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NANCY GRACE

More Ronald Cummings Jailhouse Tapes

Aired January 28, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Satsuma, Florida. A 5- year-old girl tucked into bed, five hours later, she`s gone. Daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little Haleigh. Last person to see her alive, new stepmother, 18-year-old Misty Croslin, who takes to the airwaves to claim she`s innocent. But even in one brief interview, Croslin can`t keep her story straight, including a 180 on a failed lie detector, claiming she passed, then admitting on TV she failed.

Bombshell tonight. After Haleigh`s father, Ronald Cummings, and baby- sitter-turned-stepmother both handcuffed, arrested, booked, Haleigh`s father breaks his silence behind bars. Tonight, we have the rest of the Ronald Cummings jailhouse tapes. Word leaks today police convinced Misty Croslin is involved in Haleigh`s disappearance. His first jailhouse visit with his mother, he insists Croslin will crack behind bars.

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RONALD CUMMINGS, HALEIGH`S FATHER: It`ll be justifiable homicide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In your mind.

CUMMINGS: Yes. I mean, I don`t care -- I don`t care if they get me with injustifiable homicide. I don`t care. If I find out what happened to my young`un, it doesn`t matter to me. It`ll be -- it`ll be worth life without parole or the death penalty or whatever.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What would you do? I mean...

CUMMINGS: With what?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With that person?

CUMMINGS: Kill them!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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CUMMINGS: If I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I`m killing him. I don`t care.

911 OPERATOR: OK. OK.

CUMMINGS: I`ll spend the rest of my life in prison. I`m telling you, you can put it on recording, I don`t care.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

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CUMMINGS: Same thing I said on the 911 call.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well, I just wanted to make sure...

CUMMINGS: I`m telling you, I ain`t changed my mind not a bit.

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CUMMINGS: I know somebody took my little girl, some sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when it`s all over!

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think she knows more?

CUMMINGS: Man, that`s a -- that`s a hard question to answer. It`s hard to believe that she don`t know more, but it`s also hard to believe that if she did no more, she ain`t already talked, you know, especially if they got her locked up like they got me, man, because this (EXPLETIVE DELETED) will drive you crazy. This place ain`t but the size of two sheets of plywood.

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GRACE: And tonight, live, Virginia. I received this letter from a detective, Richmond, Virginia, begging our show to help find two little boys, 7 and 8 years old. Look at them. Are they not precious in those two little suits? Tonight, we will help. What happened these two little angels?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jamal Abdul`Faruq was just 7 when he went missing from his Richmond, Virginia, apartment complex, along with his older brother, 8-year-old Basil. The boys were out of school for spring break and begged their mom to let them go outside to play. But their mom had just worked the night shift hours earlier and decided to take a quick half- hour nap. When she awoke and went outside to tell Jamal and Basil to come in to eat, no one knew where her sons had gone. Police, volunteers and tracking dogs searched frantically for the boys for days. On the third day of search, Basil`s body discovered by a garbage truck driver, who picked up local garbage and dumped the trash in a landfill. The boy`s body had been bound and stuffed in a plastic garbage bag. But Basil`s brother, Jamal, never seen again. Is Jamal still alive?

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After Haleigh`s father, Ronald Cummings, and baby-sitter-turned-stepmother Misty Croslin handcuffed, arrested, booked, Haleigh`s father breaks his silence behind bars. Tonight, the rest of the Ronald Cummings jailhouse tapes. And tonight, word has leaked police convinced Misty Croslin is involved in Haleigh`s disappearance. In Cummings`s first jailhouse visit with his mother, he insists Croslin will crack.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So they haven`t questioned you or asked you if you`ve found out anything from Misty or found out anything from anybody else?

CUMMINGS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did they...

CUMMINGS: They know I haven`t found out anything, Dana. They know I haven`t because they know that they`d be the first ones to know. I wouldn`t call them or nothing else, they would be notified probably by the news media or somebody, you know, reporting a homicide. So they already know that I haven`t found out anything. They don`t have to ask me a dumb question like that.

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CUMMINGS: How (EXPLETIVE DELETED) could you let my daughter get stole (EXPLETIVE DELETED)?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think Misty knows more than -- everybody says that, you know, you`re trying to find out stuff from her. I mean, is that accurate?

CUMMINGS: That I`m trying to find out stuff from her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

CUMMINGS: Well, of course I want to know if she knows anything, what she does know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH`S BABY-SITTER: I just want anybody to know that I didn`t do anything with that little girl! I loved her like she was my own, and I`ll do anything to get her back!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) you know, they`re so certain that Misty knows something and that Misty is going to say something while she`s in there.

He just bawled when he talked about Haleigh. But he feels like that this may bring her home, you know? And if it does, then it`s absolutely worth whatever happens.

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GRACE: That is grandmother Teresa Neves talking to WOFL Fox 35 after visiting Ronald Cummings, that`s Haleigh`s father, behind bars.

Straight out to Art Harris at Artharris.com, investigative journalist. Art, why are they so sure that Misty knows what happened?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Well, this is what...

GRACE: Misty Croslin knows what happened to Haleigh Cummings?

HARRIS: Well, her contradictions have been mounting all the while, Nancy. She has been their number one key to unlocking this investigation, police have said. And now Ronald is saying that`s what they told him when they arrested him on these new drug charges.

GRACE: OK, what about it, Marlaina?

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, he told his mom that they are certain that this is going to get them answers. He thinks that now this is it. If she is in a detention center the way he is -- and he`s locked up and he -- because he says he`s going stir crazy -- it`s going to finally get her to talk.

GRACE: Let`s take a listen to some of the rest of Ronald Cummings`s jailhouse tapes.

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CUMMINGS: I mean, the 911 call -- I haven`t changed my mind about the 911 call since the minute it was made.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CUMMINGS: That still remains that it don`t matter, 40, 50 years from now, if I find out whoever done it before they do, you know, whatever might be done, whether they took Haleigh because they lost a child or whatever the case might be, you know. Yes, if I find out who or however, there`s two people, three people, whatever did it, whatever took my daughter wherever, then when I find out, if I find out before the police, it`s going to be done for them, done dealing. I`ll have satisfaction knowing that I got the person who stole my daughter from me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me ask you one other thing. How is -- what`s your relationship with Misty?

CUMMINGS: There really isn`t a relationship, you know, just, I guess, ex-wife-slash-friend.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. OK. And you have a girlfriend?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who`s that?

CUMMINGS: I`d rather not say. But yes, I do have a girlfriend.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me ask you this on the record. What do you think is going to happen to you?

CUMMINGS: I`m going to prison.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. That`s what you think, now, and that`s -- and that`s -- can you say how long you think?

CUMMINGS: No, I don`t have a clue.

Let me ask you this. Can you send me a newspaper every day, man, so I can read it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. Yes -- I don`t know. I`ll have to figure that out. But I`ll -- I`ll -- you know, I`ll do -- I`ll do what I can.

CUMMINGS: I mean, I`ll pay -- I`ll pay for the newspaper or whatever.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I can -- you can have a newspaper?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you just need somebody that can get it to you?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So how would you get it? Not by mail, but by -- would they -- do they bring people newspapers in the jail?

CUMMINGS: Well, what they do is, you get it -- it`ll be, like, by mail almost. I mean, all I know is that I can have reading materials. I haven`t asked, but I will ask if you want me to. But I can have reading materials. There`s just nothing left in the library. Everything`s already checked out except the Bible they brought me, so you know...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

I mean, the cell can`t be no more than 8 -- it might be 10 by 12, maybe, on the side where the toilet ain`t on. So on the side where the toilet`s at, it can`t be more than 8 by 10. That`s what I`m saying. It`s not -- this is not very big at all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn`t sound big. But I`ll tell you what. It`ll get smaller and smaller.

CUMMINGS: Oh, yes. It does.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do they let you read anything or let you have, you know...

CUMMINGS: I got a Bible finally last night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Patty in Texas. Hi, Patty.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First of all, I would like to say -- you know, give a heads-up and say that I want justice for Morgan. And then also, I wanted to find out -- do you know any information about this Donna Brock and her involvement in the arrest of Misty and Ronald?

GRACE: Oh, Patty in Texas, she`s in so deep. Go ahead, Art, and explain it.

HARRIS: Donna Brock -- Donna Brock is a confidante of Misty Croslin. She was on the scene as a volunteer for Texas Equusearch, went undercover, supposedly, to get close to Misty and try to find out by befriending her, taking her to nail and hair appointments, what she knew about the disappearance of Haleigh.

And I have talked to Donna numerous times over the last couple of months, and she believes that she does know more than she`s revealed.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What have they talked to you about? Have they talked to you about why they arrested you or have they -- have you talked to any detectives at all? Do they just -- or have you just been in jail?

CUMMINGS: I`ve just been in jail, man. They told me that I was being arrested for -- because they had warrants for me for trafficking in hydrocodone.

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CUMMINGS: I mean, the 911 call -- I haven`t changed my mind about the 911 call since the minute it was made.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CUMMINGS: That still remains that it don`t matter, 40, 50 years from now, if I find out whoever done it before they do, you know, whatever might be done, whether they took Haleigh because they lost a child or whatever the case might be, you know. Yes, if I find out who or however, there`s two people, three people, whatever did it, whatever took my daughter wherever, then when I find out, if I find out before the police, it`s going to be done for them, done dealing. I`ll have satisfaction knowing that I got the person who stole my daughter from me.

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911 OPERATOR: What`s her date of birth?

CUMMINGS: I`m going to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) kill somebody!

911 OPERATOR: OK. Tell him we understand. We need to get her date of birth.

CROSLIN: What`s her date of birth?

CUMMINGS: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) we need to find her! (EXPLETIVE DELETED) her date of birth!

911 OPERATOR: OK, sir, let me talk to your wife. Let me get some information from her.

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK. Can I talk to her?

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK.

CUMMINGS: How (EXPLETIVE DELETED) could you let my daughter get stole (EXPLETIVE DELETED)?

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CUMMINGS: I know somebody took my little girl, some sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when it`s all over!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What have they talked to you about? Have they talked to you about why they arrested you or have they -- have you talked to any detectives at all, or do they just -- are you just being in jail?

CUMMINGS: I`ve just been in jail, man. They told me that I was being arrested for -- because they had warrants for me for trafficking in hydrocodone.

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GRACE: Back to you, Marlaina Schiavo. Did Ronald Cummings actually make any of the sales on drugs, or was it all Misty and he was along for the ride?

SCHIAVO: Well, misty was at all of the sales. But yes, Ronald was there. I mean, they`re calling Misty...

GRACE: That was not what I asked you.

SCHIAVO: OK.

GRACE: I asked you, did he make the sales himself?

SCHIAVO: He did. He did. She called him on one of the transactions. She called him, went up to his truck, and he made the phone call, got the pills and gave them to the agent. And you know what, Nancy? We haven`t seen it yet, but we`re waiting on this video evidence that they have. And when I spoke to Ronald`s lawyer, they`re saying they`ve got a pretty good case against him, and her for that matter.

GRACE: OK, Marlaina, break down the charges for me. What do we have?

SCHIAVO: We have trafficking, Nancy, of prescription drugs. Now, we`ve got oxycodone and hydrocodone, and they range from 4 grams all the way to over 28 grams, each holding a manda -- mini -- mini -- mandam -- excuse me! -- mandatory minimum of their own. The 4 to 14 grams will get them three years, and the over 28 grams will get them 25 years. Misty is looking at over 100 years in prison, and Ronald`s looking at a hefty sentence himself, if convicted.

GRACE: I want to go to a special guest joining us, Crystal Cummings. This is Haleigh`s aunt. It is Ronald Cummings`s sister. Your mom was at the jail. What did Ronald Cummings say behind bars?

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS, RONALD`S SISTER (via telephone): He is pretty much saying that he wants the focus to be on Haleigh. He`s really worried about something coming out for Haleigh on this and his son. I mean, mostly that was what was talked about, his children.

GRACE: Did he say behind bars that he and/or cops are convinced that Misty Croslin knows what happened to Haleigh?

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: I`m not sure about that. I guess this is -- the arrest is supposed to bring something. If we can get anything out of Misty, my opinion, this should help. I mean, I`m not sure if that`s what`s going to go on, but I`m hoping that something -- we can get something out of Misty.

GRACE: Isn`t it true that he said behind bars that the reason he married Misty Croslin was to get the truth out of her about what happened to Haleigh?

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: I`m sure it is.

GRACE: What?

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: I`m sure it is.

GRACE: Why do you -- why are you sure?

CRYSTAL CUMMINGS: I can`t -- I can`t answer that question, Nancy.

GRACE: I want to go back to Art Harris. Art Harris, weigh in.

HARRIS: Nancy, I can tell you that that`s what Ronald Cummings told me one night. We were having dinner at a place in Satsuma. And he said that the reason he married her was, quote, "You keep your friends close and your enemies closer." That`s been stated before. But this is someone -- that night, he was very angry at her, Nancy, for her, quote, alleged partying ways. And he did not express that anger in public, but apparently, now he`s going public about his doubts about her.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. To Anne in Georgia. Hi, Anne.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, first of all, I`ve got a two-part question.

GRACE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One is, have the authorities got any reason to believe this child is still alive? And secondly, why would someone want to take this child from someone who has nothing to give them for the child back?

GRACE: That is an excellent question, Marlaina. What are police telling you about the possibility Haleigh`s still alive?

SCHIAVO: They have said all along that they are looking for a live Haleigh Cummings because, Nancy, there`s no evidence that foul play has been involved whatsoever.

GRACE: Out to the lawyers, Eleanor Odom, Atlanta, felony prosecutor, Peter Odom, defense attorney, Atlanta, Jason Oshins, New York.

What about it, Eleanor?

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Well, I think it`s very interesting that Ronald`s saying all these things from the jail. It`s clear what he believes, and he believes Misty is responsible for Haleigh`s disappearance. And having her in jail may make her talk, Nancy.

GRACE: What about it, Jason?

JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I agree. I agree with Eleanor. I think that you`re going to start at the bottom, squeeze until you get something out of the top. And hopefully, something good comes out of this for the Cummings family.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me ask you this on the record. What do you think is going to happen to you?

CUMMINGS: I`m going to prison.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. That`s what you think, man. That`s -- I mean, that`s -- can you say how long you think?

CUMMINGS: No, I don`t have a clue.

Somebody stole my child out of my bed. I come home from work and my child was not there.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: I`m going to go right back to Peter Odom. But first, back to you Art Harris. Apparently, these drug deals were caught not only on audio but on video. Now, how exactly did the undercover narcotics agent -- was he wearing, like, a pinhole videocamera?

HARRIS: No, his car was wired for the camera, kind of like "Taxicab Confessions." And he also had audio of all the cell phone calls between Misty and the undercover officer. Apparently, Nancy, there are hours of tape. And one of my sources close to the case says it`s really a, quote, "slam dunk." They`ve got six count, six incidents, and all five people on audio and videotape.

GRACE: OK, hold on just a moment. I`m hearing from the control room. Matt, are you telling me that he did have on a video -- on his person, and as Art Harris is saying, in the car? OK.

All right, to Bill Golodner, former NYPD, president of Kindershield Agency. Bill, how does that work? Where -- your body -- I mean, I worked with wires when I was prosecuting, undercover wires. I never rigged somebody with a wearable video.

BILL GOLODNER, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: Nancy, there are a variety of ways that covert videocameras can be secreted on the body. Some of them can be used as a buttonhole camera. A button in the shirt is replaced with a videocamera. It`s a pinhole camera, where the lens is actually the button. It`s worn on the body and it connects to a DVR, a digital videocam recorder that is about the size of a pack of cigarettes, that can record for a number of three or four hours at a clip.

Also, the camera can be hidden in a pair of sunglasses. It can be in a baseball cap. It could be in a book or a cup of coffee. There`s a variety of ways to secrete these cameras, and they`re very good digital cameras these days.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s your relationship with Misty?

CUMMINGS: There really isn`t a relationship, you know, just, I guess, ex-wife-slash-friend.

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RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: Let me ask you this.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Yes.

CUMMINGS: Can you spend me a newspaper every day, man, so I can read it?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: I don`t know. Yes, yes, I don`t know. I`ll have to figure that out. But I -- you know, I`ll do what I can.

CUMMINGS: I mean, I`ll pay for the newspaper or whatever.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: No, I can -- you can have a newspaper?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: You just need somebody to get it to you?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: How would you get it? Not by mail. Do they bring people newspapers in the jail?

CUMMINGS: Well, what they do is you get it -- it`ll be like by mail almost. I mean, all I know is that I can have reading materials. I haven`t asked but I will ask if you want me to. But I can have reading materials. There`s just nothing left in the library. Everything is already checked out except the bible they brought me so, you know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was the bed made?

MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH CUMMINGS` BABYSITTER, LAST SEEN HALEIGH: No, I was sleeping in that bed. How was it be made if someone was sleeping in the bed? I wasn`t the only one sleeping in it, but how would it -- me and his son -- how would the bed be made if we were on the bed sleeping.

They`ve been on me for six months. They haven`t left me alone for six months. I`ve been the one, the main focus. They just need to move on and look for the right person.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: That`s what her mom told me. That she had that tattoo and you paid for it, paid for one for your cousin. You`re her boyfriend.

CUMMINGS: I did not pay for her tattoo and I didn`t pay for my cousin`s tattoo. My cousin paid for her own tattoo and Misty paid for her own tattoo.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: OK. Well, I`m glad to clear that up.

CUMMINGS: Yes. I appreciate it because I did not pay for them tattoos.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: OK. I know it`s off topic, but Art, what tattoo?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, ARTHARRIS.COM, INTERVIEWED MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH`S NEW STEPMOM: Misty has a tattoo on her lower back, Nancy. Got it in the last few weeks. And the name on the tattoo is Ronald. It`s of her ex-husband, which is a little strange, you know, coming in the middle of -- or after their divorce, and certainly, although it`s in the middle of their new, quote, "drug partnership."

I mean, they were together in a business deal, my sources are telling me. And, you know, he was getting drugs for the deal and passing them out. She was calling her contacts. This was a family affair.

GRACE: OK. Art, what can you tell me about Misty Croslin`s father. You just spoke to him. Look, forget about the drugs. All right? That`s just a tool to find out what happened to Haleigh.

HARRIS: Right.

GRACE: What did the father say about Misty Croslin?

HARRIS: He was shocked, Nancy, that she has been accused of being, quote, "the ring leader" behind this. The alleged mastermind. She said she`s not a leader of anything.

GRACE: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Put Harris back up. That is a video of her, we were just showing you in court, where they asked her, how do you make a living? She says -- what do you do? She says, "Nothing."

How did the parents think she lived?

HARRIS: Well, he did say that if she was dealing drugs, she was only trying to, quote, "help out some friends," Nancy. And it was really a rationalization. As far as Tommy, her brother, goes -- I talked to his wife Lindsay, she says Tommy is not a criminal, he`s an addict.

She`s been trying to get him to rehab. The program that she tried is $8,700 a month. She doesn`t have the money. She could get him committed for 72 hours but he would get out and want more hydrocodone.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Suzi, Ohio. Hi, Suzi.

SUZI, CALLER FROM OHIO: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

SUZI: OK. Since the beginning I`ve wondered about this. Do you think something may be accidentally or on purpose happened to Haleigh before Ron went to work? But he went to work anyway to establish his alibi, because we already know hers is that she was sleeping.

Because it`s awfully strange, they`re divorced. They`ve never went after each other. It`s almost like they`re sharing a secret, now they`re drug buddies.

GRACE: You know, Suzi, as you started the question I was all set to say no, I really do not think Ronald Cummings had anything to do with it. I still don`t. My gut says no. But what you`re saying about their ongoing association is extremely puzzling. You know, you`ve got a good point.

What about it, Bethany Marshall? Dr. Bethany, joining us from L.A., author of "Dealbreakers."

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": I think the problem here and what creates this dysfunction and this ongoing connection between the two of them is that Ronald Cummings lacks big picture thinking.

He left his children in the hands of someone who is dealing drugs and perhaps using them herself. That`s lack of big picture thinking. He thinks that if he commits vigilante justice, justice will be served. But then who`s going to parent little Junior? He won`t be available to his own child.

He went and dealt drugs, but he didn`t think that he would be caught. That`s lack of big picture thinking. And what I would really advise him at this point is that he find a trusted friend or adviser, perhaps even his attorney who can help him think through these various situations.

I think that is the only help to be had for this family system at this point and perhaps he can lead the charge towards greater sobriety and better judgment.

GRACE: Well, believe me, he`s going to get sobriety behind bars.

To you, Peter Odom, what do you think the prosecutor`s plan is? And what do you make of this video and audio cops say they`ve got of every one of these deals?

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, this evidence that`s been collected is very typical of drug task force type investigations. It sounds like it`s solid, solid evidence. Very hard to overcome.

The police know that they have a solid case against these two and they`re going to be trying very hard, as Jason Oshins said, to squeeze everybody, to not only give up higher drug dealers, but to get information about the disappearance of this little girl.

This is a power play. And unfortunately, Ronald and Misty played right into the police`s hands here.

GRACE: To Pat Brown, criminal profiler, author of "Killing for Sport." Do you think she even remembers what happened?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "KILLING FOR SPORT": Absolutely. And I think Ronald is pulling her strings. I have to agree with the caller and disagree with Bethany Marshall.

I think Ronald is criminal, pathologically lying psychopath who is controlling his girlfriend. After all, this is a guy who said he would go out and kill people to get them back for doing something to his child but he won`t even beat up his girlfriend to find out why she`s lying about what happened to her.

He is controlling her and is probably very afraid of what she`s going to say in that jail cell. So I don`t think he`s thinking she`s going to crack. He`s going to get some information. I think he`s worried that she will crack.

GRACE: So you think that he was part of it?

BROWN: I do. I think -- I don`t believe that this kind of guy.

GRACE: OK, wait a minute.

BROWN: . would have backed her all this time.

GRACE: Wait. Wait. Wait. Liz, pull me that 911 sound of Ronald Cummings. To me, this sounds so genuine. I see, I see that you`re smiling. You`re not buying it.

BROWN: Yes.

GRACE: Why?

BROWN: Because this man is -- I have seen psychopathic behavior all along with this man. He said -- he stood in front of the cameras. I remember it was Geraldo, I think. He said I have never dealt drugs in my life. I am not that kind of guy.

Hello? Of course he`s that kind of guy. He`s always been that kind of guy. He is a pathological liar who`s a good actor and a good manipulator. He knew exactly what he`s doing on that tape.

I don`t think any of that is true. I think he knew what happened. He`s covering it up. And I think he`s got his little girlfriend, ex-wife, whatever you want to call her now, drug dealing friend who he supposedly should be really angry at and furious at. Not want to have anything to do with her. He`s got her in his hands.

GRACE: OK. You take a listen to the 911 tape.

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UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK, sir, let me talk to you wife. Let me get some information from her.

CUMMINGS: Man. (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK. Can I talk to her? OK.

CUMMINGS: How the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) can you let my daughter get stoke, bitch? I just got home from work, my 5-year-old daughter is gone.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK.

CUMMINGS: I need somebody to be here now. I`m telling you.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Listen to me, listen to me. We got two officers.

CUMMINGS: If I find whoever has my daughter before you all do I`m killing him. I don`t care. I`ll spend the rest of my life in prison.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: That`s OK. OK.

CUMMINGS: I`m telling you. You can put it on recording. I don`t care.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK. It`s OK, sir. We`ve got them on the way. OK? Can you give me any -- what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing?

CUMMINGS: I don`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) know. I was at work.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: The officers are going to come out there and do what they can. We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?

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GRACE: Eleanor, I`ve got 10 seconds to break. Do you think he`s lying? You heard the 911.

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: It doesn`t sound like he`s lying but what`s interesting to me is when he said, how can you let me daughter get stole?

GRACE: Everybody, we are taking your calls live.

Very quickly, tonight`s "NG Family Album." Here are some photos of the twins. Now, this is us last summer at the beach. This is John David and Lucy with daddy. Hey, listen, on the Jersey shore, it is not warm, people. That`s why we have on sweaters and long pants. There they are swinging.

And now your photos. Here`s Texas friends, the Smiths. Mom of three, Angela watches every night with her little crime fighters, Casey, Jaden and Braden. I could just eat them up.

And Illinois friends of the show, Trevor, Fran, Robin, and Jay, they never miss the show. What a family.

And tonight, our thoughts and prayers with Army Specialist Trevor and his unit. Bravo Detachment 24th, (INAUDIBLE) Ft. Stuart, Georgia. Deploying to Afghanistan in just a few hours.

God bless you and come home.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Have they asked you about Haleigh yet?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: When was that?

CUMMINGS: Wednesday right after they captured me. Or after they handed me whoever they want to call it.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: OK. What happened?

CUMMINGS: They just told me that their main focus is not on putting me in jail, but finding Haleigh. They didn`t really question me. They already know that I don`t know nothing about Haleigh`s disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Right, right.

CUMMINGS: Otherwise I already would have been in DOC.

JUDGE CHARLES TINLIN, ST. JOHNS COUNTY JAIL: What do you think do for a living, ma`am?

CROSLIN: Nothing.

TINLIN: I`m sorry?

CROSLIN: Nothing.

TINLIN: How do you support yourself?

CROSLIN: My mom and my dad.

TINLIN: How old are you?

CROSLIN: Just turned 18.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Have they asked you about Haleigh yet?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls live tonight. We get the rest of the Ronald Cummings jailhouse tapes where he says, behind bars, that cops are convinced Misty Croslin knows where Haleigh is.

There`s no way she can know where Haleigh is and not be part of her death or disappearance. There`s no way.

I want to go to Dr. Marty Makary, physician and professor of public health at Johns Hopkins.

Give it to me straight, Marty. All right? How hard is it going to be to get her straight? I mean, to get her off the sauce?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Well, let`s face it. We`re talking about dealing some -- dealing with some pretty serious medications here. I mean, Oxycodone and hydrocodone.

These substances are sort of like the oral version of propofol, the same substance that killed Michael Jackson. So we`re talking about some drug dealing involved here. Over 300 pills? I mean you only need about 10 to overdose. So we`re talking about issues of psychological trauma, detachment, drug dealing, and the murder all in the background of it all.

GRACE: Ingrid in Arkansas, hi, Ingrid. What`s your question, dear?

INGRID, CALLER FROM ARKANSAS: I got only one of them.

GRACE: OK.

INGRID: Since he was living in the trailer, didn`t he have a septic tank there? Did he ever drain the septic tank and check if there was some body in there?

GRACE: To Marlaina Schiavo, didn`t they check in the septic tank?

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: They`ve checked everywhere. They even checked bodies of water, all in the surrounding area. They`ve even drained ponds, and no, no body.

GRACE: Well, I tell you this much. With all these drug deals now on video, I used to say what else could a jury want? A video? They`ve got the video. Somebody better crack.

I want to take you very quickly and ask for your help. I got this letter to our show from detectives asking our show to help find two little boys. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Little 7-year-old Jamal Abdul Faruq and his brother 8-year-old brother Basil were on spring break, enjoying their time off. The two boys went outside of their Richmond, Virginia apartment in the afternoon to play while their mother took a nap.

Just 30 minutes later, mom wakes up. She goes outside to call the boys in to eat but they`re nowhere to be found. A massive search under way. Three days later, police call the boys` parents to tell them the body of their oldest son Basil has been found, murdered and dumped in a local landfill. His brother Jamal`s whereabouts unknown.

Police still on the hunt for the boy`s killer, holding out hope Jamal might still be alive.

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GRACE: This letter is from Detective James P. Baines, city of Richmond.

Everyone, the tip line in this case, 804-780-6748. This went down in Richmond, Virginia. One little boy we know is dead. The other still missing.

Alexis Weed, what can you tell me?

ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: There`s a very real possibility that the younger boy Jamal is still alive. There was never any evidence found that he was either with his brother, that he had been taken even at the same time. So there`s a real possibility that he`s out there and there`s actually been two tips that have come in recently from the Georgia area, Hinesville, Georgia, that maybe there was a sighting of Jamal. He now would be 27 years old.

GRACE: I want to go to Jason Oshins, defense attorney in New York. How much do you think rewards would help, Jason?

JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think rewards and what you`re doing right now at the behest of the detectives in Richmond, that`s what it`s all about. It`s about making cases profile so it stirs something. Tips come in. Whether they`re accurate or they`re in the neighborhood, that`s what stirs law enforcement to keep digging and to keep going. So it`s very motivating, Nancy, absolutely.

GRACE: And to Pat Brown, criminal profiler, what do you make of the mode of the death of the one little boy? Basil had been gagged, he had been bound with duct tape, he even put in a garbage bag. Sounds very much like the murder of little Casey Anthony -- Caylee Anthony.

BROWN: Right. Well, it sound like to me a sexual predator. And he likely grabbed both of the boys. Maybe not necessarily wanting both of them but they were together. And the older one was the one that was killed.

And a lot of times brothers will protect their little brothers and they will fight and they will be the ones that are killed first because they become an annoyance, shall we say, to the predator. So then he goes - - takes care of the one and then he enjoys himself with the second.

I -- one thing we hope that, you know, with 20 years passing, is someone out there will turn on this guy. They`ll remember back, no longer have connections with them. And no longer, you know, be afraid of him and they will give up some information, and say, I remember that creepy guy.

And I think he was the one who was responsible and maybe that will help.

GRACE: Everyone, again, the tip line 804-780-6748. One brother murdered, found in the trash. The other, never found.

Eleanor, weigh in.

ODOM: Well, Nancy, I think it`s great with the cold case squads and prosecutors specializing this because sometimes a fresh pair of eyes looking at the evidence can uncover something. Especially in evidence now where we can test pieces for DNA, even a hair where that type of testing wasn`t available 20 years ago.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Shirley in Kansas, hi, Shirley.

SHIRLEY, CALLER FROM KANSAS: Hi, how are you, Nancy?

GRACE: I`m good, dear.

SHIRLEY: I have a little 103-year-old woman that enjoys your show. I can hear you.

GRACE: Well, I want to learn your secret to longevity. How did you make it to 103?

SHIRLEY: Well, it`s a little lady that I take care of.

GRACE: How did she make it to 103?

SHIRLEY: Well, just a lot of hard work but she never had any children.

GRACE: Well, you know, I hope my children are going to help me live longer. What`s your question, dear?

SHIRLEY: OK, the little boys that went missing. Did their parents live together at the time?

GRACE: Good question. Alexis Weed, what were the conditions?

WEED: Well, the parents were divorced at the time. They were living in separate residences. And the boys had been dropped off just shortly before they were playing outside by their stepmother to be with their mother and the mother actually, she took a cat nap. She took a 30-minute nap because she had just worked the night shift and she was exhausted.

GRACE: Everyone, quick break. As we go to break, happy 6th birthday to California friend, a tiny crime fighter, Xavier. You may remember him. He`s the brave boy who got a kidney transplant thanks to the help of friends of this show.

Today, he loves kindergarten, his new friends and he finally met the mother of the donor who saved his life.

Happy birthday, little Xavier.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Jamal Abdul Faruq was just 7 when he went missing, along with his older brother, 8-year-old Basil. The boy`s body had been bound and stuffed in a plastic garbage bag. But Basil`s brother, Jamal, never seen again.

Is Jamal still alive?

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GRACE: How do you go about reconstructing a case like this, Bill Golodner?

BILL GOLODNER, FMR. NYPD DETECTIVE, PRESIDENT OF KINDERSHIELD AGENCY: The thing to do at this point is to try to see what is left in the case to look at. Was there evidence that can be gone over?

What`s really going to break this case, Nancy, is if this creep, this monster who killed this one child and may have killed a second, if he speaks to anybody about it, is there going to be a deathbed dying declaration maybe that this creep will want to make it right?

Beyond that, if he speaks to anyone else and they feel a pang of morality, maybe they`ll spill their guts and find him.

GRACE: OK, back to you, Alexis Weed, do police hold out any hope in solving this? Did they use every technique? Have they re-examined the dead body for DNA?

WEED: Well, Nancy, I don`t know if they`ve re-examined the body. However, certainly they hold out hope. They`re following up on these tips. One of the problems they`re having with these tips, though, is that they`re coming in anonymously. These two tips in the Georgia area.

And so they haven`t been able to track these calls to verify all of the information that was left in the call.

GRACE: Well, something that Eleanor said earlier, Peter Odom, that at the time they went missing we were not as advanced in DNA.

P. ODOM: Right.

GRACE: How difficult would it be to exhume the body of the dead child, I.D. the perp, and then find the perp, and find the other boy?

P. ODOM: Difficult but possible to exhume the body. Takes a court order but it can be very fruitful, Nancy. We`re solving lots of crimes with the advances in DNA technology. So it might be something law enforcement should be doing.

GRACE: And I assume, Alexis Weed, that the focus was originally on the parents, correct?

WEED: It was and the father was under quite a bit of scrutiny in the beginning. His home was searched pursuant to warrants and they did take a lot of evidence from the father`s home.

However, I should say that at this point neither of the parents are suspects and have never been considered suspects.

GRACE: Jason Oshins, weigh in.

OSHINS: We`re doing the best that we can do for the family in keeping it in the limelight, if you will, and hopefully, as Mr. Golodner said, something triggers this one way or the other and that we find some resolution to this matter.

GRACE: Two little boys, victimized. 804-7806-748.

Let`s stop and remember Army Colonel Brian Allgood, 46, (INAUDIBLE), Oklahoma, killed Iraq. A West Point grad, earned a doctor of medicine degree from University of Oklahoma. An orthopedic surgeon, the top medical officer for U.S. troops in Iraq.

Also served Korea as commanding officer of the medical facility. Highly decorated, awarded the Legion of Merit, Bronze Star, Purple Heart. Joint Service Achievement medal, Army Achievement medal.

Loved outdoors, fishing. Leaves behind grieving parents, Cleo and Jerry, an army vet, brother, Bradley, sister, Becky, widow Jane, son Wyatt.

Brian Allgood, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but our biggest thank you to you.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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