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Texas Teen Baby-Sitter Strangled; Brad Lamm on His Latest Book

Aired January 26, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Lubbock, Texas. A 15-year-old girl leaves home to baby-sit and vanishes. Cops say runaway, but in a stunning twist obtain grainy surveillance video showing the teen forced against her will into a local motel room, then into a parking lot. Never seen again. The video clearly showing the girl cowering in fear of her kidnapper. Prime suspect, the daddy, the daddy of the little children she baby-sat.

We learn police investigating a link between this and another teen disappearance, Hailey Dunn, the 13-year-old cheerleader. The search for 15-year-old Elizabeth comes to an end, the baby-sitter`s body found left in a field next to a shed 10 miles north of Lubbock.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, we learn COD, cause of death, the little baby-sitter asphyxiated, strangled to death. All indicators she was murdered before even being reported missing. Our sources also say the girl likely assaulted, molested, as well.

In a shocking twist, the prime suspect there comforting the baby- sitter`s family, there when the girl`s mother breaks down sobbing, her body heaving over her missing girl. He, the suspect, even files the missing person report, all the while knowing the little baby-sitter who watched his children is lying dead in a field. Tonight, we want justice.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police announce this morning (INAUDIBLE) was strangled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The cause of death is asphyxia with strangulation. The manner of death is classified as a homicide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They did confirm that she was strangled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re very confident with our cause of death, as well as the manner.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He took her there to the hotel. There`s evidence that he left, then came back a while later.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Surveillance video taken at the Carriage House. It`s a motel. They say it shows Salinas forcing Ennen into a motel room, chasing her down the hallway, cornering her, forcing her out to the parking lot in his car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He left with her. We believe during that time that he killed her. There`s evidence to suggest that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Elizabeth was strangled.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Live, Lubbock. A 15-year-old girl leaves home to baby-sit and vanishes. In the last hours, we learn cause of death, the baby-sitter asphyxiated, strangled to death. All indicators she was murdered before even being reported missing. Our sources also say the girl likely molested, as well.

And in a disgusting twist, the prime suspect there comforting Elizabeth`s family, there when the girl`s mother breaks down sobbing, heaving over her missing girl. He even files a missing person report, all the while knowing the little baby-sitter who watched his children is lying dead out in a field.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) the investigation. All I can say is that we`re very confident that it was an asphyxial event and it involved strangulation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know how she died.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was strangled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Asphyxia with strangulation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We believe that, unfortunately, she was a homicide victim prior to the initial call to police.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The surveillance videos. They do tell us in the affidavit what she was like. She was quivering in the corner. She was trying to get away from Salinas.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The person we believe is responsible for her death began the process of covering up a crime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The cause of death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was strangled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s our detectives` hard work that led to the discovery of the body and that will eventually lead to a charge of murder for the person responsible for her death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The autopsy in its preliminary stage was completed yesterday evening, and the cause of death (INAUDIBLE) this morning is asphyxia with strangulation. The manner of death is classified as a homicide.

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GRACE: We take you live now to Lubbock, Texas. We are taking your calls live. Joining us from KAMC, Stephanie Berzinski. Stephanie, how did we learn cause of death is asphyxiation?

STEPHANIE BERZINSKI, KAMC CORRESPONDENT: Nancy, the medical examiner -- we sat in on the hour-long press conference this morning, and he said that it was asphyxiation by strangulation, but they won`t release details as to whether it was with his hands or some sort of item. What they did say was that the body was in a -- preserved, pretty much -- pretty good condition. And no arrest warrant, though, has been issued for murder in this case yet.

GRACE: OK. Let me ask you this. Stephanie, if there was an hour- long conference with the medical examiner, how come nobody knows whether she was raped?

BERZINSKI: They won`t confirm or deny that she was raped. They said they`re keeping that -- they`re keeping the details of that -- they`re not letting it out because they want to preserve the case and they want the tightest case they can to take this man to court.

GRACE: Well, you know what? That doesn`t even make sense. Unleash - - I`m not saying you`re wrong. I`m saying that, legally, that doesn`t really make sense because -- you know what? Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Susan moss, child advocate, New York, John Burris, famed defense attorney, San Francisco, Alan Ripka, defense attorney, New York.

You know, first to you, John Burris. Take off your defense hat just one moment. What`s there to keep close to the vest? They`ve got the guy in jail. They`ve already prepared a murder warrant. Maybe they haven`t arrested him on it yet because he`s behind bars. So what are they keeping close to the vest? What`s to hide?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, as soon as there is a sexual assault -- it may be that they don`t want to inflame the jury pool and the public so much out there that he cannot ultimately get a fair trial and may want to have a jury change of venue. I can see that as a possible motive for keeping it under.

GRACE: OK, number one, we don`t have a jury pool yet. You don`t have a jury pool...

BURRIS: We don`t, but we may later.

GRACE: ... until (INAUDIBLE) call to the courthouse. You said you don`t want to inflame the jury pool. But Susan Moss, how long can you keep an autopsy report, a public document -- I pay that medical examiner. The people of Texas pay him. He works for them. They can`t hide things unless a judge seals the record. That has not happened.

I`ll tell you my theory. She was raped. They got a way (ph), what, 72 hours to get a DNA match on the semen they found in her body or on her body, and then they`re going to add that to the indictment. What do you think?

SUSAN MOSS, VICTIMS RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Oh, absolutely. Freedom of Information Act. This is going to come out. But they can take their time and go slow. This guy`s in jail. He`s got nowhere to go. They`re trying to make sure that everything is tidily (ph) tied before they go before the grand jury again.

GRACE: Ripka?

ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think the idea is to tell the public everything you found. And the reason that you do that is it may drive witnesses who may have heard something, know something, to come to the police and help out.

GRACE: I want to go back to what we know tonight. There you`re seeing the shed. By this broken-down shed out in the middle of basically nowhere, this little girl`s body is dumped. And then we find out -- and I`ve got to have somebody explain this timeline because I`m standing on my ear about this. This guy -- he`s behind bars on a kidnap. He`s about to be charged with murder one by a grand jury and probably rape two on a 15- year-old baby-sitter. He`s with the family down there filing the missing person`s report. The mom is doubled over crying. This baby-sitter has baby-sat for his children for a long time. They`ve known this family 15 years. Since the time this little girl was born, his wife has known this family.

Ellie Jostad, what is he, the prime suspect, in a child`s murder -- what is he doing down there with his arm all around the mother trying to comfort her?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, police took a lot of heat today at this news conference over their handling of this case. And what they continue to stress was that this suspect was there when they took that initial report. They understood that this was a trusted friend of the family. They said that the family appeared to believe everything that Salinas was saying. And they say from the minute they started taking that report, he was actively trying to mislead them, lead them away from the truth in this investigation.

GRACE: Hey, don`t get me wrong, Ellie Jostad. I`m not saying this is the cops` fault. I`m saying this guy is a freak. I don`t mean in the legal sense that he`s insane. I mean he knows, by all the evidence so far, that he has likely raped the little girl -- the baby-sitter, for Pete`s sake, the baby-sitter, murdered her, dumped her body out by a shed. He`s thrown the cops off the course by coming up with his bogus story about what happened that night. And he`s there with his arms around the mother, who`s doubled over crying.

To Dr. Srini Pillay, Harvard psychiatrist, author of "Life Unlocked," joining me out of Boston. Dr. Pillay, you got to help me out here. How do you do that? How do you murder a little child, and then you`re there filing a missing person`s report and trying to help comfort the girl`s mother?

DR. SRINI PILLAY, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, Nancy, I think I`m definitely with you on how shocking that is. But I think in the context of this case, one of the questions that arises is, Does this man have antisocial personality disorder, which psychologically translates to, Is he a sociopath? And what we know about sociopaths is a couple things that may help explain this. The first thing is with sociopaths, when we actually look at their brains, their empathy circuits do not activate as well as the general population. So this can explain in part why...

GRACE: Their what? Their what don`t activate?

PILLAY: Their brain circuits for empathy. So they do not have empathy...

GRACE: OK...

PILLAY: ... and their brain circuits for empathy are not working, as well.

GRACE: Dr. Pillay, no offense because I know you`re a Harvard psychiatrist. You`ve got diplomas out the ying-yang. But when you tell me their circuitry in their brain doesn`t work -- come on!

Pat brown, help me out here!

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, (via telephone): Well, I`m not surprised that he`d do that because he is a psychopath and psychopaths are manipulative. And he was basically covering up his crime.

What appalls me just absolutely -- reading this case just made me insane -- is first of all, the family knew this man forever. So they had to know that he injured his baby so severely that he spent 12 years in prison, that he tried to stab another man and that he (INAUDIBLE) beat up his wife.

I mean, this man is a violent psychopath. On top of that, the police -- here`s the guy, last person to be seen with her. Can`t they do an NCIC check and find out that this guy is a violent felon? It makes no sense to me. Poorly handled.

GRACE: You are looking at the face -- let me just put it out there -- of the devil, OK? I`m sure the defense attorneys disagree with me. But according to police, this is the man that took the little baby-sitter watching his children, likely raped her, then strangled her and threw her body out by a broken-down shed out in the middle of nowhere. Then he goes with the girl`s mommy to file the missing person`s report, having his arm all up around her, giving her a handkerchief. Now he`s looking at a murder one charge and likely the Texas death penalty.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Humberto Salinas, Jr., was present when that initial call was made. At that point, the person that we believe is responsible for her death began the process of covering up a crime which we believe he had already committed. And what`s significant there is that he began then misdirecting the investigation.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Elizabeth went to baby-sit at the Carriage House motel for who we believe are the children for Mr. Salinas. He took her there to the hotel. There`s evidence that he left, then came back a while later. Some time later, he came back. He left with her. We believe during that time that he killed her. There`s evidence to suggest that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The cause of death is asphyxia with strangulation. The manner of death is classified as a homicide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The person that we believe is responsible for her death began the process of covering up a crime which we believe he had already committed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was found in a -- near a cotton field out in the middle of nowhere. Actually, her body was found in brush next to an abandoned, dilapidated shack. And police are telling us they believe it`s been there for quite some time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The body had adequate preservation, and we had no problems with the scientific identification. I believe there were two other questions brought up regarding the autopsy. One was whether there was -- the type of strangulation. Since we`re in an open investigation, what I can say is that we are very confident that it was an asphyxial event and it involved a strangulation.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Straight back to Stephanie Berzinski with KAMC. Didn`t the mother of this little girl speak to the cops way back on the 18th?

BERZINSKI: Nancy, we actually sat down and interviewed her on the 18th. She came in. And that`s when her daughter was still listed as an endangered runaway. And when I spoke to her, she told me -- I asked her, you know, Where was your daughter that night? And she told me the Carriage House motel. And I said, OK, what was she doing there? Baby-sitting for close friends. And then she went on and talked about Salinas and how he was the last one to have seen her, came by with the purse.

Well, then, if you take a close look at the affidavit, it says that Virginia Ennen was seen on tape at 2:0 AM at the motel, and yet police are telling us that the mother never mention when she was interviewed, when she filed that missing person`s report, that her daughter was at the Carriage motel. There`s a lot of discrepancies here.

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad. I want to talk about this alleged perpetrator, the family friend now charged with murdering the little girl who baby-sat his children, most likely after raping her. He also misdirected police.

JOSTAD: Yes, that`s right, Nancy. Police say that he gave them a different location of where she was that night. And he also told them -- he`s the person that put the bug in their ear that she might be with his son. So police were actually following that lead. They were staking out the younger Salinas. And it wasn`t until they eliminated him that they started focusing on the father.

GRACE: So they`re actually spending their police man hour tailing the 18-year-old boy because the father put them on that, right?

JOSTAD: Yes, that`s right, Nancy. And police had told us yesterday that they initially believed that the daughter could be with this 18-year- old or 19-year-old man. That`s why they were focusing on him. They were focusing on friends of hers and pursuing that avenue.

GRACE: We are firing up the lines when we get back. The lines are lit up. Take a look at this guy. His name, Humberto Salinas, Jr., the daddy, the father, the children the little 15-year-old girl was baby- sitting. I guess we`ll all think twice before letting our girls go out and baby-sit another time.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Through the follow-up investigation, our detectives determined that there were some problems with the story that Salinas was giving. Through the investigation, they determined that -- that he was likely involved in her disappearance.

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VIRGINIA ENNEN, MOTHER OF VICTIM: I mean, yes, I`ve met him before. And he didn`t -- I mean, he seemed to be nice. I mean, I don`t know. I mean, never dreamed this. I mean, I wouldn`t have ever thought -- because they (INAUDIBLE) Carmen has always treated my kids just like they were her kids. And that`s what he has in the past, is treated them like they were his, too. You know, they were good to them. I just -- I don`t know. I just don`t understand!

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GRACE: The mother of the little baby-sitter, her body found 10 miles north of Lubbock, near a broken-down shed. We learned today the cause of death, the COD, is asphyxiation, strangulation. We don`t know if it is manual, by hand, by ligature. We`re not certain it wasn`t smothering, but we do believe it was asphyxiation due to strangulation.

To Dr. Holly Phillips, doctor internal medicine, joining us out of New York. Dr. Phillips, thank you for being with us. If you look at the body of this little girl, how can you determine whether it was manual or ligature strangulation?

DR. HOLLY PHILLIPS, INTERNAL MEDICINE: Sure. Well, Nancy, even though police are not releasing that information, I`m sure they know it. With a manual strangulation, you`re really looking for multiple areas of bruising, maybe even abrasion on the neck and damage to the cartilage in multiple areas. With a ligature, you might only see one particular area, and you`re likely to see an abrasion on the neck. And with the smothering, the neck itself might be in perfect condition, but you can find from the brain and from the lungs that the person was, in fact, smothered.

GRACE: Based on what has been said -- and I`m reading it straight out of a quote, talking about the defendant, Humberto Salinas, "He sat there and looked me in the eyes. He is the devil, that he had the audacity to show his face." I am talking about one of Elizabeth`s cousins. And the cousin is talking about the father of the little children she was baby- sitting.

Out to Lourdes in California. Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thank God for an angel (INAUDIBLE) Nancy Grace speaks up for the victims.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just wondering -- I had a question you answered already, but I have another question. Where was his children all this time?

GRACE: Where were his children all this time? Let`s go to Michael Board, WOAI Newsradio. Michael, go through the whole evening with me in a nutshell -- the bingo, the picking up the sister, the whole shebang.

MICHAEL BOARD, WOAI NEWSRADIO: This started on the -- actually, she came over to baby-sit on January 4th. It was right about 10:00 o`clock that Humberto arrived home. They believe there was a chase between the hallways. The actual murder police believe happened between 12:00 and 12:30 on the 5th.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police announced this morning she was strangled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The cause of death is asphyxia with strangulation. The manner of death is classified as a homicide.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They did confirm that she was strangled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are very confident with our cause of death as well as the manner.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He took her there to the hotel. There`s evidence that he left then. Came back awhile later.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Surveillance video taken at the Carriage House. It`s a motel. They say it shows Salinas forcing Ennen into a motel room. Chasing her down the hallway. Cornering her. Forcing her out to the parking lot in his car.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He left with her. We believe during that time that he killed her. There`s evidence to suggest that.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Elizabeth was strangled.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: When Virginia Ennen told him Elizabeth had never stepped inside, Salinas even offered his help to find her.

VIRGINIA ENNEN, MOM OF MISSING TEEN FOUND DEAD, ELIZABETH ENNEN: I was like, you are kidding me. Told me -- he took off looking around the neighborhood and looking anywhere and everywhere we could think of.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The evidence that`s on Elizabeth as well as conducting the autopsy, there`s very little that would hinder us from making definitive conclusions as to what took place.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: We are taking your calls.

I want to go back out to Stephanie Berzinski, KAMC.

For those of you just joining us tonight, we learned the cause of death on a teen babysitter. Behind bars tonight, waiting on a murder indictment, the father -- the daddy of the little children she was babysitting. A friend of the family.

Her body found abandoned out in a field next to a broken down shed.

Stephanie Berzinski, KAMC, to answer the caller`s question, Lourdes in California, where were the children? Were there even any children in the motel room that night that she babysat?

STEPHANIE BERZINSKI, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE KAMC: Nancy, the affidavit -- according to the affidavit, at 1:23 a.m., the children are seen leaving the hotel on video with the father. He then goes from the hotel to Elizabeth`s home. And that`s when he comes up with that whole story of, oh, she left her purse in the floorboard of my car. I dropped her off 15 minutes ago.

So the children -- according to the affidavit, if you followed it along, he went out, killed Elizabeth, left the children behind in the hotel, and then came back, picked up his children and that`s when he started covering his tracks.

GRACE: I want to go to Steve Kardian, former police detective. Lead instructor at the Defend University. He`s joining us out of New York.

Steve, what should cops be doing right now other than keeping secret what`s in the autopsy report?

STEVE KARDIAN, FMR. POLICE DETECTIVE, SELF-DEFENSE EXPERT, LEAD INSTRUCTOR AT DEFEND UNIVERSITY: Well, they are keeping secret what`s in the autopsy report for a reason. And it`s probably to match the DNA. As you said earlier.

However, they are going to be looking at cell phone records. They`re going to be looking at any video surveillance that would indicate that he was in or about returning from the area in which her body was found.

And they are going to go back and they are going to take a close look again at everything that happened at that motel between the time he left the motel and showed up at her house reporting her missing.

GRACE: Out to you, Ellie Jostad. I want to go through the timeline again. And this time if you could include when the missing person`s report was filed.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Right.

GRACE: And when the suspect misled the cops with all those wild goose chases.

JOSTAD: Right, Nancy. Well, this is the late evening of January 4th, going into early morning of January 5th. It`s just after midnight that that missing person report is filed. Now we know that the suspect -- and this is from the surveillance video police tell us about in the indictment.

We know that he left about three times back and forth to the hotel. As Stephanie pointed out, he is seen leaving with his children at one point. He comes back with his wife and her sister. Then later he is seen on that video actually meeting up with the victim`s mother.

So it`s around that point. But at this point we`re up to about 2:00 a.m. that that missing person`s report is filed.

GRACE: Back to the lines. Melissa in Pennsylvania. Hi, Melissa.

MELISSA, CALLER FROM PENNSYLVANIA: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

MELISSA: OK. I just wanted to let you know first that I think you are wonderful. Thank you for speaking out for these innocent victims and --

GRACE: Thank you.

MELISSA: -- out to Marc Klaas as well. I don`t know if he`s with you tonight. But to take such a terrible tragedy that he dealt with and turn it into something wonderful.

GRACE: He did.

MELISSA: He is a wonderful man.

GRACE: He is.

MELISSA: And I`d like him to know that, as well as -- you`re wonderful as well. Thank you both. But my question is about the surveillance videos. You keep hearing how she was noticed on the video being forced down the hall, you know, put in the corner. She`s trying to get her shoes on and her coat.

Aren`t these videos being watched as things are happening, and, you know, maybe they would have been stopped at the door and questioned as to what was going on? And you know maybe she would have never ended up being taken out of the hotel.

GRACE: You know, Stephanie Berzinski, that`s a really good question from Melissa in Pennsylvania. Nobody is sitting at a security desk watching what`s going on?

BERZINSKI: Nancy, we weren`t told whether or not anyone was sitting there watching that surveillance video. As far as we know it was just taped.

GRACE: Back to the line, Sheeba in Illinois. Hi, Sheeba.

SHEEBA, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, sweetie. And I`m like the previous callers. If it wasn`t for you and your staff, there wouldn`t be a lot of people left right now.

GRACE: Thank you.

SHEEBA: OK. My question -- I`ve changed my question.

GRACE: OK.

SHEEBA: I know, I know Texas has the death penalty. Now this guy is going to come into court, and this highly ticks me off, with a bulletproof vest. Now if he gets shot in that courtroom, Nancy, I have no sympathy for him. And a great deal of sympathy for the mother that did it.

GRACE: You know what, Sheeba, I imagine that a lot of juries would and have agreed with you in the past.

Speaking of the death penalty, Susan Moss, Alan Ripka, John Burris. Of course, we know that in Texas, the mode of execution is now lethal injection. However, there`s got to be an aggravating circumstance. Kidnapping or rape would definitely qualify.

What about it, Sue Moss?

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Absolutely. The rape is if -- in fact it did happen is an aggravated sexual assault, and it is one of the listed factors that would turn this from just a murder case to a capital murder case. And this sociopath deserves our wrath.

GRACE: What about it, Ripka?

ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Texas has executed, I think, the most prisoners in our country, and I have no doubt, unfortunately as a defense attorney, that this jury would put this guy away and sentence him to death.

GRACE: What about it, John Burris?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. I also think that just kidnapping itself is an aggravating factor as well. So death penalty is what he will be -- he`s looking at. The defense lawyer in this case has a real challenge to try to keep him from getting the death penalty. But he has a real fight.

And I think the sociopathic aspect of his coming back and dealing with the mom will be the linchpin that ultimately will -- the jury will find no sympathy for him. They will turn their heads on this person in a minute.

GRACE: Joining us tonight is a special guest. It is Elizabeth Ennen`s aunt, Lily Huckabee.

LILY HUCKABEE, AUNT OF MURDERED TEEN BABYSITTER, ELIZABETH ENNEN: Yes.

GRACE: Miss Huckabee, thank you so much for being with us. Tell me how her parents are doing. How is Elizabeth`s mom tonight?

HUCKABEE: She`s doing really well. It`s -- she`s holding on the best she can to make some tough decisions that we`re having to make.

GRACE: Let me ask you this, did the family know Humberto Salinas? It`s my understanding you told us the other night they had known his wife for 15 years. But not necessarily him?

HUCKABEE: No, ma`am. He`s been in the picture for about six years. But we had no idea of his criminal background.

GRACE: In fact, he`s brought the girl home on many occasions safely from babysitting, right?

HUCKABEE: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Well, what, if anything, did the family know about Humberto Salinas?

HUCKABEE: That he was married to Carmen. That they had two children together. That he was working and supporting his family. As best he could. He wasn`t -- he never appeared, or my family never saw any of the violent tendencies that is coming out now. He always presented himself very respectful.

GRACE: Where did he work, Lily? Where did he work?

HUCKABEE: He -- I believe he was a welder.

GRACE: You are looking at the face of pure evil, according to police. Humberto Salinas Jr., the father of the little children she babysat, now accused of kidnapping, facing a grand jury indictment on murder of a teen babysitter. Likely raping her as well.

Her body found discarded, abandoned, thrown away like trash out in a field near a broken down shed. This girl is gone. Then going to police with the girl`s mother to report her missing, all the while knowing she was lying in a field dead.

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ENNEN: He dropped her off at 1:30. But she just never came in.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since we`re in an open investigation, all I can say is we are very confident that it was an asphyxial event and it involved strangulation.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: We know how she died.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She was strangled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Asphyxia with strangulation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We believe that, unfortunately, she was a homicide victim prior to the initial call to police.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The surveillance videos, they do tell us in the affidavit what she was like. She was quivering in the corner. She was trying to get away from Salinas.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The person that we believe is responsible for her death began the process of covering up a crime.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Cause of death, she was strangled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s our detectives` hard work that led to the discovery of the body and that will eventually lead to a charge of murder for the person responsible for her death.

ENNEN: Yes, I`ve met him before, and he seemed to be nice. I mean, I don`t know -- I mean, never dreamed this. I mean, I wouldn`t have ever thought because they treated -- Carmen has always treated my kids just like they were her kids.

And that`s what he has in the past, he`s treated them like they were his, too. You know they were good to them. I just -- don`t know. I just don`t understand.

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GRACE: I`ve been researching about the little babysitter now found dead, likely raped at the hands of the father whose children she was babysitting. I find out that she loved school. She loved poetry, writing poetry. She loved music. Always writing poetry or listening to music.

She studied all the time. And the members of her family have been to the funeral home to plan the little girl`s funeral and burial. The birthday of one of her sister -- of one of her brother`s is this Saturday. So the mom doesn`t want to have the funeral on his birthday. That he`s taking this very, very hard. That he is a senior -- a high school senior at the same school where she is.

I want to go to Lily Huckabee. This is Elizabeth`s aunt joining us from Lubbock, Texas.

Lily, what are they telling the family about this guy?

HUCKABEE: Now it`s come out that he -- when he saw the police department doing their search in the area that they were searching, he got scared and admitted that he had put the body and took the officers to the body.

GRACE: So he actually led them to her body?

HUCKABEE: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Does he have a defense attorney?

HUCKABEE: I`m not sure at this time.

GRACE: Does her mother know that there is hotel surveillance video of him grabbing -- chasing her and grabbing the girl, forcing her into the motel room an hour or so later they emerge.

She`s trying to put her on coat, trying to put on her shoes. Trying to get down the hall and he goes out and grabs her again, forcing her into the parking lot? My guess is that that is when he went and killed her when she said I`m telling my mom.

HUCKABEE: We were not aware of the surveillance video until the morning of the 21st.

GRACE: I understand that there is a Salinas defense attorney named Jeffrey Nicholson who is his attorney on the aggravated kidnapping charge so far.

Have they told the mom, Lily Huckabee, when they expect a murder charge to come down?

HUCKABEE: No, ma`am. It`s still an open investigation, and the DA is going to present it to the next grand jury.

GRACE: Lily, Miss Huckabee, please tell me about this girl, about Elizabeth. I mean, I`ve researched her myself to find out what I could about her. But what was she like in life? What was she saving up her babysitting money for?

HUCKABEE: She was a very loving and caring child. She was very shy. She was saving up babysitting money to buy what teenagers do. CDs and things that teenagers want, MP3 players. And, you know, trying to teach her the value of a dollar.

She learned how to earn money. So she was doing what she could to get the extras that she wanted.

GRACE: What grade was she in, tenth?

HUCKABEE: She was a sophomore, yes, ma`am.

GRACE: What did she love at school? What can you tell me about her?

HUCKABEE: She was very involved in the choir. She loved to sing. She loved music. She was just a very loving -- loving little girl.

GRACE: I know she`s got one brother and that he`s taking this very hard.

HUCKABEE: She has two brothers.

GRACE: Uh-huh.

HUCKABEE: She has a brother who is 10, and he is taking it really hard and lashing out. And then she has a brother who turns 18 this coming Saturday. And he`s taking it really hard.

GRACE: So the little brother --

HUCKABEE: It`s hard to take it.

GRACE: The 10-year-old brother is lashing out? In what way?

HUCKABEE: He`s just -- he`s very -- he`s withdrawn from himself. I mean, he`s lashing out at people. He`s become indecisive. He doesn`t want to leave his mother`s side. But then he`s -- you know, he`s wanting Elizabeth to come home. He won`t let her go on and take down the Christmas tree until Lizzy comes home.

GRACE: If you want to help pay for this funeral, and the family needs help, American State Bank, Elizabeth Ennen Benefit Act -- that would be account. A-C-T. PO Box 1401. Lubbock, 79408. Or just call 806-767-7000.

Her little brother says he`s not taking down the Christmas tree until Elizabeth comes home.

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BRAD LAMM, CERTIFIED INTERVENTIONIST, AUTHOR OF "JUST 10 LBS": Sort of the holy grail of helping people change what they eat and how they live with food. So that`s where we`re going to start and that`s where we`re going to finish.

Over 60 days we`re going to go through about 30 -- about 30 American cities and really try to reframe the conversation and amplify the message that if you start with just 10 pounds you can change the way you live and eat.

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GRACE: Sixty days with Dr. Oz. And with me tonight the guy who masterminded that, Brad Lamm. You know Brad very well. Board certified interventionist. Author of "Just 10 LBS." Here he is.

And the thing about Brad Lamm is, this isn`t his first endeavor at trying to change people`s lives. This isn`t just about losing weight. This is about the way you think, the way you live, how you look at life.

OK, Brad Lamm, tell me.

LAMM: Nancy Grace, thanks for having me on. You know -- and that`s are diets fail, is because they don`t address the behavioral piece, the emotion piece. They just address the food that we put into our bodies. And I see people try and fail diets all the time.

And in "Just 10 LBS" I put together all the behavioral science that -- from not only my own life, because I used to be heavy, and you know, addicted for years, too. So I struggled with it in my own life, and I`ve helped a lot of people change, too.

And you can lose just 10 pounds in 30 days. And I want you to do that because it`s actionable and you really can accomplish it.

GRACE: Let me ask you something, Brad Lamm. You listen to so many people`s problems as an interventionist. How do you stay so positive?

LAMM: Well, I`ll tell you. Look, I kind of look at what I do as paying it forward. I`m the luckiest guy on the block because I get to help people live better lives. And as I travel across the country, Nancy, we are heavier than we have ever been. Seventy-two million Americans are obese or overweight, and we`re dying from the fat.

GRACE: You know, Brad, tell me about it. I`m still talking about it. I still blame it on being pregnant. OK? They just turned 3.

Everybody, the book is "Just 10 LBS."

LAMM: Thanks, Nancy.

GRACE: The man, Brad Lamm. It`s on our Web site. And you can see how to order it there.

Let`s stop and remember Army Captain James Gurbisz, 25, Edenton, New York, killed Iraq. Awarded Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Iraq Campaign Medal. A West Point grad, mechanical engineer, buried at Arlington. Loved rugby, remembered for magnetic personality.

Leaves behind parents Kenneth and Helen. Sister Kathleen. Widow Tory.

James Gurbisz, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you.

And happy 15th to furry friend, canine crime fighter Terry -- Teddy. Isn`t he handsome?

Happy birthday, Teddy.

And we need your help. New York friend Susan Barron battles breast cancer, comes home and is brutally attacked on the streets of New York. She needs help paying her many, many medical bills.

To donate go to Friends of Susan Barron, PO Box 286, 527 3rd Avenue, New York, 10016.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp Eastern.

And tonight, our prayers with the family of the little babysitter.

We`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.

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