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NANCY GRACE

Cindy Anthony Testifies on Pool Ladder

Aired June 24, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the case of 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminate when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee. A utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair, the killer duct- taping, placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple-bagging little Caylee like she`s trash.

The murder trial of tot mom Casey Anthony under way. Tot mom`s lawyer tells a stunned courtroom she has nothing to do with Caylee`s death, but that her own father, ex-cop George Anthony, shows up with Caylee`s dead body, then George hides it, leaving it to rot. Tot mom also claims father George and brother Lee both molest her.

Then on the stand, Cindy Anthony takes the fall, telling the jury she, Cindy, made over 100 computer searches on how to make chloroform, ruptured spleen, acetone, a whole list of murder-related topics, even though Cindy`s own work records reveal she was at work when the deadly searches were made.

Bombshell tonight, the family cover-up. Cindy Anthony tells a packed courtroom the family pool ladder was up and attached to the aboveground pool in the Anthony back yard the very day Caylee disappears, the jury left believing Cindy herself leaves that ladder attached the evening of the 15th after swimming with Caylee, and then the little 2-year-old wanders in during the early morning hours of the 16th to drown.

But if it doesn`t fit, you can`t acquit. Weeks ago, Cindy Anthony says she absolutely did not leave the ladder attached. And tot mom, you can`t turn back time. Your own father, father George Anthony, testified he sees Caylee 1:00 PM June 16th. That`s hours after the trumped-up drowning you say occurred.

his as brother Lee also roped back in, swearing on the stand the car truck was covered in stains when he first bought it. So was there another dead body in the trunk?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lee Anthony.

LEE ANTHONY, CASEY`S BROTHER: This family is united.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know that your mother went nuts decorating this room for the birth of her first grandchild.

LEE ANTHONY: I don`t recall. I never walked in the room. I never went into the room.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How close are you with your sister?

LEE ANTHONY: Connect on a level above anybody else.

(INAUDIBLE) I will never forget the promise that I made to you!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your mother and your sister went shopping and bought all kinds of stuff.

LEE ANTHONY: I do not recall.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In anticipation of Caylee`s birth.

LEE ANTHONY: I`m sure they did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And they had a party.

LEE ANTHONY: If they did, I wasn`t invited.

I was very angry at my mom and I was also angry at my sister. They didn`t want to include me. I will never forget -- and didn`t find it important enough to tell me, especially after (INAUDIBLE)

I know you trust me that I`m going to do what`s best for everybody.

CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: Exactly.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace, I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight, the family cover-up. Cindy Anthony tells a packed courtroom the family pool ladder was up and attached to that aboveground pool in the Anthony back yard the very day Caylee disappears, Cindy Anthony trying her best to cover up again for tot mom.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Defense calls Cindy Anthony.

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God.

Caylee had been gone for 31 days.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you advise Yuri Melich about the ladder being left up on the pool?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

I`m trying to stay so strong for you!

CASEY ANTHONY: And you`re doing such a great job, Mom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you input the words into the Google search engine, "how to make chloroform"?

CINDY ANTHONY: I did Google search "chloroform."

This is my granddaughter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I understand that...

(CROSSTALK)

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m extremely involved in this case. This is tearing me up.

LEE ANTHONY: This is destroying your mother. She hurts so much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you like to take a break? Do you need a break?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, I`m OK.

It`s getting harder every day!

CASEY ANTHONY: You have to stay as strong as you can, Mom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you sure you were at work on June 16th of 2008?

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m sorry. Can you repeat that one more time? I just want to make sure I get the -- on the same page.

My daughter may have some mistruths out there, but she is not a murderer.

CASEY ANTHONY: I know it`s hard. Trust me!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was just your average, if not above average, toddler.

CINDY ANTHONY: I felt she was above average.

And that`s all I have to say, guys. Thank you very much.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live at the Orange County courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial of tot mom, Casey Anthony, on trial for the alleged murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee. Once again, Cindy Anthony on the stand, undergoing both direct and cross-examination, once again taking the fall for tot mom.

But this time, it goes even further. After we hear her own all of those deadly computer searches, claiming she`s the one looking for how to make chloroform, ruptured spleen, breaking neck, the whole kit and kaboodle, now today, in the last hours, Cindy Anthony claims the aboveground pool ladder was, in fact, attached on June 16th, the very day Caylee goes missing.

Straight out to Robyn Walensky, WDBO, joining us, in court all day long. Robyn, what happened?

ROBYN WALENSKY, WDBO: Nancy, here`s the bottom line. Cindy`s up there again today, and she says that she sees the gate open and that the pool ladder is up. Nancy, she`s so alarmed that she calls George to tell him. And she`s also so alarmed that she mentions this to two workers at her job where she`s a nurse.

GRACE: But Robyn Walensky, they also -- she also says to -- or she claims she tells her co-workers that the gate was open. But by all accounts, Caylee could not open the gate. She could not open a gate. She could not attach that ladder. In fact, Cindy Anthony, on the stand in the last hour says she herself has to hoist the ladder up with two arms. No way could a tiny child attach that ladder.

WALENSKY: On cross-examination, you are right, Linda Drane Burdick, the prosecutor, asked her that. And Cindy Anthony, a grown woman -- she says, You know what? I couldn`t lift that ladder with one hand. I needed both of my hands. So there`s no way on earth that little Caylee could have put the ladder there. I mean, it`s absurd.

GRACE: To you, Natisha Lance, also in court the entire day.

Everyone, we are live at the Orlando, Orange County, courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial of tot mom Casey Anthony. So Cindy Anthony retakes the stand. Will they never let that woman rest? She`s back on the stand. Yesterday, she takes the fall for tot mom`s computer searches, alleged computer searches. Today, she`s taking the fall for the pool.

But Natisha, correct me if I`m wrong, George Anthony already testified he sees Caylee, he`s positive, on June 16, 1:00 PM. According to tot mom...

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: You`re absolutely right.

GRACE: ... this all occurred in the early morning hours of June 16, the wee hours, that they find her there in the early morning hours. That couldn`t be. The timeline doesn`t fit. If it doesn`t fit, you can`t acquit. It won`t work. It doesn`t fit together. They can`t turn back time and just pretend George Anthony`s testimony never happened, Natisha.

LANCE: You`re absolutely right, Nancy. And George says that he remembers this time distinctly because he was watching a cooking show that he oftentimes liked to watch on the home -- HGTV. And not only that, Nancy, but the prosecution had brought out earlier that there are those instant messages from June 16th, from the morning of June 16th, and also pictures of shot girls that somebody was looking up.

Cindy Anthony was not on instant messaging and she also wouldn`t be looking up pictures of shot girls. George Anthony the same thing. So it does bring into question what was going on that morning, but it`s not fitting with the defense`s theory that Caylee drowned in the pool that morning.

GRACE: It`s not fitting at all. To Rory O`Neill, joining us from Orlando, reporter, Metro Networks. Weigh in, Rory.

RORY O`NEILL, METRO NETWORKS: Well, Nancy, it really is the first time that the defense is arguing the case that they laid out in their opening statements. It`s the first time they`re suggesting proof in some form that Caylee perhaps drowned in the swimming pool, showing that, yes, the girl could climb up the stairs on her own, maybe with some assistance, but probably could at least make the climb up the steps if they were already in place.

So we`re really, for the first time now on day 27, seeing the defense put out some of the facts it says supports its theory that Caylee drowned, that George knew it and that everyone was covering it up.

GRACE: To our chief editorial producer, Ellie Jostad. Ellie, Cindy`s testimony flies in the face of a lot of other statements that have been given to police, and prior depositions.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. Well, Cindy said - - and she testified to this, as well as telling law enforcement in a deposition -- rather, the prosecutors in a deposition -- she says she clearly remembers the night of June 15th. She and Caylee went swimming. She says she took her out of the pool, took that ladder down. Casey was home. They got her ready for a bath. She described in detail what happened that night, and she was sure that she detached that ladder from the pool.

GRACE: You know, as you were stating that, Ellie, you reminded me of when I read it in a deposition. I pulled it up. Here it is. I`ve got it right here, sworn deposition by Cindy Anthony. This was, you know, months ago. Answer, "And then I finished putting the pool stuff away and took the ladder off the pool, and then went inside. And I think by that time, Caylee was in the tub with Casey."

This was June 15 that she`s talking about. So Ellie, come on! You and I have watched enough trials together to know that details matter.

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: What, is Jose Baez not even looking at what has already been said and looking at that timeline?

JOSTAD: Yes, Nancy. I think what the defense is trying to do is create doubt. They showed a picture of Caylee with her hand on the sliding door, made it appear that maybe she could open that door herself. However, then, you know, when Cindy is asked on cross about it, she says, Well, you know, actually, you had to use quite a bit of force get that open.

They`re just trying to get this idea in the jurors` minds, keep that picture in their mind of Caylee climbing that pool ladder, try to get them to think she could do it on her own.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mrs. Anthony, who attended the baby shower?

CINDY ANTHONY: Casey`s grandmothers, her aunts, some of my friends, Jesse Grund`s mother, neighbors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was Lee present?

CINDY ANTHONY: No, none of the guys were present.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... Anthony, C-A-S-E-Y.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Standing trial for her life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know what that photograph is of, Mrs. Anthony?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And notice that the pool ladder was up?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A highly unusual event for you.

CINDY ANTHONY: Called George to see if he had left the pool ladder up.

GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY`S FATHER: Shut up!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live at the Orange County courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial of tot mom, Casey Anthony, on trial for the alleged murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee.

As we`ve known from the stunning opening statements by the defense, their theory is that Caylee wasn`t murdered at all, she drowned in the back yard pool, was fished out by father George, and he, an ex-cop, took it upon himself to go hide the body, setting up a murder scene, as opposed to trying to resuscitate the child or call 911.

And today, not George but mother Cindy Anthony retakes the stand and tells the jury under oath that she`s convinced the pool ladder was attached to the pool the morning Caylee disappears. One tiny problem!

Unleash the lawyers. Susan Moss, New York, Richard Herman, Las Vegas.

Susan Moss, the times don`t fit. It doesn`t fit, Sue Moss! George Anthony`s already testified that he sees Caylee 1:00 PM on June 16th.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Absolutely!

GRACE: He distinctly remembers a cooking show he was watching. Now they want to tell the jury, yes, forget about that. That didn`t happen. She really died around what, 5:00 o`clock in the morning, and George fished her body out. No, it`s not going to work!

MOSS: Not going to work! Cindy lied to stop her daughter from being fried! And this isn`t the first time! Do you remember weeks and weeks ago when she gave the police the wrong brush, saying it was Caylee`s brush -- Casey`s brush when it was actually Caylee`s brush, presumably so that when evidence was being identified, it would be misidentified! This isn`t the first time she has lied! This isn`t the last time that she`s lied! Luckily, though, we have her deposition to show that there is an inconsistency!

GRACE: Richard?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, maybe George or Casey put the ladder up after Cindy took it down. How about that? And let me ask you something. Just because George says, Oh, I saw the baby at 1:00 o`clock, or whatever, you would agree with me, Nancy, if he had anything to do with hiding that body, he would himself have personal criminal exposure. So please, come on. Just because George testified to something...

GRACE: OK, stop right there!

HERMAN: ... doesn`t mean...

GRACE: Pup up Herman!

HERMAN: ... he`s perfect.

GRACE: Put him up! OK, Herman, you know that part of...

HERMAN: Professor Herman.

GRACE: ... being a lawyer is actually listening, just occasionally? So you keep saying that -- what George had to lose. OK, let`s look at the whole drowning theory. Does it make sense to you, Richard -- take off your boxing gloves.

HERMAN: OK.

GRACE: Does it make sense to you that George Anthony would create this whole drown -- this whole scenario to set up the scene to look like murder to save his daughter from prosecution? Richard, she`s looking at the death penalty! She`s facing prosecution.

HERMAN: Right.

GRACE: Why would he still keep with that crazy lie? The whole theory, the whole premise doesn`t make sense, Herman.

HERMAN: Yes, our friend Johnnie is smiling at you today. You`re showing him homage. Absolutely. That`s the problem with the defense and Baez...

GRACE: Yes, so you don`t want to answer the question.

HERMAN: Why would he...

GRACE: That`s OK.

HERMAN: No, I do.

GRACE: Go ahead, Sheryl McCollum...

HERMAN: I do!

GRACE: ... I`ll throw the question to you.

HERMAN: Oh, there you go.

GRACE: Sheryl...

HERMAN: Turn the mike off!

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: Here`s the deal, Nancy. They had chloroform in the trunk. Forget the other timeline. The chloroform is in the trunk with hair. It has the death band. That`s the only thing we need to be concentrating on.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

CASEY ANTHONY: The media`s going to have a frickin` field day with this!

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Mark Lippman has told me this. Do your clients, George and Cindy Anthony, think that she is not guilty?

GEORGE ANTHONY: What can I say? You believe your child.

TUCHMAN: He said, They do not believe she is innocent.

CINDY ANTHONY: I still believe my daughter.

GEORGE ANTHONY: I believe in my daughter.

LEE ANTHONY: I believe everything that my sister tells me.

TUCHMAN: They want to see justice done.

GEORGE ANTHONY: She was (INAUDIBLE)

CINDY ANTHONY: I already answered the question. I`m not answering it again.

TUCHMAN: They want to see the truth come out.

CASEY ANTHONY: I feel guilty about that. I feel extremely guilty. But I was under a time of desperation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. We are live at the Orange County courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial of tot mom, Casey Anthony, on trial for the murder, the alleged murder of 2-year-old little Caylee, her only child.

Joining us right now, special guest Lorna Owens, criminal defense attorney out of Miami. Lorna, I know that the duty of a criminal defense attorney is to do everything they can to save their client, but this doesn`t even make sense. The timeline doesn`t fit.

Just talking to Richard Herman, and he`s saying that George has something to cover up, that he helped in creating a murder scene, he hid the body. But that was all to save tot mom from facing some kind of criminal negligence charge. That doesn`t make sense. She`s facing murder one and the Florida death penalty. Why would he stick to a big lie that wasn`t even achieving the end it originally had in mind? It doesn`t make sense that he would stick with the lie now.

LORNA OWENS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, it does not make sense. And as we`ve always said, death is different. And what`s going to happen now, it`s going to come down to the battle of forensics. It`s all about documentation. Documentation is going to trump conversation because we now have an issue of credibility. We have a crisis of credibility with Lee Anthony and Cindy Anthony.

GRACE: OK, Herman, here`s your chance. Make good.

HERMAN: Make good. I agree with you. It`s preposterous that he would allow his daughter to face the death penalty rather than some perhaps negligence on a drowning. It`s the biggest cause of death of children in Florida, drowning.

GRACE: OK. So I`ve...

HERMAN: They don`t get prosecuted for that.

GRACE: ... got you over that hump. Woo-hoo! That was -- that was tough. OK, I got you over that hump. Now, you`re the defense attorney. What do you do? Because what they`re doing today -- all the prosecution has to do is line it up in closing arguments and say, This doesn`t make sense, the timeline doesn`t fit. So now what can they do?

HERMAN: What does make sense, Nancy, is there are at least two or three jurors that are taking notes and listening to the forensic -- the defense expert forensics, who are beating up on the prosecution forensics. That`s going to get a hung jury on first degree murder.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: CMA, CMA, I miss you. I love you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do not recall.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need you to know that I will never forget the promise that I made to you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two or three times, I don`t recall, I wasn`t counting.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How are you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In your direct examination by Mr. Baez, did he need to refresh your recollection at all?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Man, I don`t want to start crying.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I don`t either.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So she`s saying he made an attempt to feel her up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know if there was ever an accident or what the situation is, you know what I mean? I don`t recall.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she say whether or not he was successful in feeling her up?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She said it didn`t happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your parents were over the top about this, weren`t they?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Especially afterwards, absolutely, yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, even before. They were over the top. You described them as over the top. Isn`t that right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My parents are very over the top. Prior to, you know, my sister actually having Caylee, to be honest with you, didn`t really pay a lot of attention.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We`re live in the orange county courthouse, bringing you the latest in the trial of tot mom Casey Anthony on trial for the alleged murder of her two-year-old little girl, Caylee. Once again, family cover- up in court today. Cindy Anthony retakes the stand after we heard her testimony yesterday claiming she`s responsible for all of those deadly computer searches about chloroform, ruptured spleen, you name it, acetone, the works, although we know she doesn`t have a MySpace account and in the middle of all the searches, we see tot mom logging on to her MySpace account. We know that.

Today, Cindy back on the stand, now claiming, suggesting it was her fault that Caylee drowned, that Caylee could have drowned because the pool ladder was, in fact, attached, and she is sure of it, the day Caylee disappears.

Also, also roped in, brother Lee. To Natisha Lance, our producer in in court the entire day. Natisha, what about brother Lee`s testimony? Correct me if I`m wrong, but after the big bombshell Jose Baez drops in opening statement about brother molesting tot mom since she was a little girl, they didn`t ask him about that? Jose Baez didn`t ask him about the molestation?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nope, it didn`t come up today, Nancy. What did come up is about Casey Anthony being pregnant. What Lee says is that he had suspicions that Casey was pregnant during the early part, middle part of 2005, but it was never confirmed to him by any of his family members. Casey even picked him up from the airport at one point and said she was obviously pregnant at that time. But nobody said anything.

He did not find out she was pregnant until a few days before she gave birth and he was not at the hospital. Lee became extremely emotional at this point when he was talking about the testimony and Casey Anthony herself also extremely emotional when Lee was testifying today.

GRACE: To psychologist Dr. Caryn Stark, joining us from New York. We really need a shrink. We need a full-time shrink in this case. We need a whole team of you guys flown in from Vienna. How do you ignore somebody that is 9 months pregnant? At that time, I believe, all of the Anthonys were under the same roof. Here she is, hello, they`re taking her to the hospital, she`s giving birth. On the way, they`re still saying, yes, you know, she`s not pregnant.

DR. CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: It is so much a part of this family dynamic, Nancy, that there is an elephant in the room and everyone can`t see it. What kind of family doesn`t communicate to each other? It just reinforces that there was nothing that was going on there that made a lot of sense. Everybody was trying to keep things hidden.

And I do feel like there is validity in that point about trying -- the defense trying to establish confusion so there is some question of doubt, because, OK, we see a grandmother who is grieving, who is sad, but also a mother, and very much torn. So maybe if she starts to say this, there can be some kind of doubt about what really happened, which is, I think what they`re looking for. What a dysfunctional family, a textbook.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, while Cindy and Lee are up on the stand taking the fall for tot mom, what is she doing?

LANCE: Well, Nancy, there was that video played of Casey Anthony and Caylee Anthony when she`s wearing the pink and white shorts. And Caylee give a big smile. She became emotional. Cindy also became emotional during that time. When Lee was on the stand, Casey was extremely agitated by that. Jose Baez went over to Casey, kneeled down next to her and she was emotional at that point before she was taken out of the courtroom.

GRACE: At what juncture did she start crying, Natisha? Was it when he was upset about the pregnancy being a secret and nobody telling him? Is that when she started crying, when he cried?

LANCE: Yes, as soon as Lee started to become emotional, and his voice started to crack that is when Casey Anthony also started to become emotional.

GRACE: OK. What about when the evidence was coming out about Caylee, dead? She sat there the whole time stoically, looking at her nails, like she needed a pedicure or manicure. So today she showed emotion when Lee was upset. Did Lee have anything to ad about the pool or the alleged drowning defense, Natisha?

LANCE: He did not, Nancy. He didn`t go into anything about that.

But one of the things that the state did ask him about is that you`re so emotional today, but when we asked you this exact same question during your deposition, you weren`t emotional then. But Lee Anthony says that he is in a very different place today. He was in denial previously about Caylee actually being dead. And even today he says if he did see a little girl who looked familiar to Caylee, he would probably look 100 times. But he has come to the reconciliation today that Caylee is deceased.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Ann in Washington. Hi, Ann, what`s your question?

ANN, CALLER IN WASHINGTON: hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call. Actually, I have a comment and that is the day that Cindy was on the stand when the 911 tapes were played, she testified that she had gone to a -- for counseling. And she said she was advised to kick Casey out and seek custody of Caylee. Since this was part of her testimony on the stand, I`m curious as to why the prosecution hasn`t gone after it for a motive.

GRACE: You mean, a motive in that tot mom killed Caylee rather than let Cindy have her?

ANN: Right, right. It`s in the testimony.

GRACE: What about it, Robyn Walensky?

ROBYN WALENSKY: In closing, we might hear just that, that what the caller says is a very distinct possibility that they may raise at the end to sort of tie up the whole case with motive.

GRACE: You know, another issue, to Aaron Brehove joining us out of D.C. You`ve been watching them in court. It is just amazing to me that tot mom is standing by letting everybody in her family take the fall for her. The only one that stuck by his guns is George Anthony. And I know he loves tot mom. But he stuck by that really happened that day.

This is really the first we`re hearing about the pool ladder still being attached, the scenario that Cindy Anthony is raising, what do you make of their body language?

AARON BREHOVE, SENIOR INSTRUCTOR, BODY LANGUAGE INSTITUTE: Well, we see Cindy Anthony and the entire trial, as we have seen her, seeing all the videos of her, she`s always very emotional and doesn`t make constant eye contact. But you see her yesterday, and she`s almost staring you down. It is very odd. It is a really big red flag here. I really want to ask the question, what is going on and why is she changing so much?

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- told you the only one who had access to this duct tape was Casey Anthony. That`s not true. The picture tells 1,000 words. He was at that command center. He was home on the 16th. All you have to do is follow the duct tape and it will point to you what Caylee`s remains, where they ultimately ended up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m a meter reader with Orange County and I had the lot today with the Anthony`s home. There was something white and I don`t know what it is, I`m not telling you it is Caylee or anything of that nature.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You will not be able to trust a thing having to do with Mr. Kronk because he had control of Caylee`s remains for obviously several months.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If I would have known something happened to Caylee, we wouldn`t be here today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was a little pissed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because he tried to use me again, like a scapegoat.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that fair to say, you had an affair with George Anthony?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An intimate affair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An intimate affair.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But when the investigators asked you about it, you denied it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I figured I would tell them everything without having to tell them that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And still waiting for the other shoe to drop, that was Krystal Holloway, also known as River Cruise, the so-called other woman that claims she slept with George Anthony and he said it was all just a big accident, Caylee`s death. We`re waiting for her to come and take the stand.

Also, where`s Roy Kronk, the meter reader, the defense says found Caylee`s body, stole it, kept it at his house, and then sometime later took it back, redistributed all the bones so he could collect the reward? I guess sometimes -- somehow he managed to get into the Anthony home and get all those items out of the home too and lay them around strategically at the crime scene. Where is Krystal Holloway and meter reader Roy Kronk?

Today, family cover-ups -- Cindy and Lee Anthony both on the stand, trying their best to help tot mom. Out to Sharon McComb, director of the cold case squad, author of "cold case," put it back together for me, this theory of an accidental drowning, it doesn`t fit in the timeline, doesn`t fit in the facts that George and Cindy have laid out before about the backyard pool.

SHERYL MCCOLLUM: Right.

GRACE: What do you think?

MCCOLLUM: If it was an accident, you don`t need duct tape, you don`t need trash bags, you don`t need stickers, you don`t need to leave the baby in the trunk until she completely decomposes.

What needs to be focused on here, Nancy, is the chloroform. Chloroform is either meant to knock you out, it is a murder weapon, or it is part of body decomposed. It`s in the trunk. They looked it. It is in a car that she had control of, that she drove, and she abandoned. Period. With that chloroform is a strand of that baby`s hair that has the death band around it.

So you got chloroform, and hair with the death band, and that equals murder. That is not an accident. If it is an accident, you don`t lie about where you work, you don`t lie about the nanny, you don`t lie about who the daddy is, it is my brother, it is my daddy, is it is a neighbor, it is these other seven men, their story is going to collapse on them. This jury is not that stupid.

GRACE: You know, when you take a look at the way it played out, Sheryl McCollum, speaking of you don`t have to lie about this and that, I`m thinking back on what Richard Herman originally said, the theory that George hid the body, set up the scene to make it look like a murder to save tot mom from facing a child negligence charge.

MCCOLLUM: Right.

GRACE: OK, we`re way past child negligence. We`re looking at the needle, the Florida death penalty.

MCCOLLUM: He`s a former cop.

GRACE: Shoot it in the arm. Why would he be sticking with that story now? He probably would fall on his knees and thank god for a child negligence charge.

MCCOLLUM: Absolutely.

GRACE: Why would he stick to that lie?

MCCOLLUM: As a former police officer, he never even hid the body. This is the worst case of hiding a body I`ve ever seen. She drove around with it in the trunk of the car. They didn`t hide her. They ditched her only when the smell was too bad.

GRACE: To Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner, New Jersey state forensic pathologist. Dr. Manion, thank you for being with us.

DR. BILL MANION, MEDICAL EXAMINER: My pleasure.

GRACE: Today, Lee Anthony -- thank you -- takes the stand for the defense. And he tells the jury that those stains were in the back of that car trunk from the day he got the car, the car was originally bought for him. So how can we tell? Were the stains human decomp or from something else?

MANION: Well, I think -- they should have if there was a question about the stains, they should have taken the stains, the stained carpet materials and extracted the stain using alcohol, using benzene, using chemicals, extract the molecules causing the stain and run them through an instrument to see what the heck is going on there. What stain is that? And perhaps they could have shown that it was consistent with the decomposition chemicals, decomposition fluids. But as far as I know --

GRACE: Out to the lines, Roberta --

MANION: -- significance of the stain is. I don`t think the stain was analyzed, though bits of carpeting were analyzed and were shown to contain decomp fluid and chloroform.

GRACE: Exactly, Dr. Manion. To Roberta in Florida. Hi, Roberta, what`s your question?

ROBERTA, CALLER IN FLORIDA: My question is, when Cindy said she looked up why dogs are tired, one thing she could have looked up is Casey testing her chemicals out on the dogs and why they were tired?

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t make out your question. Ellie, could you make out the question?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: What she`s asking is if possibly chemicals were used on the dogs and that`s what was making them tired. Because as we know, Cindy Anthony`s excuse for looking up chloroform, she was looking chlorophyll thinking dogs eating leafs from the backyard might be making them sick. And that led to a "chloroform" search according to Cindy Anthony.

GRACE: Everyone, we`ll be right back.

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GRACE: The murder trial of tot mom Casey Anthony under way. Finally, reality hits, the consequences of murder and the brutal death of 2-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cynthia Anthony. Something tragic happens. We don`t know how we`re going to handle it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, I wouldn`t need to look up the word trouble.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Quit publicizing that stuff.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I started looking up chlorophyll.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to be on your side. I told you that from day one then that prompted me to look up "chloroform."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The first time I`ve seen Caylee or Casey in a week.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have a bruise. Am I abused? There`s no bruises on that child.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve smelled human decomposition. This was beyond that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you at least talk about the bags of evidence?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Back away from the car. There`s no story, guys. I can`t find my granddaughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You call her a baby one more time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know what your involvement is, sweetheart.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why is he upset?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is why he`s upset. Back off. OK, please, before I lose my husband right now. Why go through all of this? Why put us through all of that doesn`t make sense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I will walk every inch of this earth because I did not know --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes or no --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, because I didn`t know -

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- barely get out of bed. I did Google search chloroform. I`ll look in every nook and cranny. I wanted to see Caylee.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was getting angrier and angrier and more upset so I dialed 911.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to bring her in.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I get bits and pieces of stuff that continues to come back to me in my memory. It`s not outrageous.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant Ryan Jopek, 20, Merrill, Wisconsin, killed Iraq. Awarded purple hard, army commendation medal. Loved basketball, Chicago bears, had a `66 Chevy pickup. He wanted to be a park ranger. Leaves behind parents, Tracy and Ryan who also served Iraq. Ryan Jopek, American hero.

Thank you to our guests, but especially to you. I`ll see you Sunday night, 8:00 sharp eastern, when we again in our own way will be seeking justice for Caylee. And until then, goodnight, friend.

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