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NANCY GRACE

Second 2-Year-Old Boy Missing in Arizona

Aired August 3, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, rural Arizona. Last night, we reported a story of a 2-year-old baby boy wearing nothing but a diaper, asleep in a tent with his mother, vanishes without a trace. Bombshell tonight. Just minutes after that report, another 2-year-old little boy disappears from the same exact area. Mommy, at home with her four children, wakes up from a nap, the 2-year-old, Emmett, gone, wearing only a diaper and a PJ top. Gone!

As search teams take to the air and land to find little Emmett, back at the Beaver Creek campground, cops confirm the search for Sylar now a criminal investigation. FBI, local sheriffs and forensic specialists zero in on a local landfill, combing over 200 tons of trash near the campground. But tonight, still no signs of the boy`s body. The K-9 search mysteriously goes cold right in the middle of the campsite. That doesn`t make sense.

How does a 2-year-old just vanish in the night, sleeping in a tent with Mommy? And how -- how! -- does a second 2-year-old in the same area just disappear, three other siblings plus Mommy in the home? Are the two missing boys connected? Tonight, as we go to air, every minute counts.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news. A second 2-year-old boy is missing, wearing a diaper and taken from the same area as Sylar Newton.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... Sylar Newton...

911 OPERATOR: 911. Where`s the emergency.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... 2-year-old Sylar Newton...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to have a sheriff come out here. We got a little boy missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A second 2-year-old boy is missing, Emmett Trapp.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... a 2-year-old child by the name of Sylar Newton.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He is presumed dead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Search efforts is now in a recovery mode, and the investigation has become criminal in nature.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... now a criminal investigation...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Emmett`s mom reports him missing around 8:00 PM.

GRACE: Not a good sign.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Emmett, 26 pounds and three feet tall, brown hair, blue eyes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`ve been looking non-stop. Nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search extending to the air.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... helicopters, ground crews...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Emmett only wearing a pajama top, diaper, and he`s without shoes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After we report the story of a 2-year-old little baby boy wearing nothing but a diaper, asleep in a tent with Mommy, vanishes without a trace -- just minutes after that report, another 2-year- old little boy disappears from the same exact area.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... little Sylar Newton...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sylar Newton was last seen in his tent on a camping outing...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now another 2-year-old boy wearing a diaper in the same area has gone missing, Emmett Trapp.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sylar went camping with a woman who identified herself as his custodial mother.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Doing horrible! My baby`s gone!

GRACE: The baby is in the tent with the new would-be mom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The other night, I cried for a good two hours just wanting him back!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Emmett Trapp, last seen by his mother shortly before she takes a nap, wakes up, Emmett`s gone.

GRACE: Why do you take a 2-year-old camping?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How does a 2-year-old boy wearing only a diaper simply vanish into thin air?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to Phoenix. Standing by, Christina Estes, reporter Newstalk 550 KFYI. Christina, last night, I didn`t realize that it could get worse, from a 2-year-old boy that goes missing out of the tent with his mother, his soon to be adoptive mother, and now we learn just moments after our report goes to air, another little 2-year-old boy goes missing, this little boy also in his diaper, this little boy amazingly similar to Emmett -- to Sylar Newton? Emmett Trapp also is 2 years olds. He`s also three feet tall. He also weighs in his 20s. Both have brown hair, blue eyes, both wearing diapers, both disappear, both with their mommies, both the mommies asleep at the time, both just miles apart?

Tell me about the second boy, Emmett Trapp, Christina.

CHRISTINA ESTES, NEWSTALK 550 KFYI: Well, imagine what the emotions are for the sheriff`s deputies who have been searching. They`ve spent more than 4,000 hours searching for Sylar, more than 300 people involved. And just as they were ramping down that physical search last night, they get word of a second 2-year-old boy missing. It`s really been an emotional roller-coaster for them. They are out there working as hard as they can, again by land and by air, hoping that they`re going to be able to find Emmett.

The similarities are really pretty eerie. When you look at these boys, they look very similar, the height, the weight, what they were wearing. But at this point, investigators say there is no known association. Right now, they say it looks like, according to Emmett`s mother, that he wandered off with the family dog. They were able to call for the dog. The dog did return.

And in the case of Sylar, they do not believe that Sylar wandered off on that campsite. Instead, they believe that he was taken. They also believe that he is dead. They do not know whether he was taken dead or alive.

GRACE: Well, I`m not buying more into the "We think he`s dead," Jean Casarez, until I know more because so far, all they`re telling us is that the boy wandered off. They lost the scent within the campsite. Why does that tell me that he`s dead? That doesn`t tell me he`s dead.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Let me...

GRACE: He could still be alive.

CASAREZ: Let me add to what you`re just saying right now. We`ve learned some new information.

GRACE: OK.

CASAREZ: I`m going to say it very slowly because I`m still having to wrap my brain around this. They are saying that they have had interviews...

GRACE: With the family.

CASAREZ: ... with the family members that have given them leads to believe foul play has taken place.

GRACE: Jean Casarez, hold on. I got the same information just as we were going to air, and I turned to everybody and said, You can take that two ways. You can take this -- now, I`m going to repeat it back to you. Let`s make sure I`ve got it right.

The police tell us, in the last moments, that they have conducted interviews with Sylar -- this is the little boy, he goes missing from the campsite in the tent with his adoptive -- soon to be adoptive mommy. They`ve interviewed members of the family, and they now believe foul play was involved. That could either mean that they`ve interviewed everybody at the campsite, they now believe somebody came in and kidnapped the baby, or it could mean, We`ve interviewed family members and we think a family member is involved.

CASAREZ: That`s right.

GRACE: That`s the way -- the two interpretations I`ve got.

CASAREZ: That`s right, and...

GRACE: How do you take it, Jean?

CASAREZ: You`re right. And who are the family members? Well, Let`s look at the two tents that night because there are multiple family members that night. You`ve got the adoptive mother, who is Christina Priem, there in the tent. Your have her mother, Nancy (ph). You have her, Christina`s, daughter, who is 12 years old. And you have little Sylar Newton in that tent. In the other tent, you have Christina Priem`s 14-year-old son and his friend, a 14-year-old son. You`ve got a lot of family members right there, and we`re not even including the bio mother, who was -- is Christina -- Charity Newton, I should say, who is now in Arizona.

GRACE: OK. We are talking right now about Sylar Newton, just 2 years old. He goes missing from an alleged camping trip with his soon-to-be adoptive mom. I`m also learning -- back to you, Jean Casarez -- that there are no papers on file about the adoption? SO how can there be an adoption in the works?

Take a look at Sylar, everybody. The tip line, 928-771-3260. As we go to air last night with the story about Sylar, just a couple of miles away, another 2-year-old boy in his diaper goes missing, Mommy asleep, taking a nap. He`s with the three other children. There are four siblings in the home. She wakes up from the nap, the 2-year-old is gone. Tonight police in the air, on land, K-9, you name it, looking for these two little boys. But the developments are very, very disturbing.

I want to go out now to a special guest. Everyone, we are taking your calls live. But before we take calls, I want to go to the grandmother of missing 2-year-old Sylar. With us is Yvonne Newton. She is the biological grandmother of little Sylar. Ms. Newton, thank you for being with us.

YVONNE NEWTON, MISSING CHILD`S GRANDMOTHER (via telephone): Oh, no problem.

GRACE: Ms. Newton, first of all, so many of us, many people across the country, are in prayer right now for this little boy, for Sylar. He is the age of my two children, and I cannot imagine coming home and they`re just gone. So believe me, we are on your side.

Please tell me your understanding of what happened. Now, you are the bio grandmother. He was with his would-be adoptive mother when he went missing. What you are learning, Yvonne? What are police telling you?

NEWTON: Well, right now, the police are telling us absolutely nothing. I have yet to talk to a police officer or an FBI agent since the first day they told me he went missing. All I know is what I`ve been reading from the Web sites, from the news channels. That`s all I know -- and of course, what my daughter tells me. And...

GRACE: What does your daughter think at this point? Because police are now telling us that they have interviewed family members and they believe foul play is involved.

NEWTON: I just learned that today myself. And this is really hard on both of us because we can`t even think of anybody that could even want to hurt him and who is capable of hurting him. And right now, no information`s being released, so I really don`t know if anybody did do anything to him. We aren`t sure yet.

GRACE: Well, we are also being told -- back to you, Jean Casarez -- that police seem to believe the boy never left the campsite alive. Does that mean he never left his mother`s tent alive?

CASAREZ: He didn`t go far. There was a scent, and the scent stopped. But Nancy, your great producers have spoken with the bio mother late this evening. And she is saying some things as far as that police are keeping her informed. They are telling her what they know, and that she`s very, very angry. And when your producers asked, Well, do they believe it`s a random issue with the child, she says, No, that it`s not random, they tell me. She`s very, very angry, but will not divulge what police have told her that she can`t.

GRACE: OK, to Rupa Mikkilineni, our producer on the scene. She has spoken to many people involved in the Emmett Trapp disappearance. If you could just run through with me, Rupa, for those of you just joining us -- just moments after report 2-year-old Sylar missing from a campsite with his adoptive mom and her family, within minutes, another 2-year-old boy nearby, looks very much like Sylar -- Emmett goes missing wearing a diaper and a PJ top. Eerie similarities. Both moms say they`re taking a nap or asleep at the time the baby goes missing. The time gap is a couple of hours from the time that he was last seen.

Are the cases connected, Rupa? Is someone taking baby boys in the same area? What can you tell me, Rupa? What have you learned?

RUPA MIKKILINENI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, this is a great question, and right now, police are saying that they don`t have any known connection between the two cases.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Searchers are still looking for little Sylar.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sylar Newton has not yet been found.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news. A second 2-year-old boy is missing, wearing a diaper and taken from the same area as Sylar Newton, 2- year-old Emmett Trapp.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... 2-year-old Sylar Newton...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Questions swirling. Is there a connection?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news. Law enforcement desperately trying to find 2-year-old Emmett Trapp. A second 2 -- year-old boy is missing, wearing a diaper and taken from the same area as Sylar Newton.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sylar vanished from this campground in the middle of the night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is a criminal investigation at this point.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... believing that the little boy is presumed dead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... supposedly left the camping area in a diaper with no shoes on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... an expanded search area with bloodhounds...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The scent was there and they lost it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators say they have spent the past three days searching a landfill.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s gone without a trace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... searched over 200 tons of garbage...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All possibilities are being considered.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... for evidence of his body...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re missing a little 2-year-old boy out here at Beaver Creek.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) consistency here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sylar was in the same tent with his adoptive mother...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No! He was in the tent with the brother and the brother`s friend.

GRACE: But when you have a conflicting story, that is not a good sign.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is now a homicide case.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Out to Monica, Indiana. Hi, Monica.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good afternoon.

GRACE: Hi, dear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, hi. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good. What`s your question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wanted to know -- like, when my children were little -- if you walk out my front door, you are camping. And my question is, is, has any of the airports in that surrounding area been checked for these children? Because when...

GRACE: Oh, good question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... my children were little and we would fly to different countries (INAUDIBLE) you didn`t necessarily need a passport if they were a toddler.

GRACE: Good question. To Christina Estes, Newstalk 550 KFYI. Christina, what is the closest airport?

ESTES: Well, there is a small airport in that area. We don`t know whether they actually searched that area. What we can tell you is that the home where little Emmett was last reported being seen is actually on a dirt road, and there`s a lot of thick, dense brush around that area. So it`s very similar to the campground where Sylar was last reported seen, not a place you want a 2-year-old out barefoot in a diaper.

GRACE: You know, I want to go back over how the second little boy went missing. But first, to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. Weigh in. What is your understanding of the facts on Emmett? You know, these two little boys go missing in the same -- in the same day`s time, and then the circumstances are so similar, Marc Klaas, extremely similar.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Yes, they`re eerily similar, and one is hard-pressed to believe in the concept of coincidence in crime. The thing that I find difficult to understand in the case of little Emmett is that his mother, who is the mother of four -- and all four of the children were at home at the time -- was taking a nap in the late afternoon and/or early evening. And secondly, the fact that it`s presumed or assumed that the dog left with the little boy, and that`s been sort of a major statement in all of the reports that have come out.

And number one, I don`t see how a mom can be sleeping in the middle of the afternoon. And I don`t know how anybody can assume that a dog has done absolutely anything.

GRACE: Right.

KLAAS: So there you have it with that one.

GRACE: To Rupa Mikkilineni. Rupa, you spoke to Emmett Trapp`s mother tonight. What did she say? This is the 2-year-old boy whose mom`s taking a nap. What happened? What`d she say?

MIKKILINENI: That`s right. When I called, she answered and she was crying, she very upset, and she seemed to think that, initially, I was somebody that had found her son. She asked me, Did you did find him? Do you know where he is, you know? And then when I identified myself as media, that is when she backed down. She said, Look, I don`t want to speak with media. I asked her to do an interview. She declined. She declined any kind of comment.

But Nancy, also, she seemed to not want us to even do a segment about her son, but...

GRACE: OK, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! Be specific! What did you say? What did she say?

MIKKILINENI: I asked her if she was Emmett`s mother. She said, Yes. Have you found him? Who is this? Did you find him? Is he there? Do you know where he is? And I said, No, no, no, I`m a member of the media. I`m calling to speak to you about your son. We`re doing a segment. Then she declined to speak. And then she said that she believed he wandered off with the dog. That is all she said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The longer this takes, the more concern we have that the child may not be here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... vanishing in the middle of the night...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re using bloodhounds and other tracking teams to try and figure out where he went.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s the worst! We`re preparing for the worst right now!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... missing 2-year-old...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... Sylar Newton...

GRACE: ... vanishes without a trace!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... is now presumed dead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The investigation included local detectives, the FBI, interviews with campers, lie detector tests on family members.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s now believed Sylar he was never lost in the Beaver Creek area...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The more intensive our investigation becomes...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... but was likely taken from the campground.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... as far as any evidence or indication of foul play...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today we`re also learning a second boy, same county, is missing, as well.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... missing in the same area, he too wearing a diaper, law enforcement trying to find 2-year-old Emmett Trapp.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. We are taking your calls live. Tonight, not one but two little 2-year-old boys go missing in the same area, one from a local campground -- he was in the tent with his would-be adoptive mom -- the other nearby, his mom sleeping, as well, the other four children there in the home, the other three children there, along with the family dog, both missing in the space of a couple of hours, both mommies asleep, both boys amazingly similar in their physical characteristics, both just wearing a diaper. Where are the two 2-year-olds?

Out to the lines, and unleash the lawyers, Gloria Allred, John Burris, Raymond Giudice. To you, Gloria Allred. What do you think?

GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Well, I do think that mothers can fall asleep in the middle of the afternoon, especially when they have a lot of little ones. They can fall off and nod because having little ones is a lot of work. And Nancy, you know that. So I don`t necessarily think that that`s a phony story, but we`ll have to wait and see.

GRACE: Gloria Allred -- no, put her on camera. Gloria, you`re a mother. I know your beautiful daughter. Long story short, so far, almost three years into it, I`ve yet to fall asleep while the children are unsupervised. During the day, no, I have not fallen asleep yet while the children were just running around the house...

ALLRED: Well...

GRACE: ... and left it up to the family dog take care of them!

ALLRED: Well, but...

GRACE: OK? That`s just me, OK?

ALLRED: Well, now, you have a lot of energy, Nancy, and you may also have help. And a lot of moms don`t have help and they`re completely exhausted.

GRACE: Yes. I`m exhausted, but I don`t go to sleep with my kids unsupervised. Ray, weigh in.

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think that the second child could be a copycat situation. We just don`t know enough right now.

GRACE: What about it, John Burris, What do you advise the campground mommy?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Get a lawyer. (INAUDIBLE) mother really should have a lawyer because it looks like something`s...

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They walk the streets together.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The custodial mother and his biological mother.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: No sign of the little boy.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Two-year-old boy Sylar Newton, two women searching for the same son.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Breaking news, a second 2-year-old boy is missing, wearing a diaper, and taken from the same area as Sylar Newton.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Yavapai County Sheriff`s Department. This is Karen. How can I help you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Have you got a call yet about a missing boy out here at Beaver Creek?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Law enforcement desperately trying to find 2- year-old Emmett Trapp.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are missing a little 2-year-old boy out here at Beaver Creek.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The family dog apparently wanders off, too, but the dog later returns. Emmett was last seen wearing a pajama top, diaper, and no shoes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who were the people attending to this child? Where was the tent? Why wasn`t the tent zipped up?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t sit around and do nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tonight, questions swirling. Is there a connection?

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: We are taking your calls live. Quickly, as a recap for those of you just joining us. Last night we reported on a 2- year-old boy wearing nothing by a diaper that goes missing from a campground. A 2-year-old at a camp out with his would-be adopted mom still awake at midnight.

Between 12:45 a.m. and 3:00 a.m., he vanishes from inside the tent with the mommy.

Just moments after we go to air, it`s reported another 2-year-old goes missing in the same area. His mom, also allegedly asleep at the time that little Emmett goes missing there with the three siblings and dog. The mom says she`s asleep, wakes up, Emmett is gone.

Also, just wearing a diaper and a PJ top, not even any shoes on either of these two little boys. Amazingly similar.

I want to go back to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session."

Jean, just give me the recap on how little Emmett goes missing.

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Nancy, first of all, do you realize it`s just about 24 hours ago right now that he went missing? They were in the midst of realizing he was gone at that point in time?

He was in his home, in the dwelling with his mother and at least three other brothers or sisters. The mother was taking a nap. She wakes up and we don`t know exactly what time but realizes he is gone.

He`s this little 2-year-old boy with just a diaper, in bare feet. He`s gone. Looks like she searched for him a little bit because authorities weren`t called until 8:00. And this would be Arizona time. And at that point, she also called he husband at work.

And what the -- the press release is saying the family dog had apparently wandered off with Emmett. That is really difficult to understand. The dog wandered off with the little boy in diapers and bare feet?

GRACE: I want to go back to Rupa Mikkilineni.

Rupa, you spoke to Emmett Trapp`s mom just before we went to air tonight. Tell me exactly -- verbatim to the best of your recollection, Rupa, what you said and what she said. Take it from the top.

RUPA MIKKILINENI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: When I called her I asked her is she was Emmett`s mother. She thought -- she didn`t know who I was. So she said, why, have you found him? Do you know where he is? Please tell me where he is.

And I said, no, I`m a member of the media. Then she backed off and she stopped talking with me. I asked her to speak with me, make some comments, do the show, do an interview with us, we could help her to find her son. She -- she said she declined the interview. And then she --

GRACE: Those are his words, I decline the interview.

MIKKILINENI: I decline the interview. I don`t want to participate. And she went one step further, which was strange, Nancy. She said, could you -- can I decline you doing the segment at all. Why do you have to do a segment on this? I`d like you to not cover this tonight.

And I said that doesn`t make sense. Covering it makes sense. Will help. We`ll get the tip line out there. And then she said, nothing, no comment. Other than, she goes, I don`t know where my son is. He wandered off with the dog. The dog came back. He didn`t. I`m worried. That`s it. That`s all she said. She said, please, do not cover this. She reiterated this. And then she hung up.

GRACE: Did you did call back?

MIKKILINENI: I did, and she did not pick up.

GRACE: Did you call back immediately?

MIKKILINENI: I called her back immediately. I called back 15 minutes later, a half an hour later, 45 minutes later. And she would not pick up. I called from a different phone line as well. She would not pick up.

GRACE: To John Lucich, former criminal investigator, president of EForensics, joining us out of New York.

John, what do you make of it?

JOHN LUCICH, FORMER CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR, PRESIDENT, HIGH TECH CRIME NETWORK: Absolutely suspicious. I mean Beth Holloway made herself available to do every interview that she could because it`s that opportunity to get your story heard and to reach out to the hearts of people to get them looking for -- for your kid.

GRACE: I mean, com eon, do I have to say anything more than Elizabeth Smart?

Out to you, Marc Klaas, you lived through this nightmare when Polly went missing. What -- what`s going on?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, we`ve seen from the Hormans -- Kyron`s parents that not every parent wants to get out in front of the media, but I`ve never heard of a parent asking the media not to cover their missing child.

This is about getting the hearts and the minds of the public. Thereby forcing law enforcement to do a full blown, complete investigation that ultimately will result in the return of your child.

I, for the first time, maybe on your show, completely agree with Ray that this could be a copycat situation.

GRACE: You mean the same person has taken both little boys? I mean - -

KLAAS: No.

GRACE: I very rarely believe in coincidences in criminal law. But what do you mean by copycat?

KLAAS: No, I don`t -- sure. I don`t mean that the same person necessarily took both children, but that -- whatever scenario played out in the first circumstance, and it looks more and more like there maybe involvement from within that main tent that that circumstance again played out in a very eerily similar way in the disappearance of little Emmett, i.e., the mothers being asleep, the boy wandering off. It being dark and near dark. That they were barefooted, that they were only wearing diapers.

And certainly in the one case, law enforcement isn`t able to track the child outside of the campground. We don`t know how that`s going to play out in the other case. But this whole idea that he wandered off with the dog and then the dog came back.

How could anybody know that?

GRACE: To Christina Estes, reporter, Newstalk 550 KFYI. Christina, what more are we hearing from little Emmett`s family?

CHRISTINA ESTES, REPORTER, NEWSTALK 550 KFYI: Well, we`re not really hearing anything from them. And police are giving us very limited information.

What they`re saying right now is there is no known associations between Emmett`s case and Sylar`s case. They are also saying, in Emmett`s case, there are no signs of foul play.

They are treating this right now as if he wandered off and a reminder that it`s also how they phrased Sylar`s case when he was first reported missing. They said no obvious signs of foul play and it looks like he might have wandered off.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Polly in California. Hi, Polly.

POLLY, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Nancy. I love you. I never miss an episode.

GRACE: Polly, thank you for watching and for calling in. Thank you.

POLLY: You`re welcome. I just -- I just have a -- a kind of a quick question.

GRACE: OK.

POLLY: It seems to me that if Sylar`s scent was lost at the campground, he obviously didn`t leave the campground without possibly being driven out or physically taken out. So my question is, have any of the camp -- the other guests at the campsite been investigated? That maybe they snatched him and drove off in the middle of the night?

GRACE: Excellent point. Jean Casarez, again, recap, who else was there when Sylar goes missing? The would-be adoptive mom is in the tent with him. Her mother, which would be the little boy`s soon-to-be grandmother. Her 14-year-old son and who else?

CASAREZ: And her 12-year-old daughter and then a friend of the son`s. But there were also about 25 other campers in the campground, and yes, they have all been interviewed.

But, Nancy, we can`t get past what the bio mom told your producers minutes before we went on air. She said that police have told her everything they know. That she`s very angry. That it`s not random and she has been told who they believe is responsible for this.

And law enforcement said that in speaking with family members, they believe the leads show there`s foul play.

GRACE: To John Burris, you know, I`m kind of surprised at what you and Raymond Giudice blurted out on the air. It`s extremely unlike you to suddenly say lawyer up. It looks bad. Why did you say that, Burris?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, it`s not unlike -- well, because I think it`s true. Given what the -- certainly in the Sylar case, given what the police have said, they`ve interviewed everyone. It seems to me that certainly the mother in that household -- one I`m looking -- really should have lawyers to at least find out what their rights are and whether they should be talking themselves and have some legal protection.

I don`t necessarily feel the same way about the second case, although I must admit it is kind of suspicious that given what she has said and her unwillingness to be -- have the matter in a public kind of way.

Yes, that kind of conduct it seems to me that lawyers need to be present to at least advise these people as to what their rights are. So I stand by that position.

GRACE: What about it, Raymond Giudice?

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: So in the second case, in missing Emmet, if the mom had counsel, a lawyer may have been a spokesperson and gotten the message out just -- just said, effectively as opposed to hanging up the phone. That would have been good lawyering.

GRACE: Yes, well, that`s Monday morning quarterback and that was would have, could have, should have, let`s do with what we`ve got, deal with what we`ve got.

GIUDICE: Well, I`d control it from here out. I might have her tomorrow on your show, seeking justice, looking for the child and -- and you know pleading with the public to help find him.

GRACE: OK, you know what?

GIUDICE: Just as Marc Klaas just said.

GRACE: If they won`t -- if they won`t do it, I will.

GIUDICE: OK.

GRACE: Take a look at these two boys. Sylar and Emmett, both 2 years old. Tip line 928-771-3260. As Marc Klaas will tell you at this point, minutes count.

Everybody, as we go to break, a brand-new book, "Death on the D-List" hits the shelves August 10. Preorders, CNN.com/Nancygrace. Proceeds go to Wesley Glenn, providing a loving home for the mentally handicap who need a home.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My friend`s mom, his brother is -- he is missing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A second boy, same county, is missing as well.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Two-year-old Emmett Trapp last seen by his mother shortly before she takes a nap. Wakes up. Emmett`s gone.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A tragic turn in the case of missing 2-year- old Sylar Newton.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got another boy missing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Vanished 10 days ago from an Arizona campground, wearing only a diaper.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 2-year-old has no survival instincts.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: After an exhaustive search through a nearby landfill with bloodhounds, underwater cameras, cops say it is now a criminal investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is presumably dead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Their presumption is that he is dead.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Sylar`s custodial mom says she last saw him sleeping inside the tent they had shared. She woke up at the middle of the night. He was not there.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: It`s a 2-year-old boy?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search effort is now a recovery mode. It`s heartbreaking. Absolutely heartbreaking.

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GRACE: Another 2-year-old little boy wearing nothing but a diaper goes missing in the same area? Within minutes after we report about little Sylar going missing from his mother`s tent on a camping trip, another 2- year-old goes missing from his home. His mommy also says she was asleep.

We are taking your calls live. I want to go to Dr. Panchali Dhar, internal medicine expert, author of "Before the Scalpel," joining us out of New York.

Doctor, explain to me the dangers of a 2-year-old child both without shoes.

DR. PANCHALI DHAR, M.D., INTERNAL MEDICINE, AUTHOR OF "BEFORE THE SCALPEL": Right. Let`s think about the ecology of Arizona. So when they are out in the shrubs, they are in danger. There are scorpions that have extremely toxic venom that could bite these children`s feet.

And then there are rattlesnakes. So instant death is entirely possible from just the dangers of being out in the wilderness. And I would tell you, just hearing the word Arizona, these women cannot say a dingo took my baby out of the tents.

Impossible. So scorpion venom is highly neuro-toxic, convulsions, loss of consciousness. And then rattle snake venom prevents blood clotting and so you bleed internally and hemorrhage from the inside out.

And if they`re found in garbage dumps, I guarantee you that worms and maggots are eating them already in the few days that they`ve been in the garbage dump.

GRACE: And, you know, a lot of people think that a scorpion or a spider bite is rare. It`s not rare.

DHAR: It`s not rare.

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GRACE: It happens all the time.

DHAR: And I`ll tell you, the incidence of death is almost 25 percent in any 5-year-old that gets bitten by a scorpion here in the United States.

GRACE: I did not know that, Doctor.

DHAR: If untreated. If untreated.

GRACE: In fact, on our vacation -- you know, I just got back have from vacation, my husband got bitten by a spider. We think a brown recluse. Had to go to the doctor. Foot swells up. You wouldn`t believe it.

DHAR: Absolutely. It has to be --

GRACE: It looked like an open wound. I mean, this happens. And for a child, it can be deadly.

We are taking your calls, but first to Dr. Srini Pillay, Harvard psychiatrist, author of "Life Unlocked: Seven Revolutionary Lessons to Overcome Fear."

Doctor, it`s a pleasure to have you with us. Doctor, you heard our reporter Rupa Mikkilineni describe what Emmett`s mother said on the phone. She said, I don`t want to you even cover the story. Why would a mom say that?

DR. SRINI PILLAY, M.D., HARVARD PSYCHIATRIST, AUTHOR OF "LIFE UNLOCKED": Well, it`s impossible to tell exactly why. But I think what you`re pointing out is exactly what was on my mind, which was -- you know, that I felt suspicious about why she wouldn`t have the story covered.

Because in cases like this generally what we`d actually want is for more people to know about this so that we can find some kind of clue. So I think -- I think it`s a highly unusual in that particular instance for a mother not to want to have the story covered.

Now it`s possible that she was feeling really afraid and feeling really anxious and didn`t really want to increase her own state of anxiety by knowing that the story was being covered. But I think -- I think it`s highly unusual.

GRACE: But, Doctor, sometimes when you`re faced with adversity and great fear, overwhelming fear, and you feel out of control, there`s nothing you can do to control your surroundings, don`t many people just retreat?

PILLAY: Yes, and I think that`s absolutely a possibility. So, you know, I`m not saying that we know for sure. But what I am saying is that - - is that we have to consider both possibilities.

We have to consider the possibility that her reaction was really out of a fear of having more things discovered, or it could have been that she was so afraid and anxious that she decided to retreat and decided to actually go back into her own shell and not actually expose her own story to the world. Because sometimes when people experience losses they don`t necessarily want those losses to be advertised to the country.

GRACE: Well, it also could be embarrassment, Doctor, because she was asleep. It was during her watch that something happened to the baby. I would feel horrible even though -- if she`s not involved, it`s not her fault, but still, she was asleep at the helm and a child went missing. So maybe it was embarrassment or shame.

But the reality is -- tell us, Marc Klaas, how important it is to get the word out.

KLAAS: Well, she hasn`t lost anything yet. I mean, the child is missing but can certainly be recovered. And the ability to recover that child is enhanced by the more people that know about it.

Listen, every minute is a mile. Every mile is another large radius that has to be searched. You need as many people there that are trained to search for this little child as you can possibly get and the sooner the better.

GRACE: You know, when you said every mile is a minute -- put Klaas up. I know what happened when your girl went missing. You basically threw yourself at the police and said, hey, take my fingerprints, search my place, search my car, whatever you want so you can get me out of the picture and you can start looking for Polly.

Go, go, go. You couldn`t do it fast enough. And now when I don`t see a parent doing the same thing that you did, I always end up comparing them back to you. And that is not what we`re seeing.

Right now we still haven`t seen the would-be adoptive mom on air making a plea. And there are many opportunities.

Everybody, we`re taking your calls. With us, Gloria Allred, John Burris, Raymond Giudice.

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UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Yavapai County Sheriff`s Department. This is Karen. How can I help you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Have you got a call yet about a missing boy out here at Beaver Creek?

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Let me find out. Hold on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Did you find a boy or --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re missing a little 2-year-old boy out here at Beaver Creek.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: You are missing one. All right. We have not gotten a call yet.

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UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK. Do they know what he was wearing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t have any idea what he`s wearing. We`re all looking for him right now.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK. Do you know what the mom and dad`s names are?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do what? The mom`s name?

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK. Not a problem. I`ll send somebody out there and we`ll see what we can do, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Bye-bye.

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GRACE: We`re taking your calls now. Not one but two little boys missing from the same area. Both 2-year-olds. You`re seeing their pictures right now. Both wearing nothing but diapers. One had on a PJ top with him. Both barefoot, both with their moms at the time they go missing. Both moms say they were asleep. Same area.

We are taking your calls. Out to Lisa in Florida. Hi, Lisa.

LISA, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi, Nancy. Great to have you back. I watch your show every night and I missed you.

GRACE: Thank you. I missed you guys, too. And I want to thank you for watching as well as calling. What is question, Lisa?

LISA: I want to know why police presume that little Sylar is dead. Do they -- they`re already searching landfills. Do they have some evidence?

GRACE: They have to. Jean Casarez, do they have evidence that the boy`s dead already or are they just covering all their bases?

CASAREZ: They have to because they have publicly said they have presumed and are presuming he`s deceased. They spoke with the family that gave them leads that tell them foul play.

GRACE: OK. Gloria Allred, now that you`ve heard all the facts of both stories, what`s your opinion?

GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIM`S RIGHTS ATTORNEY, CHILD ADVOCATE: I say we don`t know whether they`re connected or not. And by the way, in defense of Emmett Trapp`s mom, she did call her husband and did call the sheriff apparently very quickly.

So the fact that she says I don`t want coverage or --

GRACE: Yes, you`re right.

ALLRED: -- please don`t do this segment doesn`t necessarily mean that she`s done anything that`s wrong. Maybe she`s just not aware --

GRACE: OK. John Burris --

ALLRED: -- of the need for coverage.

GRACE: Agree or disagree?

BURRIS: I agree that we don`t know enough. I agree with Gloria on this point. Period.

GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop to remember Army Specialist Clinton Gertson, 26, Eagle Lake, Texas, killed Iraq. Awarded the Bronze Star, two Purple Hearts, National Defense Service medal.

Loved country music, driving tractors, hunting, videotaping wildlife on his family`s farm. Favorite band, The Eagles. Motto, freedom is not free. Leaves behind parents Gayle and Elisa, stepmother Susan who raised him, sister Corey, brother Matt.

Clinton Gertson, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. And a special thank you to Florida friends, Michael and Elizabeth, for the teddy bears and for this recordable book for the twins. I record it then they hear it when they read it.

I`ll see you tomorrow night, everybody. 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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