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NANCY GRACE

Disappearance of Second-Grader Kyron Horman

Aired February 4, 2011 - 21:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Vanished into thin air.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look for her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just need to kind her.

GRACE: So many cases --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re still looking.

GRACE: -- so few leads.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing.

GRACE: Missing person.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s our duty to find her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The witness had seen the suspect on NANCY GRACE.

GRACE: There is a God.

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GRACE: Found alive.

Fifty people, 50 days, 50 nights.

Let`s don`t give up.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He has a great sense of humor and he loves to laugh. And he`s just a great kid.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): His disappearance sparked the largest missing persons search in Oregon`s history. More than 155 acres have been scoured to find Kyron Horman, the bespeckled boy last seen on June 4, 2010.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Not till the loom is silent and the shuttles cease to fly will God unroll the canvass and explain the reason why."

KAINE HORMAN, KYRON`S FATHER: I saw him the day of the science fair that morning, and gave each other a couple big hugs, and just told him to have a great day at the fair and enjoy presenting his project to everybody.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One of the last known images of Kyron taken the day of his disappearance shows him smiling standing next to his science fair project on tree frogs. That photo was taken by his stepmother. She told the police she last saw the boy walking toward his classroom at Skyline Elementary School. But the second-grader never made it there.

HORMAN: The bus driver looked at us and told us that he wasn`t on the bus today. So we figured, well, he must still be waiting for us at the school, so she called the school on her cell phone, and that`s when we found out he hadn`t been there all day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what went through your mind?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Panic.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Within eight months, there has been little to no physical evidence to clue authorities in on what happened to Kyron. The stepmother, Terri Horman, has been the focus of the investigation, though never knew the suspect or a person of interest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re saying that you failed two polygraph tests. Did you fail to polygraph tests?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What makes you believe that she`s lying?

DESIREE YOUNG, KYRON`S MOTHER: Well, because we were there, too. We know the truth. And what she talks about is not the same.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Since he vanished, his father and stepmother have been in a bitter divorce battle stemming from allegations she tried to hire a hit man to have her husband killed. At the core of the family drama playing out in court filings is the missing Kyron Horman.

HORMAN: Kyron, we miss you. Your school friends and their families, the teachers, the staff at your school, and the community as a whole have shown how much impact one little boy`s smile can have on a community.

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GRACE: Every day 2,300 people go missing in America. Disappear. Vanish. Their families left waiting, wondering, hoping, but never forgetting. And neither have we.

Fifty people, 50 days. Fifty nights we go live spotlighting America`s missing children. , boys and girls, mothers, fathers, grandparents. They are gone, but where?

Tonight, live, rural Oregon. Stepmommy walks her 7-year-old down the hall of his elementary school. He`s never seen again.

Police insist stepmommy take a second polygraph. In a stunning twist, 7-year-old Kyron`s dad files for divorce in secret and slaps stepmommy with an emergency order to stay away from her own children. Bio mom pleads to stepmommy to please help police.

And another bizarre twist. We learn stepmommy tries to hire a hit man to murder the 7-year-old, Kyron`s, father, her husband, and carries on a torrid sex affair after Kyron goes missing, even sending X-rated photos to her lover. Despite all this, still no sign of 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

Tonight, we have not forgotten.

Now, straight out to Jean Casarez.

Jean, what`s the latest?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Nancy, this is a very active case. We have to find Kyron Horman. Who can forget this little boy with the thick glasses that we have gotten to know so well through the months?

There was just a search that took place, a very targeted search.

I want to go out to Natisha Lance.

We are taking your calls live tonight.

Natisha, where was this search and where was this targeted area?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, this search happened in the rural parts of Portland, in the west and also in the north. There were 50 searchers who were out at this area, Jean.

There were 11 target areas, about three to six acres each. They were able to clear seven of those areas with cadaver dogs. There were also some areas that they wanted to go through on foot. There were four of those areas, and they were able to get through one of them.

Now, investigators have said that they plan to go back to this area; however, they don`t know when that time will be. And this is an area, the one which they searched, that they had planned to go to previously, but were prohibited from going there because of weather constraints. It`s about 1,500 feet up elevation, so it`s a difficult area to get to, but this is the area that police are now focusing on.

CASAREZ: Natisha, do we know at all why they`re going to this particular area?

LANCE: Police are not giving any indication as to why, but what they will say is that all their searches at this point are targeted searches. They`re not throwing darts in the dark here. They are doing things very calculated and for a reason. So we have to assume police have some type of information that led them to this area.

CASAREZ: And they are not giving up.

Let`s go to Ellie Jostad, NANCY GRACE producer.

I want to start from the beginning, because I want people to really see where this all started. Let`s look at the timeline. It all started in the morning hours of June 4th, right, 2010?

ELLIE JOSTAD, PRODUCER, NANCY GRACE: Right. That`s right.

And little Kyron had a science fair that morning. As you heard in the open there, he was doing a project. He went there with his stepmother. She took him to the school.

After the science fair, she apparently was going to go look at some more of the exhibit. She said she last saw him walking toward his second grade classroom.

So that`s the last time anybody sees Kyron alive. But there`s a huge gap in this timeline. And the problem is that nobody noticed Kyron was missing until he didn`t get off the school bus that day. So we have got a huge window there where nobody knows where Kyron was.

CASAREZ: All right. Now, we do know a bit of a timeline, because Terri Horman, the stepmother in all of this, said that she went to some Fred Meyer supermarkets, right, Ellie?

JOSTAD: Right. She claims that between 9:30 and about 10:30, she went to -- a witness actually saw her during that time. She said she first went to a Fred Meyer store to try to get some medication for her daughter, Kiara. She said they didn`t have what she was looking for, so she went to a second Fred Meyer store.

Then she said she also went to the gym at 11:20. At about -- sorry, about 12:20 she left the gym, gets home at about 12:45. She said that at 2:00, Kyron`s dad got home. At 3:30, they went to go meet the bus, realized Kyron`s not on it. That`s when they contacted the school and realized he hadn`t been in class that day.

CASAREZ: All right. To C.W. Jensen, retired Portland police captain, joining us from Portland, Oregon.

You`ve been on this case from the beginning factually. You know so much about it.

Here`s a question that I`ve had for a long time. Do you know at all if little Kyron`s coat and his backpack were left at the school? Or did they leave when he left?

C.W. JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: I don`t believe that any of Kyron`s possessions were left there. I think that the theory that everyone is going on is that Terri Horman`s story is false, that she didn`t see him walking to his classroom, that she then took him out of the school and, ultimately, you know, was responsible for his disappearance.

CASAREZ: Do you find it amazing, though, that he was at his science fair that morning, it was red tree frogs was his experiment. If he did get his coat and his backpack -- because I checked the temperatures then. It was in the 50s in that area during that time. That`s cold. So you are going to have a coat and you`re going to put your jacket on. That nobody saw him put his coat on or get his backpack to leave?

JENSEN: You know what`s kind of interesting that I found when I take my daughter to elementary school? People get into a routine.

You know, you may not notice if your neighbor`s car is in the driveway because you see it all the time. And sometimes when we`re just used to seeing people, and seeing people do things in certain areas, it doesn`t make an impact on us. So people may have seen Kyron walking somewhere and it just didn`t register.

CASAREZ: You`re right. You`re so right.

We`re taking your calls.

Carol, in Florida.

Hi, Carol.

CAROL, FLORIDA: Hi. I`m so glad you`re taking my call. I just -- I have one question and one observation.

We have a family member who`s been missing for 18 years. And my question here is, the stepmother, does she have any previous animosity against the young child? Or, you know, has she shown any kind of abuse or anything like that? That`s my -- you know, I wouldn`t think so if she took a picture, unless that was just some kind of a setup.

And my second is, I don`t understand the school. I mean, the child is missing. He doesn`t go to class, they don`t have a phone call that he`s sick, and he`s not on the bus.

CASAREZ: Carol, first of all, I want to tell you how sorry we are for your relative that`s been missing for 18 years, because since I`ve been doing this series, my heart goes out to you, because I can`t imagine what you have gone through and continue to go through.

As far as the school, the school says that Terri Horman said that she was taking Kyron to the doctor`s and he wasn`t going to be in school that day. Now, she refutes that.

But I want to go to Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer.

There have been so many legal documents through the temporary restraining order, through the divorce, through the contempt of court motion. And we`ve heard a little bit in those documents about Terri Horman`s feelings about Kyron.

LANCE: We have. We`ve heard a lot, actually. And some things have been a bit disturbing.

Kaine Horman, in the most recent filing that he had, said that Terri Horman was an unfit mother, that she had on undiagnosed personality disorder. He also said that she would use extreme measures to punish Kyron.

Now, these were things that were a surprise to Kyron Horman`s mother, Desiree Young. She actually gave an interview where she said that she didn`t know anything about this.

Also, Kaine Horman also revealed that Terri Horman apparently had a drinking problem, according to him. There would be days where she would come home several nights a week, and she would pass out on the couch and wake up several times throughout the night.

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YOUNG: Nighttime is extremely difficult for me. I don`t sleep well. But it`s just -- I know it sounds funny, but I can`t hear him breathe at night, and the lack of the noise is what makes it hard.

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YOUNG: I was at work. Then I got a phone call on my cell phone from Susan Hall (ph), who`s the secretary at Skyline. And she said, "You`re listed as the emergency notification for Kyron Horman." And I said, "Yes, he`s my son." And she said, "Well, I need to notify you, he`s missing."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kyron Horman`s stepmom, Terri Horman, says she last saw Kyron around 8:45 a.m. after taking him to school to show his science fair project on red tree frogs. As the fair concluded, Terri Horman claims she watched Kyron walk toward his second-grade classroom just 150 feet away, but Kyron never makes it.

HORMAN: She was one of the last people that saw him that day. And, again, it just helped associate things that were seen along with him.

YOUNG: I know she`s involved.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think she would have done this alone?

YOUNG: I don`t believe so. I think that she probably needed help.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This will not become a cold case for us. We will continue to investigate this case until we have it solved.

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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session."

Kyron Horman, the little boy with the thick glasses, so innocent, he just wanted to do his science experiment on June 4th of 2010.

Marc Klaas, founder, president of Klaas Kids Foundation, joining us tonight from San Francisco.

Marc, at this point, are they trying to find who did it, the perpetrator? Or are they trying to find Kyron to corroborate all the other evidence they have?

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: The goal always is to find the missing person. Once you find the missing person, hopefully the other pieces will fall into place. But until you find that, you never really know.

So, everybody -- and unfortunately, they`re not all working together now. Even family members seem to be working at odds with each other. There`s a lot of harsh words. But everybody is working for the same goal, and that goal is to find Kyron and bring him home.

CASAREZ: Why do you think Terri Horman has never actively searched for him?

KLAAS: Because I think Terri Horman is probably responsible for his disappearance. That`s where absolutely everything seems to point.

There were some e-mails unearthed that Desiree said exhibited a severe hatred for Kyron. Kaine has come out and said some terrible things about her. She has unaccounted for time. She seems to have failed some polygraph exams.

Her cell phone was pinging off of Sauvie Island, which it turns out is larger than Manhattan Island, which makes it a very problematic area to search. So one thing after another after another points to her, not to mention the fact that her story -- pardon me -- her story about those last moments when she saw him make absolutely no sense at all.

CASAREZ: Let`s talk about Sauvie Island, because this could be an important piece of that puzzle.

To Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer.

First of all, talk to us about the pings that were found on Sauvie Island. And how far away is this from Kyron`s school?

LANCE: It`s only about six miles away from Kyron`s school. And what reports have said early on is that Terri Horman`s cell phone pinged to a different area than which she claimed to be, and those pings coming from Sauvie Island.

Now, we went through the timeline, Ellie went through the timeline where Terri Horman says that she was all these different places. But there is a gap in that timeline, and that is between 10:15 and 11:30. And that is a gap where police are still trying to determine exactly where Terri Horman was. And we don`t know at this point because police have not revealed it, but perhaps that is where her cell phone pinged.

CASAREZ: And there have been multiple searches on Sauvie Island.

To Candy in Alabama.

Hi, Candy.

CANDY, ALABAMA: Hi. My question is on the polygraph. I understand she failed the first one. Did she fail the second one, too?

CASAREZ: All right. Good question. I do know she took one and failed it.

Ellie Jostad, NANCY GRACE producer, did she take more than one polygraph?

JOSTAD: Well, Kaine Horman, Kyron`s father, has claimed that she`s taken two polygraphs tests, actually, and walked out of a third one. Now, police won`t comment on any polygraph tests that have been given, but that is what the father is saying.

CASAREZ: All right.

To Pat Brown, criminal profiler.

You know, one thing that investigators have really focused on is this white pickup truck that they say Terri Horman was driving that morning. In fact, they passed out flyers to ask people if they saw it in the front of the school, if they saw it to the side of the school, down the road, and if this white pickup had a second person in it that morning.

Is that a key, Pat Brown?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, obviously they`re trying, in my opinion, sadly, trying to find the body of Kyron. And they believe Terri Horman -- you know, as Marc Klaas has said, everything points to Terri Horman and you can`t think of anybody else who could be involved in this.

So they`re looking at Terri Horman and what she was driving. They believe that Kyron was in that vehicle, and that she took that vehicle some place and got rid of the poor boy.

I know that`s what they believe, but they`ve got to prove it, and that`s their problem. They just don`t have the physical evidence.

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HORMAN: We don`t know where, that`s why we`re continuing to ask everyone to keep their eyes peeled, to look when they`re out and about. Just because there are some areas of focus that the media is covering, it doesn`t mean that we know where he is. We don`t.

We don`t know where he is. We need to keep looking.

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YOUNG: The biggest thing that we want is, like I said, for everyone to know who Kyron is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 7-year-old was last seen on June 4, 2010. He was walking toward his classroom after a science fair at school.

YOUNG: It`s like a portal opened up in the school and Kyron just vanished into it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Since he vanished, his father and stepmother have been in a bitter divorce battle, stemming from allegations she tried to hire a hit man to have her husband killed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you have to find Kyron before you would make an arrest?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

YOUNG: I fully believe she`s involved.

HORMAN: But to what capacity is what the investigation is trying to figure out.

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CASAREZ: We have to find Kyron Horman. It is eight months to the day that he went missing.

I want to go out to the lawyers, Joey Jackson, defense attorney, coming to us from New York, and John Manuelian, defense attorney out of Los Angeles.

To Joey Jackson, there is a divorce proceeding that is going on right now. It has been stayed, but it is going on between Kaine Horman and Terri Horman.

It`s a long story, but to put it down really quickly, after this all came down and Kyron went missing, Kaine found out through investigators that Terri allegedly had tried to hire a hit man, the landscaper, to kill him the previous December. Following that, she started allegedly having an affair with Michael Cook (ph), who he went to school with, who was the leader of Kyron`s vigil. There was sexting and texting on the phone, and that`s when he filed for divorce.

Here`s my question. There`s an abatement of the proceedings now. Both sides have stipulated that they agreed to that.

If you`re representing Kaine Horman, don`t you want to go forward with that to see what can come out, to see what can maybe help find your son?

JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Potentially. First of all, Jean, very well summed up. It`s a mouthful because there`s a lot going on here.

But, you know, there`s a lot to be said for staying the proceeding, because issues affecting divorce, as we know, there`s custody affected, there`s the future of the party that`s affected, and where there`s a missing child it certainly makes sense. On the other hand, you never know what jewels can be uncovered, but that`s for a grand jury to determine, as they have been through an extensive investigation.

So we`ll see what comes out of it, but certainly from, you know, a civil perspective, with the family and the divorce and all the rest of it, it`s going to be an ongoing never-ending story, as we can see.

CASAREZ: And John Manuelian, very quickly, doesn`t the Fifth Amendment come into play here? Because any question she`d be asked she wouldn`t answer.

JOHN MANUELIAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: As her lawyer, I would tell her to take that into account. Absolutely.

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YOUNG: Kyron, we love you and we miss you. We remain here working hard every day to get you home. Please do not be afraid because the police are going to find you.

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GRACE: Vanished into thin air.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look for her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We just need to find her.

GRACE: So many cases.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re still looking.

GRACE: So few leads.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing.

GRACE: Missing person.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s our duty to find her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The witness seen the suspect on Nancy Grace.

GRACE: There is a God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nancy Grace show was out there for us.

GRACE: Found. Alive. 50 people, 50 days, 50 nights. Let`s don`t give up.

DESIREE YOUNG, KYRON HORMAN`S MOTHER: He has a great sense of humor, and he loves to laugh. And he`s just a great kid.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His disappearance sparked the largest missing persons search in Oregon`s history. More than 155 acres have been scoured to find Kyron Horman. The bespeckled boy last seen on June 4th, 2010.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s not till the loom is silent and the shuttles cease to fly will God unroll the canvass and explain the reason why.

KAINE HORMAN, KYRON HORMAN`S FATHER: I saw him the day of the science fair that morning and gave each other a couple big hugs and just told them to have a great day at the fair and enjoy presenting his project to everybody.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One of the last known images of Kyron taken the day of his disappearance shows him smiling standing next to his science fair project on tree frogs. That photo was taken by his stepmother. She told police she last saw the boy walking toward his classroom at Skyline Elementary School, but the 2nd grader never made it there.

HORMAN: The bus driver looked at us and told us that he wasn`t on the bus today. So, we figured, well, he must still be waiting for us at school. So, she called the school on her cell phone, and that`s what we found out he hadn`t been there all day.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What went through your mind?

HORMAN: Panic.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Within eight months, there has been little to no physical evidence to clue authorities in on what happened to Kyron. The stepmother, Terri Horman, has been the focus of the investigation but never named a suspect or a person of interest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re saying that you failed two polygraph tests. Did you fail two polygraph tests?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What makes you believe that she`s lying?

YOUNG: Well, because we were there, too. We know the truth. And what she talks about is not the same.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Since he vanished, his father and stepmother have been in a bitter divorce battle stemming from allegations she tried to hire a hit man to have her husband killed. At the core of the family drama playing out in court filings is the missing, Kyron Horman.

HORMAN: Kyron, we miss you. Your school friends and their families, the teachers, the staff at your school and the community as a whole have shown how much impact one little boy`s smile can have on a community.

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GRACE: Every day, 2,300 people go missing in America, disappear, vanish. Their families left waiting, wondering, hoping, but never forgetting, and neither have we. Fifty people, 50 days, 50 nights we go live, spotlighting America`s missing children, boys and girls, mothers, fathers, grandparents. They are gone, but where?

Tonight, live, Rural Oregon, step mommy walks her 7-year-old down the hall of his elementary school. He`s never seen again. Police insist step- mommy take a second polygraph. In a stunning twist, seven-year-old Kyron`s dad files for divorce in secret and slaps step-mommy with an emergency order to stay away from her own children. Bio-mom pleads to step-mommy to please help police.

In another bizarre twist, we learned step-mommy tries to hire a hit man to murder the seven-year-old, Kyron`s father, her husband, and carries on a torrid sex affair after Kyron goes missing. Even sending X-rated photos to her lover. Despite all this, still, no sign of seven-year-old Kyron Horman. Tonight, we have not forgotten. And now, straight out to Jean Casarez. Jean, what`s the latest?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": You know, Nancy, it is eight months to the day that Kyron went missing. And this is an extremely active investigation. They have just launched a very targeted search in Rural Oregon, but I want to go out to Natisha Lance because the task force that was formed shortly after Kyron went missing has not stopped a day in the search for Kyron, and they are due to make a public report at any time, right?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right. This task force was formed back in October. It`s a nine-member multi-agency task force. And Jean, I just have to remind people it was 42 different agencies that were involved in this search for Kyron in the very beginning, but February 1st was their 120-day deadline. They were supposed to go before commissioners, and they were hoping to have some type of big development in the case by that point.

So far, nothing has been made public to us, but the chief still has yet to go before this commission group.

CASAREZ: And they have publicly said that this is the largest search for a missing person in Oregon that has ever been launched. I want to go out to John Manuelian, defense attorney, joining us from Los Angeles. You know, focus of the investigation has been this white pickup truck because authorities believed early on that it could be key because this is what Terri Horman was driving, and they asked anyone who`s at the school that day who had been to a Fred Myers Supermarket, if they had seen that car in front of the school, by the school, down the road, in the parking lot, and if a second person had been in that car.

Here`s my question to you. If there were two people involved in this little boy`s abduction, then why hasn`t one of them been charged with something like obstruction of justice? We know DeDe Spicher, a good friend of Terri Horman`s, went before the grand jury, whether she testified or not. We don`t know. She walked into the courthouse. And in some respect, can`t they loop it around to get the facts that way?

JOHN MANUELIAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, they could, but here`s I think the focal point or the interest. You have to understand that this lady had access to her step son, Mr. Kyron Horman. She could have taken him and drove him out anywhere in Oregon and have him buried. There`s a lot of connections that they need to make first. There`s a lot of things that they`re doing right now. And I think it`s premature for us to guess.

However, I would tell you that based on the fact that this lady got a criminal defense attorney, who is well known in Oregon, tends to me as a criminal defense attorney to make me believe that she had either direct or indirect involvement. At the very least, I think that she probably had some animosity or some motive to kill him based on what we`re hearing. The cruel punishments, the abusive behavior, it all points to her in the end.

CASAREZ: We`re taking your calls live. To Donna in Utah. Hi, Donna.

DONNA, UTAH: Hi. I was just wondering if when he actually disappeared or even since he disappeared, if they`ve taken search dogs into the school and searched every nook and cranny and closet and foot locker and everything in the school looking possibly if he`s in there somewhere.

CASAREZ: Very good question. I believe they have. To CW Jensen who is a retired Portland Police captain who is based there in Portland, Oregon, what about those search dogs?

CW JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: Well, at the beginning of this investigation, there was all these different ways that things could have gone, and so, we had this huge, huge search because we didn`t know if he was in the school. We didn`t know if he was on the school grounds or the area around. So, all that has been done. The searching, looking for him allegedly or perhaps alive say he wandered away from the school or did something like that.

That was completed months ago. What`s going on now is clearly, because their using cadaver dogs, is that they continue to go either to Sauvie`s Island or in the forested parts around the school looking for his body. And until that happens, and if they found him next week, I think Terri Horman would be arrested next week. If his body is not recovered for some time, then this is going to drag out for some time.

CASAREZ: Very quickly. Do you know if a scent dog initially followed his scent to a vehicle? Or walking off the elementary school campus?

JENSEN: As my understanding that there would be nothing to suggest that he wandered away from that school by himself. Remember, he went to that school every single day for nine months of that year. That`s what he did. That was his job. He liked going to school. He didn`t wander away. He was taken away.

CASAREZ: And that was the big day for him to have his science fair project.

Tonight, please help us find Danny Barter. He was 4 years old when he vanished on June 18th, 1959 from Perdido Bay, Alabama. At the time of his disappearance, he was 3 feet tall, 50 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. If you have any information, please call 251-972-8589. If your loved one`s missing and you need help, go to CNN.com/nancygrace. Send us your story. We want to help to find your loved ones.

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GRACE: Tonight, live, Rural Oregon, step mommy walks her seven-year- old down the hall of his elementary school. He`s never seen again. Police insist step-mommy take a second polygraph. In a stunning twist, seven- year-old Kyron`s dad files for divorce in secret and slaps step-mommy with an emergency order to stay away from her own children. Bio-mom pleads to step-mommy to please help police.

And another bizarre twist, we learn step-mommy tries to hire a hit man to murder the seven-year-old, Kyron`s father, her husband and carries on a torrid sex affair after Kyron goes missing. Even sending X-rated photos to her lover. Despite all this, still, no sign of seven-year-old Kyron Horman.

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KAINE HORMAN: Every day that all the strength I have will go to him and shield him from everything that`s going on right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was about 8:00 a.m. in Skyline Elementary School opened early that day, so families can look at the science fair. Around this time, stepmom, Terri Horman, enters the school with Kyron. Seven-year-old Kyron proudly poses in front of his science fair exhibit at about 8:15 a.m., but just minutes later, he would never be seen again.

YOUNG: The worst hell I`ve ever experienced. I can`t even explain it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why won`t you talk with investigators?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cell phone pings reportedly place Kyron Horman`s stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, elsewhere than she claimed to be the day of his disappearance. Terri Horman is not a suspect or a person of interest, but she is who Kyron`s parents believe to be responsible for his disappearance.

YOUNG: We (INAUDIBLE) Terri Horman to fully cooperate with the investigators to bring Kyron home.

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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez. It is eight months to the day that little Kyron Horman went to school. He had his red tree frog experiment, and then he was gone. Absolutely gone. I want to go to Kathryn Smerling, psychologist joining us tonight out of New York. What are Kyron`s parents going through every day, but on an anniversary, an eight-month anniversary of his disappearance?

KATHRYN SMERLING, PH.D., PSYCHOLOGIST: They must be so terribly frustrated. And obviously, they are frustrated, and they`re showing anger at each other which is kind of misplaced as Marc Klaas said. They really should be joined together to try and find Kyron. And anyone who plans on killing their husband, I`m speaking about Terri Horman, could certainly make a plan to kill her stepson.

CASAREZ: Well, let me ask you very quickly about Terri Horman, because Terri Horman is not a suspect. She is not a person of interest. She has not been charged with anything. What`s she going through right now? What`s going through her mind, do you think?

SMERLING: Oh, I`m sure she`s trying to find ways to defend herself, and I really shouldn`t conclude that she is guilty before she has a chance to prove that, but everything does point towards her, and if you look at, and you examine who she is, if you see pictures of her five years ago as a body builder and now today, you will see a total transformation from someone who possibly was on steroids, to someone who is drinking, and someone who has a child with a man that she is trying to kill.

What makes her -- what makes her not able to take that step further? She seems to be a very troubled person with narcissistic personality disorder, possibly borderline, and certainly with rage that cannot be tempered.

CASAREZ: To CW Jensen, retired Portland police captain, joining us from Portland, Oregon. Here`s what I want to ask you. Can you describe for us how to get from the school to Sauvie Island? Because I keep going back to Sauvie Island because allegedly pings from Terri Horman`s cell phone were found on that island about midday. Is it, what kind of a road is it, and could there be any surveillance cameras if it`s a type of highway?

JENSEN: Well, Skyline Road where the school is located doesn`t really have any cameras or anything like that like you`d find on a freeway or something like that. And it`s just a very short drive, less than probably a half a mile to get to a major road, Cornelius Pass Road, and that`s the one you take about five miles downhill and, boom, you`re at Sauvie`s Island. So, it`s actually a fairly quick drive.

CASAREZ: So, do you think there could be cameras on that major roadway you`re talking about?

JENSEN: I know the investigators have looked at all of those types of things, whether it`s, you know, ATM machines or stores, anything along those roads. And beyond just those roads down to Sauvie`s Island, they`ve looked, you know, anywhere that they thought a camera could be. That`s something that`s very common these days.

CASAREZ: Exactly. Now, the Columbia River surrounds the island, yes, no?

JENSEN: Yes.

CASAREZ: OK.

JENSEN: Yes. It`s very rural. A lot of farms. Things like that.

CASAREZ: From your investigations that you have done throughout the years in that area, how often are bodies located in this fast moving river? Do they float up to the top, go to the side?

JENSEN: Yes. Generally, what will happen is if someone is killed, and they`re dumped in water, over time, the bacteria in your body creates gases and that`s why we have bodies that, you know, pop up, especially after the wintertime. In the springtime, you know, you`ll get bodies popping up in water because they warm up and those gases raise up. Now, you know, if it`s shallow or things like that, I mean, the water, you know, causes the body to decompose even faster.

CASAREZ: This current search that they just undertook in Rural Portland area, tell us where that is in relation to Sauvie Island. Is it opposite direction?

JENSEN: Well, no, I mean, all this is kind of in the same area. There`s a very large urban park in Portland called Forest Park. So, there`s a lot -- I mean, it`s like a wilderness right in the middle of the city. So, I mean, it`s forest. There`s animals. There`s all sorts of things in there. So, all these things are happening somewhere kind of focused around Skyline School, but it`s just that right around that school, you`ve just got a lot of forest land and a lot of places where you could be dumped.

CASAREZ: And we want to tell everybody, authorities are continuing in time with this targeted search.

Tonight, "CNN Heroes."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Growing up in Texas, football is very important. It`s like a religion. You get the adrenaline going. You want to win.

EDDIE CANALES, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: It was senior night. Chris was having the game of his life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was the fourth quarter. I made a touchdown saving tackle. I heard my teammates saying Chris, come on, let`s go. I can`t move.

CANALES: You don`t want to even think that your son may never walk again. That was a hard pill to swallow.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Around my one-year anniversary, I was going through a lot of depression.

CANALES: I said, let`s go to a football game.

We ended up watching another young man suffer a spinal cord injury.

Chris, he turns to me said, dad, we`ve got to go help him. I`m Eddie Canales. My goal is to be there for young men that have suffered spinal cord injuries playing high school football.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When we hear about an injury, we go to the families as soon as we can.

CANALES: Since we started, we worked with 19 families just in the state of Texas.

We help them with ramps in their homes, a wheelchair accessible vehicles.

We`re ready to roll.

It`s a very expensive injury. Someone injured on the professional level is going to be taken care of, but on a high school level, it`s a totally different story. We wanted to make sure that these kids are not forgotten.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re a band of brothers. Our biggest bond is football.

CANALES: They were on the gridiron, but they never quit. They`ve never given up. That`s what keeps me pushing.

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GRACE: These are the faces of America`s missing. Every 30 seconds, another child, sister, brother, father, mother, disappears. Families left behind, waiting, hoping. We have not forgotten.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kristina Branum was last seen in 2006 in Savannah, Tennessee. She may go by the name Kris and be in the company of an adult male.

Ricky Lane Thomas Jr. was 13 years. He disappeared from Bristow, Indiana. He was reportedly headed to a cousin`s home and seen on the way with his two puppies. A few days later, the dogs return home, but Ricky was never heard from again, according to his half sister.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They searched in the cave, horseback riding, four wheelers. The community had pulled themselves together. A lot of family had pulled themselves together and walked through the woods and searched for any evidence of Ricky, And no evidence was found. his wallet was reported to be on his table in his room, and he always takes his wallet.

My brother was a fun, outgoing, loving person. We played race cars together. He was a prankster. He would go hide things and jump out in the dark with a mask on. He was a good person. He was a kid. He was living life. If my brother`s gone, I want my brother`s body to be laid to rest where it belongs, and I just want justice.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you have any information, call 1-800-the lost.

Brenda Apalicio was 39 when she vanished from Albuquerque, New Mexico. She was last seen in 2003 in her relative`s home. Brenda has a tattoo on her right shoulder saying sad eyes.

Asha Degree disappeared from her own bedroom in the middle of the night. Although, foul play is suspected, her mother remains hopeful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I pushed open that bedroom door, only person in the room was my son. And I asked him where was his sister? He was like, she`s in her bed. No, she`s not in her bed. So, we searched the house. She was not in my house. We honestly believe that she did walk out of our house. Two different motorists saw her in that area, and I believe that after the second car seen her that somebody actually put her in the car.

I don`t know who or where, but that`s been my belief for the last 11 years that somebody picked her up that morning. I have faith in God and I have enough faith to believe that if my child was not still alive, that the Lord would let me know one way or the other that she`s no longer on this earth with us. I`m expecting any day that she could walk in my house.

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GRACE: I`m Nancy Grace. See you tomorrow night, 9 o`clock sharp eastern. And until then, we will be looking. Keep the faith, friend.

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