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NANCY GRACE

Casey Anthony Leaves Orlando on Private Plane

Aired July 18, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Bombshell tonight. Tot mom, Casey Anthony, in hiding after walking free midnight Sunday. Flanked by SRT wearing bulletproof vests, packing semi-automatic long guns, tot mom throws out a wicked smile and trundles (ph) into an SUV convoy. After a pit stop at a lawyer`s parking deck, tot mom jets off in a private plane out of Orlando Executive Airport to the tune of nearly $50,000, tot mom`s private jet zigzagging through the skies, darting over Panama City, Houston, Texas, Prescott, Arizona, Santa Ana, then San Carlos, finally landing near Hollywood.

Tot mom in hiding at this hour, and not a word to the parents that stood by her, absorbing shocking claims of child sex abuse and even allegedly committing perjury to save tot mom. No, Hello, I love you, thanks for committing perjury, just a terse single-line text from defense attorney Jose Baez saying, quote, "She`s safe."

This as we learn tot mom uses and abuses her parents, George and Cindy, again by demanding they, quote, "be a media decoy" to help her escape Orange County jail. As defense attorney Jose Baez fields tot mom offers of up to a million dollars each, tot mom says she`s, quote, "too exhausted" to answer questions under oath in a civil case. Exhausted? Exhausted? From what, sitting on a private jet plane, sipping champagne, munching chip and dip?

As the first photo of tot mom in hiding expected to go for nearly a quarter million dollars, "Playboy" joins Vivid Net (ph) pornographers and Jerry Springer rejecting a tot mom project, as citizens continue to mourn at the site where little Caylee was dumped, dead, to decompose. Tonight, where is Lady Justice?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey Anthony getting out of jail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hold your head up high!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) where is your daughter?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was whisked away after her first taste of freedom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She walked out. She had a sign of relief in her face.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She wasn`t smiling. She wasn`t frowning. She didn`t look like she was joyful.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her departure from jail took all of 30 seconds.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was probably one of the fastest walks I`ve seen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Got into an SUV with her attorney and sped off into the night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fairly quiet until she walked out, and then there was a burst of just this cacophonic scream.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caylee! Caylee! Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Caylee! Caylee! Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caylee! Caylee! Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is Casey Anthony? That is the question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Casey Anthony`s uncle, Chuck Eddy, who lives in Ohio, tells Radaronline.com exclusively that, quote, "Casey is not staying with us."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She just went off into the darkness.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Tot mom, Casey Anthony, in hiding after walking free midnight Sunday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: I`m not going to give the media anything when I get out of here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is a free woman now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Freedom after three years behind bars.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her whereabouts are unknown.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She walked by one of the SRT sergeants. She thanked him and continued very rapidly outside.

CASEY ANTHONY: Sucks for them because I have nothing to say.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She looked to me like she might be either nervous or holding back tears. It sort of seemed like she was holding her mouth pretty still.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You saw the big crowds there. There were people yelling "Killer" as she got into the SUV.

CASEY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) are you serious?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Grass roots effort to honor little Caylee with a Caylee peace walk.

CASEY ANTHONY: Joe Schmoe walking down the block.

JOY BEHAR, HOST, "JOY BEHAR SHOW": Would you leave her with your children?

DOROTHY CLAY SIMS, ATTORNEY FOR CASEY ANTHONY: I -- I -- I liked Casey Anthony.

CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t really trust any (INAUDIBLE)

SIMS: I came to trust her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live in Orlando, bringing you the very latest. Midnight Sunday, tot mom walks free from the Orange County jail. She`s escorted by SRT, special response team, packing semi-automatic long guns, all of them wearing bulletproof vests, tot mom reportedly clenching her fists as she hears the jeers from outside as she walks out of the jail. There you see her getting into an SUV convoy with tightly aligned (ph) defense attorney Jose Baez.

They stop off at the parking deck of one of the defense lawyers, Cheney Mason, and then make a beeline to Orlando Executive Airport, where apparently, tot mom jets off in a private plane to the tune of nearly $50,000, her plane zigzagging across the skies over America, finally landing near Hollywood.

At this hour, tot mom in hiding. There you see her escape route. Tot mom in hiding -- the first shot of her in hiding, expected to go for nearly a quarter million dollars.

We are live in Orlando, taking your calls. Straight out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." Was it overkill, pardon the pun, for SRT to be wearing bulletproof vests and carrying semi-automatic long guns? This after the sheriff`s office says there have been no credible threats against tot mom, Jean.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Well, Nancy, they must have thought that it was important. It was a masterful plan. It was a plan that was coordinated by an immense amount of agencies because nobody knows where she is. But yet, they elected to go out the front door so everyone would see her. But Nancy, there`s a picture when she gets into that SUV -- it`s a still photo that shows her smiling. The first time we see a smile, she is looking at the hoards of people and cameras and photographers that were awaiting her departure.

GRACE: You know, there`s a close-up shot of that and it`s, like, an eerie, eerie, macabre smile. It was freaky. Did you see that, Jean? And it was -- it was just bizarre, the whole smile that she gave. All the people shouting, "Justice for Caylee, justice for Caylee," and she gives them that very eerie smile before taking off into the night.

CASAREZ: You know, it was a very different look. I think from my perspective, I thought that she was looking at the crowds and it brought a smile to her face.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Linda in Missouri. Hi, Linda. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thank you so much for all that you do for us. And my question is probation. I was under the understanding that she would have probation because of the check fraud. And I didn`t know how that works when you`re in jail, you know, during the time she was in. But if she is on probation, doesn`t she have to get permission from a probation officer before she leaves?

GRACE: Well, Linda in Missouri, you`re very astute. She was sentenced to one year of probation on those stolen checks that she took from her friend, Amy Huizinga, and spent on booze and push-up bras and other things. We`ve got a video of her in Target. That was on Huizinga`s checks.

But she`s not on probation. That period of time was served behind bars. I thought she`d be a year probation which specifically states she cannot leave the Orlando area. She is not on any type of probation. Because of her not guilty verdict, she basically sat behind bars on the four charges of lying to police, and the probation started running. So she is under absolutely no supervision whatsoever.

We are taking your calls. As tot mom jets into the sky, "Playboy`s" Hugh Hefner says he`s not doing a pictorial on tot mom, joining the ranks of Vivid Net pornographers and Jerry Springer, who say, No way.

But in an exclusive interview with Jose Baez, he says he`s fielding offers right now, some of them up to a million dollars, for tot mom`s first interview. Now, what is she going to do? Is she going to donate it to missing children, missing and murdered children, or is she going to live the high life, the sweet life, pursuant to the tattoo on her shoulder?

We are taking your calls. Standing by right now at Caylee`s memorial site, Robyn Walensky, WDBO. Robyn, a lot of activity there. What`s happening? Show me.

ROBYN WALENSKY, WDBO: Well, Nancy, there`s so much going on here. Let`s say that the folks that are coming out here to the scene are leaving all sorts of beautiful, beautiful flowers with little notes on them. I`m standing here in front of the beautiful cross, Caylee Marie. Someone, Nancy -- remember, we heard so much about the little Winnie-the-Pooh blanket? Well, someone today put up the little Disney Winnie-the-Pooh book here.

Someone left jellybeans. I want to read you the note, Nancy. It says, "Thinking of you, Caylee. Rest in peace, my little friend." This is all the way from Scotland.

And Nancy, I want to show you just how terrible this scene is. Walk with me, if you will, into the mud. I have boots on. You can hear -- actually hear the sloshing. Whoever left this child here, whoever dumped this body in this scene never wanted little Caylee to be found again. It is so horrible out here, so hot, so buggy, so smelly. And here in the woods, people have put all sorts of little toys and stuffed animals. It is so sad.

Her birthday would have been coming up in just a few weeks, Nancy, and that`s why you see, you know, all these little balloons, "It`s all about you," "Happy birthday, Caylee, August 9th, 2011."

GRACE: Joining me, Robyn Walensky, there at the site where Caylee`s remains were ultimately found.

We are taking your calls. To Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer on the story. Ellie, a private jet ain`t cheap, OK? Estimates of around $50,000 for that circuitous route her private plane apparently went through the night. I wonder if Baez is on the plane with her? Has he been spotted since that plane took off from Orlando Executive Airport? And what can you tell me -- who do we believe foot the bill for that private jet?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, the thing about this plane is it`s registered to a company, a real estate company, that is located in the same office building, same office park as Todd Macaluso (ph). You`ll remember that he was one of the attorneys who was shortly -- for a short time was a member of the defense team. So it`s possible this plane has some connection to Macaluso. As you stated, it took off from Orlando`s Executive Airport, eventually ended out in California.

GRACE: Near Hollywood. Tot mom, we believe, was on that plane. After a circuitous zigzag across the skies over America, tot mom lands in California. This as mourners continue to grieve at the site where Caylee`s remains found.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey Anthony is a free woman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Casey Anthony out of jail now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caylee! Caylee! Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Caylee! Caylee! Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caylee! Caylee! Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Make sure that there has been justice for Caylee.

CASEY ANTHONY: Are you kidding...

-- kidding...

-- kidding...

-- kidding me?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The manner of death in this case is homicide.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s the only question you need to answer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What amazing parent acts with complete indifference to the accidental death of their child?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) how I feel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is the question everyone who has followed her case over the past three years wants to know.

CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure you do.

CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t know!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something happened to Caylee. The longer this goes, the worse it`s going to be for everyone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More than 770,000 people are signed onto just one of many anti-Casey pages on FaceBook.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the question is, where is she?

BEHAR: Let me ask you something. Do you have children?

SIMS: Yes.

BEHAR: Would you let Casey baby-sit your kids? You say she`s innocent.

SIMS: Well, you know, my kids are older.

BEHAR: Well, let`s say they were younger. Would you?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live in Orlando, taking your calls. Tot mom jets across the skies over America, finally landing near Hollywood, 12:00 AM, midnight, on Sunday night. This as mourners continue to grieve at the spot where Caylee`s remains were dumped in a swampy area.

I want to go out, back out to Ellie Jostad. Everyone, joining us in a few moments, Mark Lippman, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony. Also joining us, Tony Zimbato (ph), who was there in the jail, embedded, when tot mom walked free.

Ellie Jostad, what is this tot mom can`t even call her parents and say, Hey, thanks for committing perjury? Thanks for letting me lie about you to the American public, saying you molested me, you forced me into oral sex and then trundled me off onto a waiting school bus, thanks for standing by me, being by me every single day of the trial? Nothing? All they get is a text from Jose Baez, a single-line text. That`s it?

JOSTAD: Right, Nancy. As far as we know, George and Cindy Anthony have had no contact with Casey since she got out of jail. You`ll remember that she refused a visit from her mom once she was acquitted. And they still haven`t seen her, only getting that text, no other contact with their daughter.

GRACE: Well, Ellie, in addition to the $50,000 price tag on that private jet to fuel it and let it zigzag across the country, landing near Hollywood, who`s paying for tot mom`s pricey duds? Isn`t that a Polo shirt she`s wearing and new jeans?

JOSTAD: Yes, it did look like she was wearing new clothes.

GRACE: And I`m not even going to bother to say that they`re tight! But go ahead.

JOSTAD: Right. Well, early on in the case, we were told that George and Cindy Anthony -- Cindy, I imagine -- was the person that was bringing clothing for Casey to wear in court. Now, later, I heard it was her attorneys that were providing clothes for her. So I couldn`t tell you who bought her that pink shirt.

GRACE: Everybody, we are taking your calls. I want to go back to Jean Casarez. Jean Casarez, the sheriff`s office has clearly said that they have no credible threats against tot mom. So why isn`t the defense team sharing any so-called credible threats with the sheriff`s office? And why is Cheney Mason saying -- her defense lawyer -- saying, OK, we`re ready, and I`m armed? Oh, now we`re safe. Cheney Mason, the lawyer that shot a bird at everybody, is saying he`s armed. OK, to me, that`s a little scary.

CASAREZ: All right. You got a lot of questions there.

GRACE: Yes, I do.

CASAREZ: First of all, the death threats, I think, increased as time went on. Originally, when I spoke with Cheney Mason, he said he hadn`t had any death threats. But as that week went on, I think they increased.

In regard to why they are not sharing with the Orange County sheriff`s office any credible death threats, I can`t answer that question. We do know that an immense amount of security, privately donated, is what we`re understanding, is actually protecting her now and will protect her. And Cheney Mason, he has a right to be armed if he wants to.

GRACE: To Alexis Tereszcuk, Radaronline.com. A lot of talk about tot mom going into rehab. Fat chance!

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: You`re right. Her attorney has said that she needs mental health care, not rehab. There were rumors, you know, she was in Arizona. That`s where Jesse James was in rehab. Tiger Woods was in rehab in Mississippi. "Rehab" is the new catch phrase for, I don`t want to face what I did, so I`m going to go to rehab and not take any responsibility for it.

GRACE: Everyone, you are seeing shots of tot mom walking free. I guess Lady Justice was on that plane, too. She`s apparently out of town.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: Caylee loved the water. Her and I used to spend a lot of time together in the pool, and I`m going to miss those days.

The greatest gift that I have ever received, and that is for Caylee Marie, that Caylee is watching over all of us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know and you know that everything you told me is a lie, correct?

CASEY ANTHONY: Honestly, I wanted (INAUDIBLE) talk to security, maybe pass around a picture of Caylee. I (INAUDIBLE) not seen my daughter in five weeks. (INAUDIBLE) because I lied.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want you to tell me how lying to us is going to help us find your daughter.

CASEY ANTHONY: It`s not going to.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Huh?

CASEY ANTHONY: Because I lied.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is your daughter in a better place?

CASEY ANTHONY: No, she`s not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who did you go to for help (INAUDIBLE) try to find her?

CASEY ANTHONY: No one.

No one.

No one.

No one.

No one.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live in Orlando, taking your calls. Straight out to Ellie Jostad. I want to go over the call to the parents, asking them to be media decoys. And I hear we`re just getting our satellite through to George and Cindy`s lawyer, Mark Lippman, as well as Tony Zimbato, the reporter embedded in the Orange County Jail that was there for the whole release.

Ellie, a media decoy? What is that? What do they want George and Cindy to do now?

JOSTAD: Right. Well, we`d heard this might be one of the strategies, you know, send a bunch of different cars out of the jail, the media wouldn`t know which one Casey Anthony was in. And Mark Lippman, George and Cindy`s attorney, says that the Baez firm actually contacted him and asked George and Cindy to participate in that, to be decoys, to throw the media off the scent.

GRACE: So Dr. Janet Taylor, M.D. and psychiatrist on the "Jeremy Kyle Show" -- Dr. Janet, Baez can call George and Cindy and ask them to be a media decoy, you know, given the remote chance that somebody might take a shot or somebody might throw an egg or a cream pie or something. They asked them to do that, but they can`t call them and let tot mom speak to them on the phone? Tot mom can`t even call and say, I love you, thank you, nothing? But they ask George and Cindy to get used and abused one more -- one last time, Mom and Dad?

DR. JANET TAYLOR, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, you know, it`s really indicative of the relationship that they have anyway, where Casey just seemingly gets whatever she wants from them and then gives them nothing. But it certainly would be a slap in the face, after all the allegations and the fact that she refused to see them, that they want her to be helped by them.

GRACE: And Jean Casarez, all Baez does is send a text? He doesn`t even call?

CASAREZ: You know, we don`t know the other side of that. There may be strategic reasons we don`t know about. But those are the facts.

GRACE: Jean, Jean, the trial is over! What possible strategic reason are you referring to?

CASAREZ: Maybe he believes it`s psychologically in her best interests to not talk to her parents. I don`t know.

GRACE: Oh!

CASAREZ: But that`s (INAUDIBLE) decision.

GRACE: Oh, so now he`s a shrink. OK. You know, they didn`t have a problem with letting Cindy get on the stand and possibly commit perjury, or claiming George was a child rapist. No problem with that. But they can`t even make a single phone call to say, I love you, thank you. Oh, no! Tot mom, with an evil grin, leaving the Orange County jail, jets off into nowhere.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The big question today, where is Casey Anthony?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ohio? You need to go back.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey Anthony`s uncle, who lives in Ohio, tells Radaronline.com, I haven`t heard from Casey and I don`t know where she is. We were shocked at the verdict.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As to the charge of first degree murder, not guilty.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Whisked out of that jail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cut-off sleeves. Very bright. And blue jeans and bright blue tennis shoes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Where is she going? Where is she now?

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: We`re all going in so many different directions. I just want to go in the right one.

CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: Well, I can`t point you in that direction when I`m literally at a standstill.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: There was this emotional explosion for the few moments she was seen.

CASEY ANTHONY: I may have been the boss walking in here, but the roles have surely changed.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. For those of you just joining us, we are live in Orlando. Tot mom in hiding at this hour. This after she leaves the Orange County Jail midnight, on Sunday, escorted by two beefy sheriffs, SRT, Special Response Team, both sporting semiautomatic long guns and bulletproof vests, wearing that pink polo pullover.

Tot mom throttles into a waiting SUV convoy, flashes a wicked grin to everybody chanting "Justice for Caylee," takes off into the night. She heads to Orlando executive airport where she hops a private jet to the tune of nearly $50,000, according to estimates, to zigzag into the night air crossing multiple cities, finally landing near Hollywood.

Oh, how fitting.

As promised, joining us right now, the NBC videographer embedded in the tot mom jail at the time she was released, Tony Zumbado, and attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, Mark Lippman.

First to you, Tony, thank you for being with us. Take it from the top, what did you observe?

TONY ZUMBADO, VIDEOGRAPHER, NBC, EMBEDDED JOURNALIST DURING TOT MOM JAIL RELEASE: Well, as she came out, obviously I was hoping that she would be the first one out the door. But that didn`t happen. So I got to see Mr. Baez`s face first. And then seconds later, she moved to the left of him and I was able to see the first seconds of her facial expression as she was freed.

And I thought I saw a little eyes that were kind of teary eyed, if you will, and I saw a small smile, a sign of relief coming out. And they were in a fast pace for the door. And as she walked by the SRT sergeant, she said thank you to him and I later found out that she recognized him from being the SRT sergeant that had escorted her to court for the last month that she`s been going to court.

GRACE: Joining me, Tony Zumbado, videographer embedded in the Orange County jail at time of tot mom`s release. Was the hour already planned all along to be around midnight on Sunday?

ZUMBADO: It was going to be midnight. It was going to be midnight, hell or high water, but in different scenarios. She was going to get out of the Orange County Jail at midnight, but there was three different scenarios according to how the media was going to hype the story and how the folks outside were going to react to it.

So the intel from the SRT team was within the folks that were out there. They had people out there. They had people in the media. And they had people inside so they were all exchanging information to see what scenario was going to take place.

We were as embedded journalists very surprised that they even had a scenario of her walking out the door. But I had been told by the Chief Kidwell that he was going to do that. That was his intentions that he was going to let her walk out just like any other inmate walks out of his jail.

And that the only thing was that he was going to be heavily protected and that this was an unusual release, but she was going to go through the front door, like everybody else. But then just in case something could occur, he had a second and third scenario.

GRACE: Well, what were those scenarios or do you know, Tony?

ZUMBADO: Well, they were given to us, but they didn`t mean anything at the time. And they were scenarios that if something were to happen with the crowd outside, then scenario number two was going to take place and they didn`t discuss it because they didn`t want us to react to it.

And then if something were to happen with scenario number two, it was going to be number three and basically that number three, they said, you guys are basically out of the plan.

So there was -- there was two chances within three scenarios that we were going to get some sort of video and still shot of her. Scenario number three was basically sorry, we got to go.

GRACE: Yes. I guess that third scenario was when it goes Def-Con 4 and basically all hell breaks loose.

ZUMBADO: That`s correct.

GRACE: So I think that was scenario number three. Did she exhibit any emotion? I understand when she -- the doors opened and she heard all the citizens chanting "Justice for Caylee," she clinched her fists and kept walking?

ZUMBADO: Yes, if you look at the video, and I don`t know if you are rolling on the video right now.

GRACE: Yes.

ZUMBADO: There is a moment, if you slow it down, where her right fist just clinches. You can see where she just fist, because this is the first time that she got close to the exit door and she heard the yelling of the crowd. And, you know, me being inside, and obviously expecting her coming out and expecting the yell, it was pretty emotional and pretty tough to hear the stuff that was being said. It was not nice words. So --

GRACE: Well, was any of it false?

ZUMBADO: Well, you know, that`s not -- you know, I`m not the one to ask that to be honest with you. That was their moment, that was the audience, if you will, the citizens that were there, that was their moment.

GRACE: Yes.

ZUMBADO: That was their heart speaking, you know. Thank God we`re in America and we can say what we want.

GRACE: With us, Tony Zumbado, embedded videographer there in the Orange County Jail.

With me right now, a special guest, Mark Lippman. Well, he`s been to hell and back during all of this because he represents George and Cindy Anthony. I understand they tried to go to Home Depot or Lowe`s or something this weekend and got followed and photographed and asked all about Caylee and tot mom. You know I don`t know how much more these people can take.

But, Mark Lippman, how did they react to tot mom not even calling and saying, mother, I love you, I wish I could be with you right now, but I don`t -- I don`t want to put you in jeopardy, I miss you, thanks for committing perjury.

To George, thank you for let me use you as the villain, nothing, hello, good-bye, kiss my foot, nothing but a text from Baez?

MARK LIPPMAN, ATTORNEY FOR GEORGE AND CINDY ANTHONY, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I`ve since spoken to Baez and he`s reiterated that she`s safe and I can tell you that, one, my client didn`t perjure herself and, two, just to reiterate that whole thing, but other than that, you know, they`re going through their life hoping -- they`ll never be private citizens again, but they want to start focusing on their foundation and they`re looking forward to that and hopefully that will take place sooner versus later.

GRACE: Mark, are they going to live on Suburban Drive forever or are they going to hightail it out of there?

LIPPMAN: You know, that`s their home. Certainly at the time they want to speak about their plans, they will. But right now for all intents and purposes, that`s where they`re staying.

GRACE: I notice that you artfully dodged my question about they`re reaction to tot mom not even speaking to them after she`s released. Nothing.

LIPPMAN: Well, I can tell you --

GRACE: It`s not like there is any jail cameras watching their conversations. The trial is over. There is nothing to be held against her in a criminal sense. Why not speak to her mother and father? Is she that cold?

LIPPMAN: You know, until we actually hear from her, I won`t certainly say she`s cold, warm or anything else. I do know Mr. Baez is very, very concerned about her safety. We had a very in depth conversation about that and other things. And it is such time as that safety concern starts to wane a little bit, hopefully there will be a communication between whoever wants to talk to her.

GRACE: OK, Mark, I know that Lee is planning to get married. God bless him. I hope it`s a beautiful wedding and that he finds happiness. Do you think tot mom is going to come to the wedding?

LIPPMAN: You know I`m not that close with the family where I know what the wedding plans are. Certainly if that`s their intent, they`ll talk about it. But I maintain a very strict professional level with my clients and I try not to get myself involved with their personal details.

GRACE: Mark, Mark, do you believe that tot mom wanted George and Cindy to be media decoys for her as she left the jail?

LIPPMAN: You know, I had a conversation with Jose before she was let out of jail. And I think he was very concerned and very, very nervous about things going on and he really wanted to do something just, an additional level of security.

GRACE: Oh, so in case somebody takes a shot, they`re taking it at George and Cindy instead of tot mom?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She killed an innocent angel baby just so she could go out and be a party girl. I just want to slap her.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She was released from jail Sunday morning.

CASEY ANTHONY: Life is not fair. People are always going to be nice. If you don`t have anything positive to say, you need to shut up.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ZUMBADO: Walked out and when she walked out, she had a sign of relief in her face. Kind of glad to be out.

GRACE: You`re not going to get a fair verdict every single time you go to a jury.

JOSE BAEZ, CASEY ANTHONY`S ATTORNEY: Ask you all, individually, and collectively.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not guilty.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We the jury find the defendant not guilty. Not guilty.

ZUMBADO: As she walked by, one of the SRT team sergeants, she thanked him and continued very rapidly outside.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: An American tragedy.

CROWD: Caylee, Caylee, Caylee!

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Where did she go?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: So where is Casey Anthony? She is a free woman now. Her parents may not even know where she is.

CINDY ANTHONY: She never had control of Casey.

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S FATHER: Didn`t want to believe back then that my daughter could be capable of taking the life of her daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey Anthony, seen footage of what looked to be a woman. Cindy asking Baez via text, is that Casey? And all Baez said is, she is safe?

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Tot mom jetting through the skies on a ritzy and expensive private plane after she leaves the Orange County Jail midnight on Sunday.

We are taking your calls. Unleash the lawyers. Alex Sanchez, defense attorney, New York, Bradford Cohen, defense attorney, Miami. Also with us, former police commander, Woodrow Tripp.

First to you, Alex Sanchez, you know, the other person victimized in this case, Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez, the real Zenaida, who now lost her job, has been heckled, suspected of murder, after tot mom names her as Caylee`s kidnapper and possible killer.

Now tot mom actually says, in legal filings, she`s, quote, "too exhausted to testify under oath in the civil case." She was set for depo tomorrow morning. Well, that ain`t happening, Sanchez, as you have guessed. She says she`s too exhausted, from what? Sipping champagne and having chip and dip on a private plane?

What is she exhausted from?

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think she`s exhausted from spending three years in jail and being on trial, facing a murder charge. And I think it is not unreasonable for her lawyer to request an adjournment at this point so she can collect her thoughts and prepare her defense in this case. That`s not really unreasonable.

GRACE: Bradford Cohen, she`s had three years to collect her thoughts.

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BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, three years in prison, that`s not collecting your thoughts on the lawsuit that is happening. You have three years in prison where your life is at stake, you`re thinking about your case, you`re talking to your lawyer every day, you just get released the day before.

I honestly don`t think it`s that unreasonable to ask for an adjournment for 30 days or 15 or 30 or 45 days to, at least, gather yourself and acclimate.

GRACE: Really? Try October. Try October while tot mom acclimates.

COHEN: That`s not -- that`s not outrageous. You can agree that it`s not outrageous when you`re getting out of jail after three years and you just finished a trial where your life was at stake.

GRACE: No, what I think is outrageous is, number one, a killer walking free, and, number two, placing the blame on an entirely innocent woman who`s never even met tot mom who`s out there trying to make a living and now people spit at her, jeer at her, she loses a job, she loses a house, because of tot mom. And now --

COHEN: What about everybody else that`s named Zenaida Gonzalez?

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COHEN: What about everybody else that is named Zenaida Gonzalez? Or all of them, should all of them file a lawsuit?

GRACE: You know what, Bradford? You know what, Bradford? Maybe they can use you on tot mom`s civil team? But right now, we`re talking about the Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez that was named, that signed into Saw Grass Apartments, is my understanding. There is only one.

But if you know the facts better than me, bring it on, friend.

Out to Woody Tripp, former police commander, she`s talking about around the clock surveillance. That would be extremely expensive. And also do you see her fading away from the public eye? You protected many a witness, I know for a fact you have, many a person involved in felony trials. How does this go down?

WOODY TRIPP, FORMER POLICE COMMANDER, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Well, Nancy, yes. To answer your first question, extremely expensive as it relates to people driving, the security and those type of things. Outrageously expensive.

Your second question, yes, sometimes you can hide in plain view. And I say that in the sense of people recognize you based upon your surroundings. When you`re not in those specific surroundings that people are used to seeing you in, then they don`t associate you.

Point in fact, Manhattan, walking down the street at 4:00 in the afternoon, probably unrecognizable. So, again, it depends upon the setting, where she`s so-called hiding and in fact in plain view. So it can be done.

GRACE: Well, Hollywood is a far cry from Orlando. That`s true on two separate sides of the country. We know her private jet apparently dropped off around San Carlos, California.

I want to go back to Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. We understand the first shot of tot mom in hiding could net up to $250,000, that`s a quarter of a million dollars.

I`m sure the tabs are frothing at the mouth to try to get that shot. So is it possible, Alexis, that she would set up the shot and pocket the money?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Absolutely. You`re absolutely right. This would be something that would be so easy to do. You work with one photographer, you say I`m going to be stepping outside at the 7-Eleven at 2:00 in the afternoon and it is done, it`s so easy.

People do it all the time now so that they can have the money. It`s not a game. They just do it and it`s done and they profit completely. Nobody else does.

GRACE: You know, Alexis, I`m glad you told me that I always wondered, you know, when I take the children to play at a playground or a park, you know, I look like, well, H-E-L-L, I mean I`m out there playing, I`ve got on play clothes, but when I see these Hollywood moms that look like they just came out of the salon with an hour and a half of hair and makeup and they`re very delicately pushing somebody on a swing.

So those shots are all set up, right?

TERESZCUK: Not all of them, no. I mean some people really do want to just be in a public park with their kids even though they are the most famous mother in America.

GRACE: With full hair and makeup and eyelashes and eyeliner? OK, if you say so, Alexis, whatever. To Robin --

Go ahead, Alexis.

TERESZCUK: I was just going to say, you`re right. There are so many celebrities that do have partnerships with photographers and they do set up pictures all the time.

GRACE: Back to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer, speaking of a quarter of a million dollars for a shot of tot mom in hiding, what offers do we know of so far? I mean Baez gives an exclusive interview and states he`s fielding offers. But he wants it to be in a dignified setting. A dignified setting for the million-dollar offer for tot mom to tell her pack of lies.

OK, how is that going to be dignified and who`s made the last offer? Somebody named Al Taylor?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Al Taylor, yes.

GRACE: What about that, Elle?

JOSTAD: Well, Al Taylor is a freelance producer. He claimed that he had been working with Jerry Springer show, Jerry Springer`s show said this guy hasn`t worked with us for a long time. He`s not authorized to speak with us. We don`t want to do an interview with Casey Anthony.

So Taylor says he`s going to set up his own independent production company and do the interview anyway.

GRACE: OK. And what became of that, Ellie?

JOSTAD: Well, we don`t know. I mean extensively he could still make it happen. Baez, however, said that he didn`t want to work with this guy. They planned to meet. But he said this wasn`t dignified it coming out in the media.

GRACE: Tot mom escaping the Orange County Jail midnight Sunday, jetting off into the night in a private plane.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey Anthony is out of jail. So where is she?

CINDY ANTHONY: Do you think she could be out of the country or anywhere?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Where did she go? Did she hop on a plane or not?

CINDY ANTHONY: Is leading her to a place.

BAEZ: She said to me, Jose, I`m innocent. I`m going to walk out of this place with my head high.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The crime has been committed and someone should pay for it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Me, her and the family in a beautiful home.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Will she alter her appearance? Will she cash in on the publicity from this case and tell her story?

CINDY ANTHONY: I just want to go home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Somebody else will take care of it in the end.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. We are live and taking your calls out of Orlando. But I want to go back to Robyn Walensky, WDBO. She`s joining us where it all started. Where Caylee`s remains were found rotting, animals having gnawed and displaced her tiny bones.

Robyn Walensky, what`s happening?

ROBYN WALENSKY, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: Nancy, this is one of the saddest places on earth. You know I`ve been to a lot of crime scenes covering crime in the last 20 years, but this is it. Whoever put the body here, triple-bag little Caylee just down the block from the Anthony home, never wanted her to be found.

I want to just read very quickly especially to your viewers, Nancy, who are parents and grandparents. There`s a little postcard here from Chicago. And it`s written by a little boy by the name of Jake. And he says sorry, you won`t be able to see this. And what he means is all these happy birthday balloons.

See this sign, somebody left this. "Justice has failed but judgment remains." And you know what, Nancy? Little Caylee won`t be able to see it, but you know what, the world is here to see it. She was so loved. So loved, Nancy. It is so sad here.

GRACE: Robyn Walensky joining us from WDBO. As always accurate reporting except for one major fact, Robyn, and to Jake in Chicago. She sees.

Let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant Allen Bevington, 22, Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania, killed Iraq. Awarded Bronze Star, Purple Heart, National Defense. Loved fishing, animals, dreamed of being a vet. A fishing access on Beaver River dedicated in his honor. Leaves behind grieving parents Beverly and Frank, brothers Charles and Robert.

Allen Bevington, American hero.

Thank you to our guests but especially to you for being with us. And get well tonight to Caroll Thornsberry.

Caroll, we love your son and you. Please stay strong.

Everyone, as tot mom jets off into the night, we will not forget Caylee. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.

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