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NANCY GRACE

Work Records Contradict Cindy`s Testimony

Aired July 1, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the case of 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminate when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee. A utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair, the killer duct- taping, placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple-bagging little Caylee like she`s trash.

The murder trial of tot mom Casey Anthony under way. Tot mom`s lawyer tells a stunned courtroom she has nothing to do with Caylee`s death, but that her own father, ex-cop George Anthony, shows up with Caylee`s dead body, then George hides it, leaving leaves it to rot. Tot mom also claims father George and brother Lee both sexually molest her.

After 13 days of testimony, the defense rest, but without tot Mom. That`s right, tot mom refusing to take the stand, afraid of squaring off on cross-exam against veteran prosecutors. It`s just not the same as a 2- year-old little girl, is it, now?

Bombshell tonight. Is grandmother Cindy looking at 15 years behind bars on a perjury charge? As we predicted here, tot mom sets up her own mother for perjury. And in the last hours, Cindy`s work computer reveals she absolutely lied under oath. Cindy was at work when the deadly computer searches were made. It had to be tot mom. And we learn the "neck breaking" search was intentionally typed in letter by letter, not some random pop-up, courtesy tot mom.

And those frantic phone calls Cindy claims she made to George about the pool ladder up and attached the morning Caylee disappears? Those calls never happened! And we uncover another reason tot mom afraid to take the stand. The state ready to pounce, to show literally hundreds of checks -- not hundreds of dollars -- hundreds of checks tot mom stole from her own mother!

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY, CHILD: My name is Casey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you think?

CASEY ANTHONY: Happy birthday. My name`s Casey.

JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, FLORIDA CIRCUIT COURT: Real problems.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We found a human skull.

PERRY: Imaginary problems.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It did look like a human skull to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To not open the head I think is a failure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Opening the skull is not required.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shoddy autopsy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How to make chloroform.

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: I did Google search.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you home?

CINDY ANTHONY: If those computer entries were made, then I made them. I was home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In reference to those (INAUDIBLE) in the unallocated, deleted Firefox history or on the entire hard drive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The young lady has got some criminal past.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you believe that George Anthony molested Casey Anthony?

CASEY ANTHONY: I can answer that one.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. No. No. No, I don`t.

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY`S FATHER: I would never do anything to harm my daughter in that way.

CASEY ANTHONY: My name is Casey.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Is grandmother Cindy looking at 15 years behind bars on perjury? As we predicted here, tot mom sets up her own mother for perjury charges. And in the last hours, Cindy`s work computer reveals she absolutely lied under oath. Cindy was definitely at work when those deadly computer searches were made. It had to be tot mom!

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does it show the user was at a workstation on March 17th of 2008 between 1:30 and 2:00 PM?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you home on March 17th of 2008 between 1:43 and 1:55 PM?

CINDY ANTHONY: I was home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do the business records of Gentiva also show that user "CMAnthon" was entering information on March 21, 2008, between 2:00 and 3:00 PM?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that`s correct.

CINDY ANTHONY: I know I took some hours off.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Even though your work records established that you were working on March 21st of 2008, you were home between 2:16 and 2:28 PM?

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s possible. I mean...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you or weren`t you?

CINDY ANTHONY: I can`t tell exactly what time I went home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you on that Web site 84 times?

CINDY ANTHONY: I was on it several times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you on that Web site 84 times?

CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t know. I didn`t do 84 searches of anything, but I don`t know what my computer does while it`s running.

I did go home early a couple days.

Someone just said that Caylee was dead this morning, that she drowned in the pool. That`s the newest story out there.

CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: Surprise, surprise.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live outside the Orlando courthouse, bringing you the latest at the end of the courthouse day, tot mom, Casey Anthony, on trial for the alleged murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee.

Tonight, is grandmother Cindy Anthony looking at 15 years behind bars on a perjury charge? Now, listen, all of you mothers and grandmothers out there, I don`t know if you feel like me, but if my little girl were facing the Florida death penalty, I would roll this sleeve up right here and say, Here, put the needle right here. I understand what Cindy`s doing. What I don`t understand is why tot mom would allow her defense team to set her own mother up for perjury!

Jean Casarez, what did we learn in court?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Nancy, we learned this morning -- Jose Baez said in open court to Judge Belvin Perry that he knew what Cindy Anthony was going to testify to in regard to those computer searches. Well, the jury learned this afternoon through computer records from her former employer that not only was she at work on March 17th and March 21st, 2008, but during those hours and minutes of computer searches for chloroform, she was changing patient records during the course of her work in Winter Park, Florida.

GRACE: OK, Jean, how can they tell that?

CASAREZ: Well, this is a major employer, Gentiva. Not only that, it is a home health care agency. And they maintain patient records because it is a medical issue that they may need those records or need them for any other purpose. And so...

GRACE: OK, wait a minute. Wait a minute.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Hold on, Jean. Gentiva -- big, huge, corporation all across the country. I`m sure they`re on NASDAQ. Who is Gentiva, Ellie Jostad? That`s who Cindy worked for, right?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. And they had their compliance officer, their general counsel on the stand today. He explained that they are under all kinds of regulations. They are a publicly traded company. They also deal with Medicaid, so they`re subject to all kinds of privacy laws, federal regulations about patient privacy. So they run a tight ship as far as those records go.

GRACE: And the testimony Jean is telling us about shows what, Ellie?

JOSTAD: Well, what it shows, Nancy, is that not only was Cindy Anthony at work, or a person using her login at work, at her computer terminal that entire week, in addition, they went and broke down the activity she was doing. They explained how if she`s in -- if somebody`s in, altering, changing patient records, every time they hit return, that shows up as computer activity. So they show that there was activity under Cindy`s login at her computer at work during all those times she claimed there were computer searches being made by her on the home computer.

GRACE: Yes. And these are her exact words. Cindy Anthony -- "Were you home or not" is the question. I`m reading from her direct testimony. "Were you home March 17, 2008, between 1:43 and 1:55 PM?" Her answer, "If those computer entries were made, then I made them. I was at home. I know I took some hours off. During that week was Casey`s birthday and my anniversary. I did go home early a couple of days." Repeat, "If those computer entries were made, then I made them. I was home."

Thanks, tot mom! Thanks. You set up your own mother for perjury charges.

But in a bigger scheme, how does this reflect on the rest of the defense`s case? We are live here, outside the Orlando courthouse, bringing you the latest at the end of the courthouse day.

And the state has made a strike back at the defense, after the defense case, a 13-day defense in which every member of the Anthony family gets up on the stand. Together, they were called 19 times to the stand. The defense used the Anthony family to cover for tot mom. But this time, it didn`t work.

We are taking your calls. To Terry in Florida. Hi, Terry. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do have a great question. By the way, I love your children`s pictures! Keep them coming!

GRACE: Thank you.

WILLIAMS: My question is, after I saw a couple things today, certainly, Cindy -- it`s proven that she lied on the stand. George lied on the stand, although the public does not know that. The defense had laid out that Casey is a liar. Now, based on the fact she is a seed from liars, how will that affect the defense`s case? I know that several analysts say...

GRACE: Are you trying to say the acorn doesn`t fall far -- the apple doesn`t fall far from the tree? Is that what you`re saying?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I am.

GRACE: OK. To Wendy Walsh, psychologist and expert at Momlogic.com. I don`t know if it`s going to affect the jury or not. I don`t think that lying is a genetic code or something that`s hereditary. So I don`t think that that`s going to amount to anything.

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: No, I would call this a learned behavior, for sure. And who cares where it came from? She`s the one who`s been lying in court the most to try to defend herself. But Nancy, we got to remember that all the defense is trying to do at this stage is create some kind of empathy in the jury so they`ll feel a little sorry for her and not put her to the death. That`s all this is, a bunch of red flags.

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Back to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session," in court today. So back to what they proved. All of this is the state strikes back against the defense case. They brought in the record keeper from Gentiva. And they were very detailed computer records. And we learned during those hours Cindy claimed she`s at home looking for "neck breaking" and how to make chloroform, in fact, she`s updating patient files at work for hours on end. How many hours did she work that day, Jean?

CASAREZ: Nancy, one day, March 17th, she was in at 7:00, she was out at 6:00. And on the 21st, she worked nine hours. She testified she worked long days, and she surely did.

GRACE: And you`re telling me, Jean, that every time you hit return -- or I guess that`s enter on a computer -- it shows that you`re on line and it shows you`re active on your computer every time you hit enter or return?

CASAREZ: That`s right because you`re updating your patient files.

GRACE: OK.

CASAREZ: And that was her duty. That`s what she did. She was a manager in the office to do that.

GRACE: Joining us right now, Been Levitan. He is a telecommunications expert, tonight joining us from the Virgin Islands. Ben, thank you for being with us. Explain to us in a nutshell -- we`re Luddites -- explain to us how this computer forensic expert got his facts.

BEN LEVITAN, TELECOMMUNICATIONS EXPERT (via telephone): Look, Nancy, with all the litigation that goes along with hospitals and wrongful deaths and mistakes, everything is recorded. So every time you create an action on the computer, there`s actually a message that goes out to this administrator, the compliance officer, who takes that.

I`ve been involved in a number of medical lawsuits, and the amount of data up there is incredible. They can tell everybody who touched that patient, everybody who took their temperature.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PERRY: Trials are supposed to be about a search for the truth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything that`s coming out of your mouth is a lie.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... give you a hypothetical, that the mother killed the child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your family`s going to suffer for this.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Seeing what my wife and my son went through.

CINDY ANTHONY: Caylee`s been gone for 31 days!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is she gone? Why?

CASEY ANTHONY: I just want Caylee back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me just ask you a question.

PERRY: It is your decision not to testify?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re pretty confident that you may be out of the woods.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you can never bring Caylee back.

WILLIAMS: I would call that more magical thinking.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ashes to ashes and dust to dust.

KRYSTAL HOLLOWAY, CLAIMS AFFAIR WITH GEORGE ANTHONY: I did have an affair with George.

CASEY ANTHONY: My family`s broken. We want to have that fixed.

HOLLOWAY: What he told me was it was an accident that snowballed.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Casey was the last one that I saw with Caylee.

CASEY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) none of this would have ever happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One and one adds up to two.

JOSE BAEZ, CASEY`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I`ll ask you all to render a verdict of not guilty.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. We are live outside the Orange County, Orlando, courthouse, bringing you the latest at the end of the courthouse day, tot mom, Casey Anthony on trial for the murder of her 2-year-old little girl. Today, the state strikes back after the defense`s 13-day case.

To Jean Casarez. What else did we see in court today, Jean?

CASAREZ: Nancy, the prosecution was very strategic with another computer expert to be able to bring in searches for "neck breaking" and deleted files, that "neck breaking" had not (SIC) been deleted and it was original search. This is going to be part of the premeditation theme we see in closing arguments.

GRACE: So you`re telling me that the search for "neck breaking" was not as Cindy portrayed under oath to the jury, that she was looking up something else and a pop-up came up -- and she only remembers this three years later, I can`t remember pop-ups that came up yesterday -- about...

CASAREZ: That`s exactly right.

GRACE: ... a neck breaking skateboarding feat. And this expert says what, Jean?

CASAREZ: The expert says that "neck breaking" was not only deleted, but it was an original search. It was not part of a pop-up.

GRACE: So when you say part of an original search, you mean the letters N-E-C-K B-R-E-A-K-I-N-G were intentionally typed in. "Neck breaking" was intentionally typed in. It was not some related pop-up that came up.

CASAREZ: It was an affirmative act that someone intentionally did, you`re right.

GRACE: And in fact, it was a search, an intentional search typed out letter-by-letter for Google, for a Google search on "neck breaking." Is that correct, Jean?

CASAREZ: Close in time to "how to make chloroform."

GRACE: OK. Back to Ben Levitan. Ben, break it down for us. You`re the telecommunications expert. How can they look at your computer and tell that somebody typed in the letters for, basically, how do you break somebody`s neck, "neck breaking" as opposed to it popping up on a pop-up?

LEVITAN: Well, Nancy, you know when you go into a search engine or fill out a form on the Internet, what actually happens is when you push submit or search, it creates a command line string, a whole list of characters together that would tell you that you have -- you know, to do your request. If you`re looking for a summer vacation, you might say "I want to go to Hawaii," and so the string would say, you know, possibly "Send this to Google.com, put in the words Hawaii and vacation."

So an original search means that Cindy was absolutely on a search page. She typed in "neck breaking.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PERRY: How much time do you need, Mr. Baez?

We will be back here tomorrow and back here Sunday and Monday.

BAEZ: However many days it takes.

PERRY: Be in recess indefinitely.

BAEZ: That doesn`t concern us in the least bit. Again, this is stretching...

PERRY: The bottom line, Mr. Baez, we will be here until we finish this case.

BAEZ: As long as it takes.

JEFF ASHTON, PROSECUTOR: If we can stop this and maybe just get to some actual work, Judge, I`m ready to go.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live here outside the Orlando courthouse, bringing the latest in the trial of tot mom, Casey Anthony, on trial for the alleged murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee, Caylee`s remains found 15 houses -- just 15 houses from the Anthony home itself.

Can you imagine tot mom putting her head on a pillow every night, knowing her little girl was 15 houses away, inside three plastic trash bags, laying in standing water after Tropical Storm Fay, her body decomposing in the muck in a makeshift pet cemetery turned dump? That`s what the state`s alleging.

And today, the state strikes back at the defense. After a 13-day defense case, the state comes and hits a home run with evidence that they say proves tot mom`s own mother, Cindy Anthony, takes the stand and lies to save her daughter from the Florida death penalty.

And it`s not only that, Matt Zarrell. It`s not only that Cindy says - - and I`ve got it -- I`ve got the quote right here. "If those searches were made, then I made them. I was at home." Well, not according to Gentiva, Cindy`s employer.

It`s not just that, but other evidence came in about phone records. When Cindy says under oath she calls George Anthony, that that -- she saw the pool ladder attached and the gate door open, she was so upset, the day Caylee goes missing, leading the jury to think Caylee got into the pool, that she called George frantically. Those don`t -- they didn`t ever happen, Matt!

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: No, it didn`t, Nancy. You`re right. We`re still waiting for that evidence of accidental drowning at this point because the state called Yuri Melich as one of their final witnesses, and Yuri Melich went through the phone records, the cell phone records and home phone records of George and Cindy Anthony and showed that on the week of June 16th, the week they claim Caylee accidentally drowned in the pool, there was no phone call between Cindy and George talking about the ladder.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY: I would lie, I would steal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello? That`s -- we`ve known this all along.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe she`s lying about all those...

CINDY ANTHONY: If those computer entries were made...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... sinister Internet searches for chloroform.

CINDY ANTHONY: ... then I made them. I was home.

I`ll do whatever (INAUDIBLE) takes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PERRY: Is it your decision?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

PERRY: Not to testify?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You went and got a gun?

GEORGE ANTHONY: I need to have something inside me get through this!

BAEZ: You believed Caylee was still alive.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you related what the media was suggesting to your daughter...

CINDY ANTHONY: Someone just said that Caylee was dead this morning, that she drowned in the pool.

GEORGE ANTHONY: I need to get through this!

CINDY ANTHONY: That`s the latest story out there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her response to that was...

CASEY ANTHONY: Surprise, surprise.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Surprise, surprise.

BAEZ: Do you recall several years back, when there were -- there was an incident involving your son, Lee...

CASEY ANTHONY: I`m just as much of a victim as the rest of you.

BAEZ: ... going into Casey`s room at night?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Objection.

CINDY ANTHONY: No.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Our home was turned upside-down.

CASEY ANTHONY: Surprise, surprise.

BAEZ: Your Honor, the defense rests.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. We are live outside the Orlando courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial of tot mom, Casey Anthony, on trial for the alleged murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee.

And what a day in the courtroom it was! We are taking your calls. Unleash the lawyers. To Richard Herman, defense attorney, Las Vegas, and Daniel Horowitz, defense attorney, San Francisco.

Daniel Horowitz, we`re talking about Cindy Anthony on the stand. And I will never forget watching her literally bent over double, crying on the stand over Caylee. And then we see it`s true, there`s nothing as strong as a mother`s love because Cindy Anthony, according to her testimony -- and I`ve got it right here. Let me reach over and grab it. "If those searches were made, then I made them," on how to make chloroform and neck breaking and ruptured spleen. "I was home."

OK, Daniel Horowitz, what about it?

DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s perjury. She lied. There`s no question about it. It doesn`t matter whether she confused the day that the search took place. She knows whether she searched for chloroform. She`s a nurse, right? She knows that chlorophyll is something that`s in every plant and it`s harmless. It would not have poisoned her dogs.

You know, her desperation to help her daughter may have sealed her daughter`s fate at penalty phase because no one is going to pity this mother when this mother says, Please don`t take my daughter`s life. She`s given that away.

GRACE: What about it, Richard Herman?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, Nancy, perjury is a specific intent crime. And if it was just a mistake on dates or times, they cannot convict her on perjury. But let`s get back to the crux of the case, Nancy. Please...

GRACE: Wait! Wait! Wait! Wait! Wait!

HERMAN: ... Liz, put Nancy up.

GRACE: Wait! Wait! No! No!

HERMAN: I got to ask you something!

GRACE: You answer...

HERMAN: I got to ask you something!

GRACE: ... this question first. Don`t make me cut your mike.

HERMAN: Yes.

GRACE: March 17, 2008, between 1:43 and 1:55 PM -- they ask her, March 17, 2008, between 1:43 and 1:55 PM, they ask her. It`s Jose Baez and tot mom setting her up for a perjury charge! They couldn`t have been more specific with the time and the date.

Look. I would do the same thing. If I were on a jury, I wouldn`t vote Cindy Anthony guilty of perjury. I would give her a moral acquittal because I understand what she did. But that doesn`t mean the state`s not going to charge her. They couldn`t have been more specific in this question, Richard Herman!

HERMAN: Well, no one knows what they were doing three years ago on these specific dates or times.

GRACE: Well, then why...

HERMAN: She`s missing (ph).

GRACE: ... did she say that?

HERMAN: The best of her recollection. Of course, she`s trying to help her daughter. But let me ask you, isn`t it true, Ms. Grace, please, that there was no trauma in the state`s medical examiner report, no trauma to the neck bones? And in fact, the state`s own medical examiner held that chloroform or duct tape was not the cause of death! Come on! That`s what the case is about.

GRACE: Right. So your question is, was there evidence of trauma to the neck? Was that your question, or was it just a speech?

HERMAN: No. The state`s medical examiner`s report...

GRACE: Was there really a question in there somewhere?

HERMAN: Yes. Was the state`s medical examiner report findings that there was any trauma to the neck? Answer, no. And or was the state`s medical examiner that the cause of death of Caylee was either chloroform or duct tape? That answer is no. They don`t know!

GRACE: OK. So I now realize that you just set me up, trying to pretend you were asking a question so you could just blab, blab, blab on and on. No, we don`t know the cause of death. But I can tell you this much. I don`t think a jury...

HERMAN: First degree murder case.

GRACE: ... should give the defendant a gold star or an A-plus because they managed to hide the body so long that the body decomposed to the point where you can`t tell cause of death. So don`t start that with me. I`ve been involved with a case where there was nothing but a glass eyeball left, and there was a murder conviction. So don`t even -- don`t even go there!

As a matter of fact, to Heather Walsh-Haney, forensic anthropologist with Florida Gulf Coast University. Heather, what do you say when you are confronted with questions like Richard Herman`s about how you couldn`t find cause of death?

HEATHER WALSH-HANEY, FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST: I say we look at the preponderance of evidence, and that is little Caylee`s remains were found in an area 15 houses close to her own mother`s home, hidden in plastic bags, hidden within a laundry bag, unceremoniously deposited there. She was not reported missing for 31 days. That speaks to the manner of death that is homicide.

Not every homicide has an anatomic means of cause of death, in particular with skeletonized remains. Often, the marks of trauma that happen in the death scenario don`t leave marks on bone, but that doesn`t get rid of the fact that it was a homicide.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer, also in court today. Natisha, so we get the computer expert to talk about at Gentiva, they absolutely placed Cindy at her desk. What about the possibility she worked from home or used a laptop?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, they also had Cindy`s supervisor on the stand today, Nancy, and she testified that there was no working from home. You couldn`t work remotely. And she didn`t give Cindy the clearance to be working from home.

Now, when the defense came up there, they asked whether or not Cindy was able to leave her desk for certain periods of time, and she said yes, that she could. But the Gentiva person who testified also said that you would still be logged in. And those search -- or not those searches, but those entries were on Cindy Anthony`s computer during those important time periods, when those searches were done at the home computer.

GRACE: And let`s just go back through the searches themselves. Matt Zarrell, we`ve got searches that she claims she did look up -- chloroform, alcohol, peroxide, acetone. Now, Matt, correct me if I`m wrong, but didn`t she, Cindy Anthony, say that she was looking up alcohol and acetone because she had gotten an e-mail about children ingesting instant hand sanitizer, like Purel (ph), because I got the same e-mail because children get it on their hands and they`ll eat it. And she said she was looking up acetone, peroxide, alcohol as it related to that e-mail alert she got, did she not?

ZARRELL: Yes, but one of the problems here, Nancy, is that the big thing we`re talking about is the hand sanitizer. She never searched for the hand sanitizer. They never found any search for that. They never found any search for bamboo, which is another reason why she says she went searching. And the chlorophyll -- they didn`t find the chlorophyll, either.

GRACE: So bottom line, are you telling me, Natisha Lance, that there was no search for instant hand sanitizer or hand soap or ingestion or digestion of hand soap by children?

LANCE: You`re absolutely right, Nancy. There were no searches for that and no searches for chlorophyll, either.

GRACE: Everyone, we are taking a quick break. We`ll be right back. We are live outside the Orlando courthouse, bringing the latest in the case of tot mom, Casey Anthony, and taking your calls live, the entire panel taking your calls.

Very quickly, to tonight`s "Case Alert." The disappearance of a Mercer University law student now a homicide investigation. Cops find the torso of a young woman outside the apartment complex of 27-year-old Lauren Giddings, Giddings vanishing without a trace Thursday after e-mailing that she was afraid to stay in her apartment alone. Giddings just graduating from law school, set to take the bar.

Please help us. If you have information about Lauren Giddings, please call Crimestoppers, 877-68-CRIME.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rebuttal to claims made by Mrs. Anthony last week.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you input the words into the Google search engine "how to make chloroform"?

CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t recall putting in "how to make chloroform."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A liar.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is outrageous.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s not outrageous.

CINDY ANTHONY: I did Google search chloroform.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s lying about this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t understand how you could get those two mixed up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were home between 2:16 and 2:28 PM?

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s possible. I mean...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you or weren`t you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The login and logout times of an individual by the name of Cindy -- Cynthia Marie Anthony.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Indicating that CMAnthony logged onto her workstation, a desktop at the Winter Park office.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Came up with keyword search hits in unallocated or deleted space on the hard drive.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No reference (ph) unallocated, deleted Firefox history or on the entire hard drive.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe she`s lying about all those sinister Internet searches.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you`re working and entering information, it will stay on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Your mom takes the stand and has to lie for you? That means your mom is scared.

CINDY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) quit publicizing that stuff!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this something that you`re recalling now that you`ve changed your medication?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolute (INAUDIBLE)

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m done.

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GRACE: We are live outside the Orlando courthouse, bringing the latest in the trial of tot mom, Casey Anthony, on trial for the alleged murder of her 2-year-old little girl.

To Woodrow Tripp, former police commander and polygraph expert. Only these searches were deleted out of four-and-a-half years of computer history, only these searches for how do you make chloroform, ruptured spleen, neck breaking, using household items as weapons, a series of searches like that, all murderous, deadly computer searches.

Only they were deleted, but police managed to find them. I guess The only way you can really get rid of a computer search -- deleting it means nothing. What do you do, put your computer out in the driveway and beat it with a hammer?

WOODROW TRIP, FMR. POLICE CMDR., POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Basically, or a big sledgehammer. You still have that -- the techies say the "hive," and that`s where the memory`s at and it`s still there. And that also shows intent, Nancy. If none of -- if anything else wasn`t deleted and those were the only specific searches or e-mails deleted, then obviously, there was an intent there to specifically delete those.

GRACE: And all the times you`ve been on the stand and you have evaluated people via polygraphs, what do you make of Cindy`s claim, now that she -- through her lawyer, that she had her dates mixed up on the stand?

TRIPP: Well, Nancy, let`s go with the thought process that she got her dates mixed up. Then I, as an investigator, would say, OK, then let`s look at what dates those same searches were done. Were they done on another date? But if that`s not the case, if it walks like a duck and it quacks like it duck, it`s a duck. And in her case, she perjured herself.

GRACE: And those computer searches were not done on other dates, only the dates that came up in court.

Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert, how can you get rid of computer searches? These specific searches, the only thing in four-and-a- half years of computer history, were deleted. Obviously, it didn`t get rid of them.

LEVITAN: It`s pretty clear that if you use your computer a lot, you will overwrite those searches eventually. But this computer was not used a great deal, so those searches stayed on there. And it`s hard for us to believe...

GRACE: OK.

LEVITAN: ... in the context of what she (ph) searched. (ph)

GRACE: Back to the lawyers, Richard Herman, Daniel Horowitz. Richard Herman, as a matter of fact, some of these computer searches were actually bookmarked. I don`t know if you use that particular feature on your computer, but when you don`t want to go through the manual search again and go through Google, type it in and look through everything that -- until you find what you`re looking for, you can bookmark it, so when you come back, you can go straight to that search, like, how do you make chloroform, how do you break necks. A lot of these searches were actually bookmarked and gone to, visited almost 100 times, Herman.

HERMAN: Yes. I mean, it`s not a plus for the defense, Nancy, clearly, and it makes Cindy look real bad. But it`s a -- you know, it`s a dicey road there because she was a star prosecution witness, and now they`re beating up her credibility. So you know, it`s a tough situation.

Look, it looks bad for her on perjury. It really does. I mean, to be honest, I got to tell you that. It really does.

GRACE: It does look bad...

HERMAN: And any time you...

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HERMAN: Anytime you intentionally delete -- anytime you intentionally delete something, that`s horrible.

GRACE: And you know, Daniel, come on. You`re a new father, Daniel. Wouldn`t you do that for your little girl? Wouldn`t you get up on the stand and say, It was me, I did it?

HOROWITZ: No. I don`t think lying serves your children, no matter what the situation.

GRACE: OK. Then I guess I`m going...

HOROWITZ: You can tell the truth...

GRACE: ... straight to hell because I would do it. I know I would do it.

HOROWITZ: No, you wouldn`t, Nancy. You say you would but...

GRACE: I didn`t think I would do it until I had the twins. And now...

HOROWITZ: No, all you`re saying is that you care so much -- you would die for your children, but lying for them is not going to benefit them. You tell the truth and hope that people on the jury have mercy on your child`s life. You don`t lie to them. You would not lie. You just feel strongly that you would defend your children. There`s a difference.

GRACE: You know, Daniel, bottom line here, I don`t like people beating up on Cindy. You know, at the beginning, everyone thought that she`s sacrificing Caylee to save Casey, tot mom. It`s not like that. These people are broken. They are at the end of their ropes. And now we`ve got Cindy on the stand clearly caught in a lie.

I think Herman`s right. I think the prosecution cannot go after her for perjury because she`s their star witness. Of course, those perjury charges would come after this trial. Do you really think -- you know, now that I`m looking at the timeline, would they bring perjury charges against Cindy now? What about it, Herman?

HOROWITZ: No.

HERMAN: No, and I didn`t see them bring them against River whatever her name is, who absolutely lied. So I don`t think they`re going to do it. I hope they don`t.

GRACE: What about it, Horowitz?

HOROWITZ: They need to use this in the penalty phone. Baez and Casey Anthony are now liars because they went after the father, against the brother, and they allowed the mother to do this in desperation.

GRACE: I know. They`ve used...

HOROWITZ: It shows that they have...

GRACE: ... all three family members.

HOROWITZ: ... no soul (ph).

GRACE: And I got to tell you something else. If this is the way she would treat her mother, her father, her brother, how would she treat a 2- year-old little girl that got in her way? Food for thought.

Right now, "CNN Heroes."

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DIANE LATIKER, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: Guns, guns and more guns.

These are our young people. These stones represent them. We`re losing a generation to violence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everybody`s scared to come out, they get shot at.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When they start shooting, you got to grab the kids and run in the house.

LATIKER: People run in the house and close their doors. They don`t even talk about it.

But there`s some people who are not scared to go outside, and I`m one of them.

My name is Diane Latiker. We opened a community center called, Kids Off the Block. We`re known as KOB.

They`re kids that are in gangs. They`re homeless. Some of them are drug dealers. So they got a lot of issues.

Who signed up for Youth Ready Chicago?

I tell kids this is a peace place. This is a safe place.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I really want to be a veterinarian.

LATIKER: We have leadership workshops, (INAUDIBLE) preparation, music. It`s a range of things that goes on in here.

We started out with 10 young people, and the next thing I knew, I had 15. Then I had 25. At one point, I had 75 young people in three rooms of my house. And that`s how Kids Off the Block started, in my living room.

We open the doors for the new KOB center in July. Last year, we served 301 young people. But if they knock on that door, they can come in.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was 12 when I got in a gang, robbing people, stealing. Ms. Diane, she just changed my life. I love her for that.

LATIKER: I`m no different from nobody else. I just opened up my door. Why can`t we all come outside and see what`s going on in our neighborhoods?

There are people here who care, and I`m one of them.

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GRACE: The murder trial of tot mom, Casey Anthony, heats up. Finally, reality hits, the consequences of murder and the brutal death of 2-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony.

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CASEY ANTHONY: My entire life has been taken from me!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re here because?

CASEY ANTHONY: Because I lied.

Everything has been taken from me!

PERRY: Your decision to testify or not testify.

CASEY ANTHONY: I have to keep my mouth shut!

PERRY: Is solely your decision.

CASEY ANTHONY: I`m not in control over any of this!

I can answer that one.

Because I don`t know what the hell`s going on!

PERRY: And your decision alone?

PERRY: Yes, sir.

CASEY ANTHONY: Nobody`s letting me speak!

Just a random question.

I`m so beyond frustrated!

Are there cameras in all of the rooms?

I would never do anything or let any harm come to that child.

I`m not sitting here (EXPLETIVE DELETED) crying every two seconds!

She`s the one thing in this whole world that I love more than anything.

I may have been the boss walking in here.

Happy birthday. My name`s Casey.

I just watched the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) news and heard everything that my mom said!

The roles have surely changed.

Nobody in my own family is on my side!

PERRY: It is your decision not to testify.

CASEY ANTHONY: Can someone let me...

Yes, sir.

Come on!

I`m sorry for what I did.

Sorry.

PERRY: Have you had ample time...

CASEY ANTHONY: Sucks for them.

PERRY: ... to discuss this matter?

CASEY ANTHONY: Because I have nothing to say.

PERRY: ... with your attorneys -- that is, the pros and cons.

CASEY ANTHONY: Because all I need to do is give the media more stuff.

PERRY: ... of testifying or not testifying.

CASEY ANTHONY: ... to throw back in my face.

Yes, sir.

I take...

It`s nobody`s fault.

-- complete and full responsibility.

(INAUDIBLE) They just want Caylee back. That`s all they`re worried about.

I know she`s alive.

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GRACE: Let`s stop and remember Army private first class Nicholas Madaras, just 19, Wilton (ph), Kentucky, killed Iraq, awarded Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation, loved baseball, lacrosse, soccer. Family, friends have donated over 32,000 soccer balls to Iraqi children in his honor. Leaves behind parents Bill and Shalini (ph), sister, Marie (ph), brother, Christopher. Nicholas Madaras, American hero.

Thanks to our guests, but our biggest thank you is to you for being with us. And a special good night tonight to the New York control room. Good night, Liz, Brett, Dean, our E.P. Who`s that on the end? Dana.

Everyone, they may be in New York, but we are here outside the Orlando courthouse, in our own way seeking justice for Caylee.

I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 o`clock sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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