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NANCY GRACE

Report Remains Found in Zahra Search

Aired November 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, North Carolina. The little 10-year-old girl, Zahra -- the girl we`ve been looking for for over a month, the brave little girl who walked with a prosthetic leg and heard the world through hearing aids after battling bone cancer -- portions of 10-year-old Zahra`s remains have been found.

Straight out to you, Jean Casarez. What`s happening?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Nancy, the reports are that, sadly, human remains have been found. Now, officials will not confirm this, but those at the site are reporting that human remains have been found at that Dudley Shoals Road site. They say that a large hole was dug, 30 feet wide, 2-and- a-half feet deep. Evidence flags were put there. And now the evidence that on the record is saying could be extremely significant is going to the state bureau of investigation.

GRACE: Jean, explain to me what you know, when it happened, where it happened. It`s my understanding that police dug a big hole that`s about 10 feet by 4 to 6 feet, and then inside that hole, they found or dug another, smaller hole. And also, Jean, it`s our understanding from our sources that her body is not intact.

CASAREZ: That`s right, Nancy. You`re talking partial remains. In addition to that, the dirt that was found from that hole, that very large hole, it was taken from the scene. And this was all found yesterday, Nancy, close to midday. And that is corroborative, Nancy, with the no-fly zone that suddenly came about. No news helicopter could fly above that area, and that also corroborates with a medical examiner going to that scene.

GRACE: So the no-fly zone went up at about the time that you believe the remains were found, Jean?

CASAREZ: I think it`s very, very close in time. It was around close to midday yesterday, on Wednesday.

GRACE: You know, Jean, we should have put two and two together. We thought bones had been found last night. And today, sources are telling us partial remains -- partial remains -- which by all indications suggest that this child was dismembered.

CASAREZ: That`s right. That`s right. And in addition to that, Nancy, this is an area where there are animals, wild animals. And as we know from other cases, remains are scattered when wild animals are apparent in that area. They are not complete remains when they are ultimately found.

GRACE: Jean Casarez, where are police now?

CASAREZ: Nancy, they`re holding this evidence. This is Veterans Day, so they are holding this evidence right now. The state bureau of investigation is closed. They will open at 9:00 o`clock sharp tomorrow morning. That evidence is going into the state bureau of investigation to determine how relevant this is. But once again, the reports are saying on the ground that partial remains of Zahra Baker have been found.

GRACE: Out to Alexis Weed, our producer standing by where the remains have been found in Granite Falls, North Carolina. We are taking your calls live. We have breaking news tonight. It is the news that we had not wanted to report. We believe that the remains of Zahra have been found. They are not intact. In other words, apparently, the child has been dismembered. That has been a suspicion of many criminologists from the beginning.

Alexis Weed, standing by, Granite Falls. What can you tell me, Alexis?

ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, now, when you think about it, these two search locations, the Christie Road location and the location where we are here, near the Dudley Road site, they`re five miles apart. So this hole that Jean was talking about, this 10 foot wide by 10 foot wide hole with a smaller hole inside -- that`s where we are now. We`re close by here. But you know, these two locations are not that close together. Five miles separates these two places.

GRACE: OK, Alexis, what can you tell me that we can confirm? Of course, police aren`t confirming. They`re also not denying. In fact, the most they`ll say when we have pressed them -- we`ve asked them 20 different ways. All they can say is, You didn`t get it from us and we`re not confirming it. That`s what they`re saying.

Now, tell me everything you know. When do you believe the remains were found? Where were they found? Why do we think there are only partial remains, Alexis?

WEED: Nancy, the reason we`re speculating that it would only be partial remains, A, there have been reports saying that that`s the case. And secondly, there was this smaller hole inside of this large area that was excavated yesterday afternoon. This took place sometime after 12:00 PM, and 12:00 PM is when that no-fly went into effect at 3,000 feet. And so that is -- that is the timeframe. We think sometime after noon. And it`s getting dark here about 5:00 o`clock in the evening, so it would be between that time.

GRACE: Elizabeth, please put up the actual hole. Give me that shot again. I need to look at that, the shot you were just showing. This hole located 10 feet from the banks of the creek that was searched yesterday, Gunpowder Creek. Where we believe they found bones before, a white evidence flag was used. Again, a white evidence flag was used marking the edge of this hole, suggesting, yes, in fact, human bones have been found.

Let me go back to you, Jean Casarez. Explain to me the significance of the Dudley Shoals area. What is that in relation to Zahra`s stepmother, Elisa Baker?

CASAREZ: This is extremely significant. This area, Nancy, is less than a mile away from where Elisa Baker lived three years ago. Now, let me tell you the significance of this, Nancy. That is before she met Adam Baker. That is before Adam Baker and Zahra moved to North Carolina. This is where Elisa Baker used to live.

GRACE: You are seeing aerial views of what we got before a no-fly zone was put in, and then after it was lifted. Multiple reports human remains have been found in the search for little Zahra, the brave little girl who walked through the world on a prosthetic leg, who heard the world through two hearing aids after battling bone cancer and survived. But what she couldn`t survive, according to many sources, was a stepmother, a cruel stepmother, and a neglectful father. That is our understanding of what has happened to little Zahra.

We are taking your calls. Out to the lines. To Candy in Colorado -- Sandy. Hi, Sandy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I was wondering, do you think that maybe Zahra passed away in her bedroom, you know, like -- of the cancer? Maybe the cancer had come back and she just died, and they -- you know, she had been...

GRACE: OK, wait a minute! Wait, wait, wait! Sandy, Sandy, wait. You`re kidding, right? Because if you had a relative that died of natural causes, would you dismember their body and not call 911 or doctors to help?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, but I`m thinking -- no, I would definitely do that, but...

GRACE: Well, why would you even consider that that happened in this case? Why would they not call doctors? Why would they not get an ambulance?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because they probably don`t want to be accused of killing her and what...

GRACE: OK, let`s think that through for a moment, Sandy. If she died of cancer, don`t you think a doctor in an autopsy could figure that out? So why would they be accused of her dying of cancer?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, they probably would figure that out. But as Elisa, you know, said in her interview or her letter or whatever, that (INAUDIBLE) did something horrifying -- what if he just cut her up and threw her away?

GRACE: Yes, you know what, Sandy in Colorado? What if little green Martians beamed into her room and took her to Mars? Maybe that`s where she is!

Unleash the lawyers, Renee Rockwell, Mickey Sherman. That`s why we`ve got to be very, very careful about who we put on this jury! Renee Rockwell, Mickey Sherman, weigh in. Sherman first.

MICKEY SHERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I was going to say, I want Sandy on my next jury, and the next five after that, as well. You know, the problem, you can explain everything else, but how about that ransom note? That`s a little tough. That`s inconsistent with, you know, finding the child dead in the middle of the night.

GRACE: Weigh in, Renee.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the only thing -- to give her some meaning for her question, Nancy, what if they did neglect her, not get her any kind of medical attention and just let her pass away without any kind of medical intervention? Then they perhaps could be charged with that. That`s the only thing...

GRACE: OK...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Let me just remind everybody -- everybody -- that on September 25, the child was healthy and alive and out shopping with her mother -- stepmother. So you want me to believe she suddenly was struck with another cancer that killed her in a couple of days? Yes. No! That`s ridiculous! I can`t even believe you`re toying with that idea.

To John Miller...

ROCKWELL: All I...

GRACE: Yes, I heard what you said. John Miller, editor, "Hickory Daily Record." John Miller, what more can you tell me about what has been found?

JOHN MILLER, "HICKORY DAILY RECORD": Well, Nancy, we know that once that no-fly zone went up yesterday, that -- and the evidence came out of that hole, there`s been a virtual lockdown of information from the police department, whether it`s Catawba County, whether it`s Caldwell County, whether it`s Hickory Police. So we think that is significant.

We also know, that we found out today, that the birth mom, Dietrich, has come to this country. And we`re trying to find her now, but we also know that it`s going to be difficult to find her. We think it`s a coincidence that she`s getting here at this time.

GRACE: Yes, I think it`s a coincidence, too. The birth mother has arrived from Australia, and that`s about a 24-hour flight, so I don`t think that they could time that to be -- when Zahra`s remains were found. But she was spotted at the Baker home. She was crying at a memorial that had been -- a makeshift memorial that had been put up for Zahra. She took some of the teddy bears and things that were there.

She had a camera crew with her, recording her grief. And you know what? I`m not going to knock that because for all I know, that may have been the only way she could afford a flight to the U.S. So if they`re paying her flight, you know what? So be it, because she has missed a life with her daughter. Now her daughter is dead.

For those of you just joining us. Sources are confirming to us tonight that human remains, multiple human remains, have been found in the search for 10-year-old Zahra.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news tonight.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think they found her. I really do.

EMILY DIETRICH, ZAHRA`S MOTHER: It`s sickening (INAUDIBLE) what could have happened to her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are getting reports that human remains have been found in North Carolina.

DIETRICH: Now I just feel broken!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Then they called her mom to come out here. That`s another reason I think they found her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And now Emily waits.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there any hope there that she`s alive?

DIETRICH: I don`t feel it!

GRACE: Were Zahra`s remains dumped in the muddy creek bed?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That is the area that Elisa Baker took authorities to several weeks ago.

GRACE: That`s why cops are looking here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Local stations reporting the discovery of possible human remains. Could they be Zahra`s?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Human remains found during a large-scale search on Wednesday. Police won`t confirm those remains were found in the area that was cleared. It measures 10 feet across and 2-and-a-half feet deep. We couldn`t find any dirt or anything else left behind today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It gives you cold chills just being here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: For those of you just joining us, human remains have been discovered in the search for 10-year-old Zahra, the little girl that we have looked for for now over a month, a little girl that saw the world through the eyes of a cancer survivor, who walked the earth on a prosthetic leg, who tried to fit in. We have pictures of her with little barrettes in her hair and trying to match little outfits so she would be pretty at school. She had hearing aids to here. Part of her body, according to our sources, has been found.

I want to go back to Jean Casarez. Jean, many criminologists fear that the big hole with the smaller hole in it, where they actually took the dirt away with them to be analyzed at the crime lab -- many people fear that may have been Zahra`s head.

CASAREZ: You know, Nancy, it`s -- it`s just -- it`s tough to think about. It`s tough to talk about. But we have to look at the facts. This is the area that yesterday had been cordoned off. Media couldn`t get anywhere near it. It became a no-fly zone. The medical examiner arrived at the scene. And this hole, 30 feet wide, 2-and-a-half feet deep, was 10 feet from that creek. We heard that those divers were in yesterday at about 25 feet from the paved road.

GRACE: With me right now out of Miami, Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. Marc, weigh in.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, this is so brutal. You know, Elisa Baker has always said the police know where she is, she`s not missing. Elisa Baker led them to this location. Now, Nancy, the majority of kids that are murdered are found -- are located within five miles of their home. And I know that this wasn`t near Zahra`s home, but this was near one of Elisa`s older homes.

And I think the reason this is significant -- there`s many reasons, but remember, her father said that he last saw her at 2:30 in the morning. And then at 5:30 in the morning, there was a fire in the front yard. So if what he was saying is true, then Elisa would have had three hours to murder and dispose of the little girl, get back and set that fake fire. And if she were going to do that in pitch black, she would have needed to go to a place that she was familiar with. And we are most familiar with places near where we live.

GRACE: You know, though, to you, Pat Brown. I usually agree with everything Klaas says, but I don`t see a female digging this hole. I mean, come on. You and I know the statistics. We`ve both studied methods of assessment of homicide and suicide. And you very rarely -- you do see it, but you very rarely see women digging holes to get rid of a body.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: That is true. I think they were together on that part of it. What I believe happened is she was highly neglected and severely abused, which is why they had to dismember her. And I believe they started with that wood chipper, maybe did something with the limbs, but then they got to the torso and the head and couldn`t do it. So they went there to distribute things and to bury the rest. Horrible, sad case, but she was definitely abused. She did not die naturally.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news for you right now in the Zahra Baker case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ten-year-old Zahra Baker.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Human remains have been found.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Presumed murdered.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the search for the 10-year-old North Carolina girl.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Horrific story.

DIETRICH: It was his responsibility to take care of her!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Adam, can we talk to you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Zahra, did she ever do anything, Adam?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "We really didn`t kill her, but what he did after the fact is kind of horrifying."

DIETRICH: He had no right!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The remains were sent to the state bureau of investigations.

DIETRICH: I never got to say good-bye!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Something horrific happened.

DIETRICH: Barely (ph) got to say hello!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. But first to Alexis Weed, standing by at Granite Falls, North Carolina. Describe the scene. You are there where the remains are found. What do you see? What has happened? What`s happening right now?

WEED: Nancy, the creek where the investigation has been focused is about 300 yards behind me. Now, what`s interesting, though, about this location is I am standing on an access road. It`s not a paved road, but it`s a road that is clearly defined where a vehicle can access behind this gate behind me. I don`t know if you can see that in the shot. But you could feasibly drive down this road, get very, very close to this creek, and have access to it that way. This is not the only road in this area like this.

GRACE: With us is Brad Dennis, director of search operations for Klaas Kids Foundation. Brad Dennis, what does it mean to you -- this is your expertise -- that they took the dirt out of the hole and took it with them to analyze? What are they looking for? Are they actually sifting through the dirt for portions of her body?

BRAD DENNIS, DIR. SEARCH OPS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION (via telephone): Well, Nancy, typically, when they do find a clandestine grave like that, they will expand that area. They will actually dig out further in width and further in length, actually remove all of that dirt, take it back into the lab just to be able to sift through it, clothing items, other types of articles that may be in there, tool marks on the actual dirt itself.

GRACE: To Dr. Howard Oliver, former deputy medical examiner, forensic pathologist out of LA. Dr. Oliver, we see it in the movies all the time, but from having been at murder scenes myself, dismembering a human body is not easy.

HOWARD OLIVER, FMR. DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER: No, it`s not. It usually takes some expertise, either a hunter or some person like a butcher. It usually leaves tool marks. And in this child`s case, since she was buried, there should be a lot of evidence still there.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Something significant has been found.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Reports that human remains.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The size of remains.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Presence of human remains.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The remains.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: May have been found --

EMILY DIETRICH, ZAHRA BAKER`S MOTHER: We work at finding --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Human remains there.

DIETRICH: The way that they were saying she was treated.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Just completely helpless.

DIETRICH: The only thing I`ve heard now is that she is gone, so she is not being hurt any more.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: "I have told the cops everything I know about what`s happened to Zahra."

GRACE: She wrote the fake ransom note.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: "I don`t want to be in here that long yet again, because of something I didn`t do. He did all this."

GRACE: And the father was complicit because he called in a fake 911 call about his daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: So no one has seen your daughter since 2:30 this morning?

ADAM BAKER, FATHER OF MISSING 10-YEAR-OLD GIRL ZAHRA BAKER: No, like I said, we had all that drama last night.

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: He was so stone cold on that one.

KELLY SAINDON, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: They should tell what they know. Tell what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: "Zahra isn`t missing."

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Is that anything, Adam?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: "Put her to rest."

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. We are going live now to Granite Falls, North Carolina where the remains of little Zahra have been found.

For those of you just joining us, we believe that portions of this child`s body, the child that we have been looking for over a month now have been recovered.

Police -- cops, sheriffs have done an A-plus job. They`re not saying a word. They are tightlipped. Everybody we approached yesterday would say, I can`t talk, I can`t talk, I can`t talk.

Today when questioned up and down and all around, they would say whatever you`re getting you must have gotten it somewhere else, we didn`t release it and we are not confirming it. They would not deny it either.

Straight back out to John Miller, editor, "Hickory Daily Record."

John, so many sources are telling us this is Zahra. Her bones -- some of her bones. What are your sources telling you?

JOHN MILLER, EDITOR, HICKORY DAILY RECORD: Our sources are telling us that it is human remains. I think one of the problems is that the police really don`t want to speculate because there`s so much concern, there`s so much anger in the community that they don`t want to go as far as speculation might take them.

So that`s why they clammed up today, didn`t have much to say. We appreciate the fact that they don`t want us to speculate too much further. But we do understand that it is our job to get as much information as we can. And we found out today that they have not talked to any of my reporters or photographers on or off the record, and that`s very unusual.

GRACE: OK. Same question to you, Alexis. What are your source telling you?

ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, like John said, we`re hearing that this is partial remains, not a full body. Again, sources reporting this. Another interesting thing to note, Nancy, is something that Jean Casarez touched on earlier, is that the location where the excavation took place behind me here, there was a white flag that was put there, an evidence flag.

And it`s important to note that when the bone was found earlier, a couple of weeks back, it was a white evidence flag that was used to mark that bone that`s now being tested by the state laboratory.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Debbie, Illinois, hi, Debbie.

DEBBIE, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Nancy. I just wanted to know why Zahra`s father is still out of jail.

GRACE: You know what?

DEBBIE: I mean --

GRACE: That was my next question after I took this call. I don`t get it.

Marc Klass, why is he walking around?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, I don`t quite get it either, but as I said earlier, you know, if in fact his story is true, and his involvement is an involvement of extreme neglect rather than participating in her demise, then that just might be the reason.

GRACE: Marc, you heard the 911 call.

KLAAS: Of course I did.

GRACE: You know that he knew his wife wrote the ransom note. All right? The fire was a fake. They set the fire. All right?

So knowing all of that, how could he not be involved? He is involved in the cover-up. We hear him on the phone. He knows it`s her handwriting. He lied to 911 dispatch.

KLAAS: I am not going to sit here and defend Adam Baker, I can assure you of that.

GRACE: I know you`re not.

KLAAS: I`m -- of course not. All I`m saying is we don`t have all of the evidence. We don`t know the full scope of the story. Why is he walking around? I have no idea why he`s walking around. I would have him in jail. I wouldn`t let him out of jail. I would be squeezing these people for the truth as hard as I possibly could, but this isn`t my case.

GRACE: You know what, Marc, you`re so right. You are so right.

Pat Brown, what about it? Why is he walking around?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "THE PROFILER": Nancy, one of my guesses is that they allowed him to stay out so they could tick her off, tick off Elisa Baker. Because she is now stuck in jail every day while her hubby who did something horrible to that body and she knows he`s involved in the crime and is running around outside free.

I think they are just trying to push her over the edge.

GRACE: What about it, Bethany Marshall?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Well, maybe daddy knows where all the body parts are scattered and that`s why he`s out of jail, is that they`re keeping an eye on him.

And I have to tell you that just as Elisa Baker was obsessed with tormenting, torturing and perhaps killing this little girl, Daddy was obsessed with Elisa Baker, covering up her crimes, making her happy.

It would not surprise me if that -- if Elisa Baker wanted to decapitate, dismember and scatter the body parts to destroy the evidence that Adam Baker would go right along with her.

Even though it`s extremely rare for a parent, after committing filicide, to dismember the child. Remember Elisa is not the biological parent so it`s more likely that she did it first and then induced Adam to follow along.

GRACE: I can tell you right now, Elisa Baker did not dismember this child and go dig a hole, multiple holes, all by herself, all right? That phony cover-up, the 911 call, I`m about to play it for you again, that`s not all her doing. All right? It`s too much for her to have done it on her own.

What about it, Paul Penzone? Why is this guy walking around?

PAUL PENZONE, DIRECT OF PREVENTION PROGRAMS, CHILDHELP.ORG, FMR. SERGEANT, PHOENIX PD: I think a couple of the previous statements are really accurate. Oftentimes, although it seems difficult to swallow, a police tactic leaving that person out, paying attention, seeing if they make mistakes and lead you to something can be as effective as keeping him behind bars.

So I think in a situation up to this point they had to find a way to learn more about where she could be located.

That hole, if I could just speak for a moment, Nancy. That hole, you`re going to be looking for trace evidence. The reason it`s so big, anybody who went into that area and anybody who came out of it, there`s going to be an exchange of evidence. They need to find anything from soil, to any kind of fabrics or whatever, that might tie -- clothing, shoes or anything else -- that the killer was wearing at that time to that person.

GRACE: You know what? You`re absolutely right, Paul Penzone. You`re absolutely right. They`ve gone to go literally through that soil with a fine tooth comb.

Tina in Maine, hi, Tina. Tina, are you with me?

TINA, CALLER FROM MAINE: Yes.

GRACE: Hi, dear, what`s your question?

TINA: My question is, first they were trying to say the little girl was found dead in her bed. Do you think possibly that it happened from all the beatings her stepmother gave her?

GRACE: Do I think what?

TINA: Do you think it`s possible that they found her dead in the bedroom, it was from the beatings of the mother had given her? And then they went to the wood chipper to get rid her?

GRACE: I think that she was not found dead. I think that they killed her. I think that your theory is plausible that the mother beat her to death. I think that`s entirely possible because you hit a kid the wrong way, you hit a child, if it knocks its head, if you hit it or knock it down in the bathroom on that hard tile, or on an appliance, sure, your theory is not farfetched.

But I don`t think they just found her dead and then decided to throw her in the wood chipper. Oh, no, no, no. I think it`s much, much more sinister and much more nefarious than that.

Back to the lines. Stacy, Canada. Hi, Stacy.

STACY, CALLER FROM CANADA: Hi, Nancy. I really enjoy your show. And I wish you had one in Canada. But my question is, Zahra Baker`s biological mother kept on looking for her. And every time she found her the father would run again.

What I was wondering, do you think the father killed her to keep her away from her biological mother?

GRACE: No, because he had been able to elude the bio mom for all this time. I don`t know. I think that he did not consider the biological mom much of a threat. I really don`t.

But there have been cases, many cases where one parent kills to get back at the other one. So you`re thinking is not far off the mark in many, many cases.

To Deborah, South Carolina. Hi, Deborah.

DEBORAH, CALLER FROM SOUTH CAROLINA: Yes.

GRACE: Hi, dear, what`s your question?

DEBORAH: I want -- someone took my question. Why hasn`t the father been placed in jail yet?

GRACE: You know what, Deborah? You know what? It`s worth talking about again. You know from what we know from Elisa Baker, from what the facts suggest, the 911 call suggests, you know what? He should be behind bars.

As we go out, Liz, let`s hear the daddy call 911. Take a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Catawba County, 911.

A. BAKER: Hey, how are you doing?

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: I`m good.

A. BAKER: I need police.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Hickory Police, 911, where is your emergency?

A. BAKER: Yes, my daughter is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: I`m sorry? Your daughter is missing?

A. BAKER: My daughter -- yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK. What`s your address?

A. BAKER: 21 -- 21st Avenue Northwest. The police were out here last night over a fire and a ransom note for my boss` daughter. And I got up a little while ago and it appears that they took my daughter instead of my boss` daughter.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Reports that human remains --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Could they be Zahra`s?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: -- have been found in the search for the 10- year-old North Carolina girl.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Where is the rest of her body?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A bone.

GRACE: A bone.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Recovered a bone.

GRACE: A child`s bone about.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I have told the cops everything I know about what`s happened to Zahra."

KLAAS: This is a little girl --

ZAHRA BAKER, MISSING 10-YEAR-OLD: I can actually hear more than without my hearing aids.

KLAAS: Who has been discarded piece by piece.

A. BAKER. They may have taken my daughter.

KLAAS: They discarded her mattress.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: DNA evidence on the mattress is now at the lab being tested.

KLAAS: They discarded her prosthetic leg.

CHIEF TOM ATKINS, HICKORY POLICE: Investigators have discovered a prosthetic leg.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What kind of insanity would allow people to just take her leg?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And now the discovery of possible human remains.

KLAAS: They`re getting closer and closer.

ATKINS: In hopes that we can come to some kind of conclusion in this investigation and bring piece to Zahra.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls, out to the lines, Deborah in South Carolina, hi, Deborah.

Lori in Maryland, hi, Lori.

LORI, CALLER FROM MARYLAND: Hi, Nancy, how are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear, what`s your question?

LORI: You know may I ask this? I think this is one of the saddest cases out all the missing children. This is -- the way that she has lived her life with this illness, this is the saddest and the most heartbreaking thing ever.

I`m just wondering about the parents. I know that the father`s out of jail now, and the stepmother`s in jail. But what exactly are they saying is has happened to Zahra? Is the father out trying to look for his daughter or is he --

GRACE: Lori, he has not gone on a single search. The most he has done is put a flyer in his car window, taped it on that attacks the mother -- the stepmother. It says something about Zahra was abused her whole life by Elisa Baker.

He was in the house. He didn`t know where those black eyes were coming from?

Liz, show me that shot of her with the black eye. Come on. That is what he has done to help find Zahra.

John Miller, do you know of anything else? I mean when cops say be at this place at this time, he shows up for that. But other than that, nothing.

MILLER: Well, we do know from talking to the police yesterday before they stopped talking to the media, that -- through one of our reporters, Sarah Newell, she has told -- she was told that --

GRACE: He talked to police, yes, I know that. He talked to police.

MILLER: Yes. Talked to police, and is having ongoing conversations with police. And so that wasn`t happening last week.

So we also found out today that he was at the police station. And so that means that there is some cooperation going on. We just don`t know what`s being said.

GRACE: You know I don`t know if it`s so much cooperation or they`re weaving a web around him. Remember, Casey Anthony talked to police, too, at their request.

What about it, Jean Casarez?

CASAREZ: No, I agree. I don`t necessarily think it`s cooperation. I think it is very interesting, though, that less than 24 hours of when they find what is being reported to be part of the body of Zahra Baker that they want to talk to him at the police department.

GRACE: Alexis Weed, what can you tell me about the new search?

WEED: About the new search, Nancy?

GRACE: Yes.

WEED: Today they were searching on Christie Road, that`s located about five miles from where the search and excavation took place yesterday. And what`s notable to point out about that location today, Nancy, is that investigators previously said that they had finished their investigation at that location.

They had tied it up, but they went back there today. They said that perhaps something that they found yesterday led them back to that location.

GRACE: And tell me the timing again, Jean Casarez, of when the father, Adam Baker, is speak to the cops and when they go to these various locations?

CASAREZ: It was today. Your producer shortly before air learned that today, this afternoon, Adam Baker was meeting with police and his attorney at the police department in Hickory. And it was yesterday midday that this evidence, that they believe can be highly significant -- reports are part of a body.

And it would be a little body, Nancy, a 5`1", 85 pound 10-year-old girl. Reports are that a little body was found parked in that hole.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Jan in Arkansas. Hi, Jan.

JAN, CALLER FROM ARKANSAS: Hi, Nancy. I`ve got a question. Zahra`s biological mother, what about her? Does she know anything about this?

GRACE: No. Jan, apparently she has just jetted in from Australia. We have reason to believe a camera crew, a news crew paid for her flight, which you know what? I think the mother doesn`t have anything. That`s the only way she could get here. That`s how she got here.

Long story short she`s been in Australia this whole time. She doesn`t know anything. According to her she didn`t even know where her daughter was. So I doubt she knows about what happened to her.

To Delores in New York, hi, Delores. Do I have Delores in New York with me?

DELORES, CALLER FROM NEW YORK: Yes.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

DELORES: I was wondering, how old was Zahra when she lost her leg?

GRACE: Good question.

What do we know about that, Jean Casarez? Do we know?

CASAREZ: I could -- what`s the question? Tell me again.

GRACE: How old was Zahra when she lost her leg?

CASAREZ: She was in Australia. She was very young. She had bone cancer and that then resulted in the loss of her leg. After that was lung cancer. But she was a very little girl.

GRACE: It`s my understanding she was between 4 and 5 years old when she lost her leg. We can`t confirm that because this occurred --

CASAREZ: Very little girl.

GRACE: Yes. This occurred in Australia.

To Jo in Delaware, hi, Jo.

JO, CALLER FROM DELAWARE: Hi, Nancy. How you doing?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

JO: I just want to see if Pat Brown might have a profile on the couple Adam and Elisa. If there was one, the dominant -- just from what you said on TV, Elisa Baker seems very childlike, very like repressed. And then, you know, like Adam, even though seems -- is she the dominant one? Where was this relationship?

GRACE: Good question. Weigh in, Pat Brown.

BROWN: Well, in this particular case I think Elisa -- she`s more of the Munchausen syndrome or Munchausen syndrome by proxy type. She like a lot of attention. And that kind of woman likes a man she can manipulate, who will kind of be adult and go along with her because he wants to keep the woman more than he wants to keep the children.

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GRACE: Tonight, this night every year we must stop and remember the men and women who sacrificed their lives for our freedom.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The headstones are lined over these hallowed hills behind us, bear witness to the price our country has paid for our freedoms. They are a testimony to the willingness to struggle and sacrifice for those freedoms.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By heroic devotion, love of country, and sacrifice of the men and women who have served in the Armed Forces of the United States of America.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think I learned through my injuries early on we`re not the sum of all parts. Right? That I lost an arm and a leg but - - and a job but that I gained a sense of self.

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GRACE: Tonight as we honor our veterans, let`s stop and remember Marine Lance Corporal Chase Comley, 21, Lexington, Kentucky, killed Iraq. Awarded the National Defense Service medal, the Sea Service Deployment ribbon, and Purple Heart.

Remembered for a love of baseball, basketball, his high school team recently named a new baseball field in his honor. Leaves behind parents Mark and Kathy, siblings Clinton, Katherine, and Lane.

Chase Comley American hero.

Thanks to our guests but our biggest thanks to you for being with us and to all of our country`s veterans. God bless you and God bless our troops at home and abroad.

And tonight let`s remember to pray for Zahra.

I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. Good night, friend.

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