldn't be a Santa Christmas, then a Jesus Christmas. We have two different I'm -- you're losing me here. Explain the difference now. There's a Jesus Christmas and a Santa Christmas.

PHIL VISCHER, CREATOR, "VEGGIE TALES": Christmas is kind of a confusing holiday because it's actually two holidays from Europe put together. This is one of the things -- I produced a new film called "Why do we call it Christmas?" And the question is where do all these traditions come from, and what do they have to do with Jesus' birthday. And with Christmas trees it actually goes all the way back to northern Germany where pre-Christian tribes would decorate trees and would associate trees with pagan Gods like Odin and Thor.

Christian missionaries came in and said, wait, wait, no this is not the oak of Thor. Let's -- let's look at this fir tree. And look, it's always green, it's like everlasting life. It's related to Jesus. And so it started the tradition way back in the eighth century of associating fir trees with Jesus.

HOLMES: Ok.

VISCHER: And I think why people are getting upset right now is that when we say, ok, well, this is a religious tradition but we want to cut it off from its religious heritage. If we did that to any other people group we would kind of say, hey, that's offensive. Like if you don't celebrate Hanukkah --

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HOLMES: Yes.

VISCHER: -- but you say, hey, I want to put a menorah in my front yard because I really like menorahs but I'm not going to call it a menorah, I'm going to call it a holiday candleholder. I think your Jewish neighbors would rightfully say, hey, you are taking a symbol from our heritage and stripping it of its meaning. And I think that's why Christians are upset.

HOLMES: Ok it sounds like then you do have a problem. Do you think -- I mean we had this debate every year. And you do have a lot of people frankly who get quite upset if you call it a Christmas tree. Do you have a problem with holiday tree or should we? It's just a broad statement that is respectful to all?

VISCHER: I don't think it's respectful to all because it's trying to disconnect the origin of the tradition from the tradition. If you don't want to -- if you don't want to celebrate Christmas, don't put up a Christmas tree. If you don't want to celebrate Hanukah, don't put up a menorah.

I think it is different when you say I'm going to put up a menorah but I'm not going call it a menorah, I'm going to call it a holiday candleholder. You're -- you're -- there's a bit of disrespect in there. I think a lot of Christians just feel like the traditions of Christmas are being gradually stripped away from their Christian origins and called other things and it is fairly offensive.

And that it's why we're trying to explain this to kids where did these traditions come from and what does Santa Claus have to do with Jesus. Well it came from the tradition of St. Nicholas, who is a wonderful Catholic saint that helped children, who was the patron saint of children. And when we explain this, parents actually understand, I see, it does point back to Jesus. But there's been an effort in our culture to kind of cut those connections for fear of offending. And again, if you don't want to celebrate Christmas, don't celebrate Christmas.

HOLMES: You know what? I'm going to leave it on that note. Phil Vischer, again, he's the man behind "Veggie Tales." If you don't want to celebrate Christmas, don't celebrate Christmas. We're going to have you back on before the holiday is up. We continue this conversation. Good to see you.

VISCHER: Thank you.

HOLMES: All right, well for more articles and news that deal with faith and religion, you can go to our belief blog, cnn.com/belief.

Were 35 past the hour; Candy Crowley, "STATE OF THE UNION" coming your way in just about 25 minutes. She's talking to GOP presidential candidates Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann, as well as Senator John McCain. She's with me in just a couple of minutes.

Stay with me.

Also, Dr. Sanjay Gupta has a new show on CNN it's called "The Next List." He profiles exceptional individuals. And this week he talks to a woman who makes robots.

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HEATHER KNIGHT, SOCIAL ROBOTICIST: My name is Heather Knight and I am a social roboticist. A social roboticist is someone that makes robots that can interact with people in a human way.

When I tell people that I make robots, they're usually like, oh, wow, that's really cool. And when I tell people I make social robots, usually they're a little bit confused at first. And I found that the best way to talk about what I actually do is by example.

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HOLMES: She's telling me about this live picture we're showing you right now. And me, as a guy who's been living in Atlanta for the past several years, she still wanted to make sure I knew, T.J., this is a live shot of Atlanta. And that's right outside our front door. She's just looking out for me. And Deirdre I do appreciate you as always.

Good morning, Atlanta and all of you out there.

Atlanta is where Herman Cain got out of the race yesterday. So "Saturday Night Live" is going to be without some material so they took advantage last night.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you still deny the allegations that you had an affair with Ginger White.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's garbage. The truth is that Ginger White and I are friends. And, yes, I gave her money, because that's what friends do. Seth, you and I are friends, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh I guess.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here, take some money.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, well thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, you know that money isn't free.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know what? I'll just give it back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in fact what I want everyone to know is I love my wife. We are close to each other as any couple that I've ever known. So four days after these allegations came out, I scheduled an appointment to talk to her. Last night we had an intimate productive discussion while she glared at me and listened to Mary J Blige.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that's when you told her about the affair.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No one said nothing about an affair. Come on. I am innocent until proven guilty. That's what this country is all about. And if I can't have that, I may as well go on and move to Namibia.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you mean Libya?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I think I mean Namibia. You know, the Mo-mo Gadhafi place.

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HOLMES: Oh, Candy Crowley, no more Herman Cain to make fun of.

Let me start by saying, you told me so yesterday when we talked about Herman Cain, I said there's no way he opens a campaign office and closes it on the same day. And you told me -- hey, he's been running an unconventional campaign. He does his own thing and lookie- lookie.

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN HOST, "STATE OF THE UNION": And so he didn't do really either one.

HOLMES: Yes.

CROWLEY: He closed his campaign and opened a Web site, and you know, but look -- the bottom line is he's no longer on that stage for the debates.

HOLMES: Yes. CROWLEY: He's no longer a big factor in those Iowa caucuses. So he is our -- he's a first loss of the Republican race so far.

HOLMES: How much clamoring and who is going to be doing most of the clamoring trying to get -- even though his supporters may have been dwindling, what candidates are still going after pretty hard?

CROWLEY: Oh, all of them.

HOLMES: Yes.

CROWLEY: I mean, listen. In Iowa you want as many people as you can to get out there on caucus night so we're talking to Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul today. Both of them would dearly love to have that eight percent. It will make a difference. But I have to tell you that "The Des Moines Register" and some other polling shows that the second choice for most of Cain supporters tends to be Newt Gingrich.

So anybody can pick up maybe a couple points here or there but he seems to be the one that picks up the most.

HOLMES: But yesterday, it sounds like the race didn't change a whole lot. May have gotten a little better in the situation for Newt Gingrich, he was already surging.

CROWLEY: Yes.

HOLMES: So did -- really? It wasn't much of a game changer yesterday?

CROWLEY: You know, in terms of just the line-up of who's up and who's down, no. I mean Herman Cain, had he done this, you know, six weeks ago when he was at the top of the polls or eight weeks ago, sure.

HOLMES: Yes.

CROWLEY: But this -- this was -- the handwriting was on the wall. A lot of voters had already adjusted. He went from 31 percent support in Iowa to eight percent. Those people had already made up their minds. Uh-oh, no I'm moving to my second choice.

So no, there's not a -- not a big change in this race. That will tell you though you know while "Saturday Night Live" might miss him and all of that, I mean, the fact of the matter is to so many people early on, Herman Cain was a really compelling candidate, because he spoke to the issue most people wanted to talk about, and that was the economy. They found him likable. They found him an outsider. Everybody loves an outsider until they find out, oh, he might not know enough. I want -- I want some experience but not so much experience that they're tainted.

So you know, he was a force on the campaign trail that no one really expected. So it is minus that energy. But in real practical terms, I think you will see his supporters sort of scatter off and not make a huge difference.

HOLMES: All right and I know you're going to be talking to you said Michele Bachmann already, but Ron Paul as well. And I believe you have Senator John McCain on the show; a heck of a line up for "STATE OF THE UNION."

Candy, it's always good to see you. Thanks so much. We'll be watching at the top of the hour all right.

CROWLEY: It's nice to see you. Two days in a row.

HOLMES: You're two days in a row. We should get you every Saturday, Candy, huh?

CROWLEY: Yes, absolutely.

HOLMES: All right but she's coming your way 15 minutes from now, 9:00 Eastern Time, 6:00 Pacific; Candy Crowley and "STATE OF THE UNION."

Also coming up next -- eight years of marriage, after that you get $154 million. Yes. That young woman and her huge divorce settlement that has a lot of people talking this week; something you are talking about this morning as well. Our "Passport" is next.

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HOLMES: Well, 12 minutes off the top of the hour. I'll give you a look at some of the stories making news cross-country.

An 84-year-old woman says she was hurt and humiliated by the TSA and says she now plans to sue. Lenore Zimmerman says security screeners at JFK took her into a private room and performed a strip search Tuesday after she requested a pat-down. TSA confirms it did do a private screening but the agency said it did not do a strip search.

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LENORE ZIMMERMAN, GRANDMOTHER: I have a defibrillator so I don't go through the machines. I asked them to pat me down or use the wand. Do I look like a terrorist? I am going to be 85 years old and I weigh 103 pounds and they strip searched me.

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HOLMES: TSA did have a response saying, while we regret that the passenger feels she had an unpleasant screening experience, the TSA does not include strip searches as part of our security protocols and one was not conducted in this case.

Zimmerman though told the "new York Daily News" the TSA is lying about the strip search in order to protect itself.

Turning from that to this -- in North Carolina --

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have an issue and this is the issue -- a snake in our Christmas tree.

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HOLMES: That qualifies as an issue. I'll just put a boa -- put it on the tree, you won't even notice a thing. This is the family's Christmas tree.

That little ornament was not supposed to be there. A little girl in the house saw it. Then she told her mom about it. They shook the tree and the thing moved. They say the artificial tree has been in the garage all year. The snake appropriately named "Tinsel" is now in the woods hanging out on some real trees quite possibly.

About 10 minutes off the top of the hour. Let me bring back in Nadia Bilchik for our "Morning Passport". We have seen some pricey divorces overtime.

NADIA BILCHIK, CNN EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Yes.

HOLMES: $154 million in this one, though.

BILCHIK: Well, in this one. So Miss Tang is a very happy lady in Hong Kong this week because on Thursday she got her $154 million, which by the way, is only one-fifth of Mr. Lee's entire estate, the man she divorced. And under 55 percent of what she asked for. So there she is smiling. She's a very educated woman. She's a solicitor or a lawyer herself.

HOLMES: Looks like a young woman.

BILCHIK: And she is. She's only in her late 30s but what really happened when the marriage started imploding and why she's so happy she got the $154 million was when she got pregnant four years ago, her husband, Mr. Lee, asked her to have an abortion. She refused. She had the baby. She now has a beautiful 3-year-old daughter who her husband has only seen twice.

HOLMES: And this all came out during the --

BILCHIK: Grounds for divorce? This has all come out.

HOLMES: Oh my goodness.

BILCHIK: What's also come out is that her husband tried to hide a lot of the assets with his father who is a huge property mogul in Hong Kong. And the father himself, not a great role model, in July of this year the father had to pay his mistress many billions for her home.

Anyway, the story continues. But the reality is, this is certainly not the only high-profile divorce. I mean remember Rupert Murdoch and $1.7 billion? Michael Jordan, that was about $150 million, and then Tiger, around $100 million. But in this case, I think well deserved for somebody who has had a lot of difficulty. And the judge said, she should live in the manner to which she has become accustomed.

HOLMES: Well, she will be able to keep up with $154 million.

BILCHIK: Just the clubs alone, belonging to clubs in Hong Kong and London, she got about $6 million just for that.

HOLMES: You got stay with the clubs.

BILCHIK: And the $6 million yacht.

HOLMES: You got to have the yacht.

BILCHIK: And then the millions for the daughter.

HOLMES: Oh my goodness gracious. All right, Nadia Bilchik with our "Morning Passport". Thank you, as always.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is horrible waking up. This is hard.

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HOLMES: We go from hundreds of millions of dollars in a settlement to people looking for jobs still right now. Nearly 2 million Americans could actually lose their unemployment benefits in January. Families are struggling; Congress still trying to decide its next step.

Stay with me.

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HOLMES: "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley coming your way in just a couple of minutes. She is talking to Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann, as well as Senator John McCain.

First, the battle over the payroll tax cut still being waged on Capitol Hill but another issue, extending unemployment benefits must also be resolved before the end of the year.

Our Athena Jones takes a look.

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MARCELLO VIRGIL, UNEMPLOYED: I never thought I would be in this situation.

JONES: If Congress doesn't act, millions of people who are out of work could lose federal unemployment benefits next year. People like Marcello Virgil.

VIRGIL: If I lose my benefits it is going to be rough, you know. I have three kids to take care of here. I have five kids total. So if I don't find work soon, I have no idea what I'm going to do.

JONES: He lost his job at a hospital last year. His wife has been out of work for more than two years. Virgil found work as a landscaper over the summer but the project lasted just two months. His state unemployment benefits will run out in February.

The federal government supplements the 26 weeks of benefits provided by most states, allowing people up to 99 weeks of aid, as long as they are looking for work. The average weekly benefit is about $300. Under current law people must file for extended benefits by the end of the year. President Obama wants to push back that deadline for another year.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Congress needs to renew unemployment insurance for Americans who are still out there pounding the pavement looking for work.

JONES: Without an extension, an estimated 1.8 million people will lose their benefits in January alone and more than 5 million will lose them over the course of 2012. That could be a blow to America's economy.

TAMY LUHBY, SENIOR WRITER, CNNMONEY: Many economists say that unemployment benefits are one of the most stimulative type of government aid that you can give because the people who receive it spend it right away because it is the only money they have in many cases.

JONES: With the unemployment rate at 8.6 percent, lawmakers may be hesitant to cut off benefits.

LUHBY: The highest the unemployment rate has been when Congress has cut again benefits was 7.2 percent and that was back in 1985.

JONES: One issue Congress must tackle is how to pay the estimated $44 billion cost of an extension. Without it Virgil worries he won't be able to take care of his children.

VIRGIL: It is like a slow death. It is like cutting my wrists, bleeding slow. It's hard waking up.

JONES: The struggle has clearly taken an emotional toll.

VIRGIL: It is just hard.

JONES: Athena Jones, CNN, Washington.

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HOLMES: We're getting close to the top of the hour and "STATE OF THE UNION".

Let you know that Herman Cain says he's suspending his campaign in the presidential race -- we have seen this yesterday, waiting for the fallout from it now. His next big announcement is going to be endorsing another candidate. He says he'll make that decision in the next couple of days.

Also Newt Gingrich's campaign still gaining momentum. He's at the top of a new poll of Republican voters in Iowa. This is coming ahead of next month's caucuses. A quarter of the people answering the "Des Moines Register survey back Gingrich; Ron Paul came in second, Mitt Romney third. In October the same poll found Gingrich with seven percent support.

We're just a couple of minutes from the top of the hour. Let's say hello to Reynolds Wolf one more time looking at that forecast. Kind sir.

REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: (INAUDIBLE).

HOLMES: Wow. How's that going Reynolds?

Aloha works when you can hear the aloha. There is a little microphone, it has a little button. It is an on-off switch. It is a tricky thing sometimes and it trips him up every now and again. That's all right Reynolds. We love you.

WOLF: Forecast time. Let's show you what we have. One big story we're following today is going to be the heavy rain we are going to see in parts of not only Texas but back into parts of, say, Arkansas.

One big issue that we have is we have a frontal boundary that's going to be sitting right over parts of the natural state. With that in mind the rains are going to keep coming and coming for quite a while. The water is going to pond up in a lot of places especially near Little Rock, maybe even over into Memphis.

So just be advised, Kentucky you might be in the mix, too. Even Cape Girardeau so we might have a flooding issue not just for today but for tomorrow. Flash flooding, keep that in mind.

Another issue we're going to have, again the winds are going to be back up in parts of southern California, strong again today. Not just today but also into Monday and Tuesday. Some gusts approaching 60 miles an hour; that means more damage, also critical fire danger because very low humidity can be expected for today.

Other than that, T.J., you have a lot of delays out there again. We expect in Dallas, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Chicago and Denver. Denver the issues will be the snow and the wind. You're skiing, snow's not an issue, it's a good thing.

Let's go back to you.

HOLMES: It's not how you start, Reynolds, it is how you finish.

WOLF: It's how you finish. You got to finish up strong.

HOLMES: You finished strong, buddy.

WOLF: That's right. HOLMES: Thanks as always.

And we thank you all for being with us on this CNN SATURDAY and SUNDAY MORNING. We will see you next weekend.

Right now time for us to hand it over to Candy Crowley and "STATE OF THE UNION". It starts right about now.