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NANCY GRACE

Misty Croslin Home, Still Won`t Talk to Police

Aired September 30, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Satsuma, Florida. A 5- year-old little girl tucked into bed. Five hours later, she`s gone, vanished, the back door propped wide open. Daddy comes home from the night shift to find not a trace of little Haleigh. The last person to see the 5- year-old alive that night, new stepmother Misty Croslin.

Bombshell tonight. Croslin skips town after a bitter fight with Haleigh`s father, Ronald Cummings. Tonight, police locate Croslin. As we go to air, we learn she refuses to talk to police, who want her re- questioned about Haleigh`s disappearance. Police surveillance on Croslin. They say she won`t give straight answers or account for crucial hours surrounding the alleged kidnap.

In the last hours, Croslin`s mother in a Tennessee courtroom on felony forgery out of Florida, bond once a whopping $100,000, now no bond until Florida cops take her home. She already publicly states Croslin hasn`t come clean about the night Haleigh vanishes. What else will she tell police now that she`s behind bars? Croslin`s brother confesses in his own jailhouse interrogation he goes to Haleigh`s house the night she goes missing, pounds on the door, nobody home.

In another development a woman caught on grainy surveillance video delivers a detailed tip as to Haleigh`s location. Police investigate, and we have the video. Where -- where -- was new stepmother Misty Croslin during those crucial hours when Haleigh goes missing? And tonight, where is Haleigh?

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

RONALD CUMMINGS, HALEIGH`S FATHER: If I find whoever has my daughter before y`all do, I`m killing them. I don`t care. I`ll spend the rest of my life in prison. I`m telling you. You can put it on recording. I don`t care.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Days of speculation have ended. Haleigh Cummings` stepmom, Misty Croslin, has been found. Why did she go away, and what does she know?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve been told that she was on a foray to one of the amusement parks. I can confirm she was at Universal Studios with a friend, and she was seen wearing a Haleigh pendant around her neck.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say they know where to find Misty, but Misty doesn`t want to speak with police.

MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH`S BABY-SITTER/STEPMOTHER: People think that I had something to do with it. If I had something to do with it, I knew where she was, we wouldn`t be sitting here today. We would have her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A tip letter surfaces that gives specific directions to an alleged burial site where Haleigh`s body can be found just a few hundred yards from Haleigh`s home, stuffed in a garbage bag in a well.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re told the letter isn`t very long, just a paragraph or so that ends with someone`s initials. But more than seven months after Haleigh disappeared, it could finally contain information to help crack the case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You never know when the one`s going to come in that`ll make the case, and this could be it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Misty`s mother, Lisa Croslin, may be questioned yet again by authorities. Why? And where is the investigation headed in the desperate attempt to find out what exactly happened to little Haleigh?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have faith in God to take care of my baby girl and find her. And I don`t care who had something to do with it, those are the people who need to be put away.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And tonight, live to Nashville in the search for a 4-day-old baby boy snatched by a woman posing as Immigration. Mommy answers the front door, to be stabbed repeatedly. Tonight, Mommy makes a desperate plea from the hospital to find her tiny boy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I heard a loud beating at the door -- Please help me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Federal agents and Nashville police are searching for this missing newborn from Tennessee. Four-day-old Yair Anthony Carillo was reportedly ripped from his mother`s arms...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The woman is covered from blood to her head all the way down to her toes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Maria Gurrollo said a woman showed up at her house posing as an immigration agent. The woman demanded her baby and then stabbed her when she refused to hand him over.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When Ms. Gurrollo said, Who are you, a struggle ensued. She was stabbed several times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`d been slashed across the throat.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Perhaps this individual was obsessed with children. Perhaps this individual had claimed to be pregnant for a long period of time but never was pregnant. This person has to have friends or family who know some peculiarity about them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Also, after 30 years hiding out in luxury in Europe, a Hollywood superstar finally behind bars. Thirty years ago, he admits to raping a 13-year-old little girl at the home of movie star Jack Nicholson. That little girl testified under oath he also forced anal sodomy on her. She was just 13.

Tonight, Hollywood superstars coming out of the woodwork for Polanski`s release. They`re, quote, "shocked." They`re shocked. Well, they`re not shocked he raped and sodomized a 13-year-old little girl, a girl he got drunk on champagne and quaaludes. No, they`re shocked he was arrested. Shame on Hollywood! Tonight, Polanski behind bars. Lady Justice comes through, thank heaven, better late than never.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a disturbing yet growing defense of Roman Polanski in this country, and it`s coming from Hollywood. A look at the list of high-profile people who are defending this superstar director -- Martin Scorsese, Woody Allen, Debra Winger.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We hope today this latest order will be dropped. It is based on a three-decade-old case that is all but dead except for a minor technicality.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is for me a shock, and I`m ashamed to be Swiss, that Swiss is doing such a thing to a brilliant, fantastic genius.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Evidence shows that he got a little girl drunk, he gave a little girl drugs, he sodomized a little girl.

SAMANTHA GEIMER, VICTIM: He wanted to take some pictures in the hot tub. I was in there topless. Then he got in the hot tub. That progressed to, you know, eventually, Why don`t you come in here and lay down, in a very dark room. And that`s when I really realized, you know, what his intentions were.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was 13. He was 43. He gave her champagne and a quaalude. She said no. He still went ahead and had unlawful sex intercourse with her many different ways.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Despite that, Polanski continues to receive support from Hollywood.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. New stepmother Misty Croslin skips town after a bitter fight with Haleigh`s father, Ronald Cummings. Tonight, police track her down.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CROSLIN: I`m just trying to do everything to find her, you know, answer any questions I have to, because I know I didn`t do anything to that little girl. I would never hurt her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cops say they`re keeping a close watch on the last person to see Haleigh alive, Misty Croslin. But Misty has a lawyer and doesn`t want to speak with police.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve thought all along that she had something to do with it, and now this kind of just proves it. I mean, she`s the last one to see our daughter, and her stories just don`t add up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Misty Croslin left Haleigh`s dad, Ronald Cummings, for days. Where did she go, and why did she just come back?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was a 16-year-old child whose job was to look after somebody else`s two young children, and I can only imagine that this girl would want to get out and have some fun of some kind.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This as authorities plan to question Misty`s mom, Lisa Croslin, with regard to Haleigh`s disappearance as early as this week. But why?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This mother, remember, came out against Misty and said that she believed that her son was telling the truth and that Misty was not. Maybe they want to put her in jail so they can ask tough questions about why she came to such a conclusion.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s one paragraph long, typed, and has three letters at the bottom that resemble initials.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If the information is accurate, it`s going to be pretty volatile.

CROSLIN: They go out and look for that person, I mean, they`d have (INAUDIBLE) but they`re trying to get all the answers from me that I don`t have.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to T.J. Hart, program and news director WSKY 97.3. T.J., thank you for being with us. T.J., how long was she actually gone?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3 FM: She was gone for the better part of a week, about six to eight days off and on. But she`d been in contact with her family, and she`s been accounted for.

GRACE: And T.J., why is she still refusing to talk to cops? They have told her they want to re-question her about the night Haleigh goes missing.

HART: She has a standing invitation, according to Major Bowling and others at the Putnam County sheriff`s office, to come in anytime she wishes, to come in and straighten out that timeline. Her attorney has not made an offer to bring her in for questioning, and she has not gone in since the last time...

GRACE: OK.

HART: ... she came for questioning for a week.

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Out to Lakisha, Indiana. Hi, Lakisha.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I watch you every night. I was just wondering...

GRACE: Thank you. And thank you for calling in. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re welcome, sweetheart. I was just wondering, where is Misty Cummings tonight and if she`s been in touch with Ronald since she`s been gone all this time?

GRACE: Marlaina Schiavo, what about it?

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Misty is in the Satsuma area. Actually, tonight she`s with Teresa`s -- excuse me -- she`s with Ronald`s mother, Teresa.

GRACE: Now, when you say she`s in the Satsuma area, is she back in the home with Haleigh`s father, Ronald Cummings?

SCHIAVO: Yes. She lives in the home. She`s back in the home with Ronald at Ronald`s grandmother`s.

GRACE: OK. So you`re telling me they`re together?

SCHIAVO: That`s what I`m being told, Nancy.

GRACE: So Marlaina, after all this time, where had she been? I know she doesn`t have a job. Ronald Cummings has put so much effort into trying to find his missing 5-year-old daughter, he has been let go from his job. How did she manage to stay down at Disney World for a week in Orlando, living it up at Epcot? You know how much those tickets cost to get in?

SCHIAVO: I do, Nancy. And you know, she was with somebody. We don`t know who she was with. We`re told she was with a friend. But when I spoke to Teresa, she said that those -- that the money and -- that went into this trip was paid before by someone she knows. So it was coming from somebody else. It wasn`t coming from Misty`s funds.

GRACE: OK. Joining me right now is a special guest. Teresa Neves is with us tonight. This is Haleigh`s grandmother. Ms. Neves, thank you for being with us. You have supported Croslin from the get-go. Why won`t she speak to police tonight?

TERESA NEVES, HALEIGH`S PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: Miss Nancy, that is a decision made by her attorney. She has gone in several times voluntarily, against his wish. I guess she is waiting on him to say, Yes, let`s do this.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: What`s her date of birth?

CUMMINGS: Y`all are (DELETED) playing games, man! I`m going to (DELETED) kill somebody!

911 OPERATOR: OK. Tell him we understand. We need to get her date of birth.

CROSLIN: What`s her date of birth?

CUMMINGS: (DELETED) her birthday! We need to find her!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CUMMINGS: Somebody stole my child out of my bed. I come home from work, and my child was not there.

CROSLIN: I put her to bed and -- about 8:00 o`clock. And I woke up and she was gone, and the back door was wide open.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you believe that Misty was indeed home and that she`s been telling the truth?

CUMMINGS: Yes, I believe she`s telling the truth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is still the most important witness in this case. She`s the last person to see the children. She was with them. She`s an important person to be spoken to.

CROSLIN: They haven`t left me alone for six months. I`ve been the one, the main focus. They just need to move on and look for the right person.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: The officers are going to come out there and do what they can. We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?

CUMMINGS: Give me my (DELETED) phone! I got better people to talk to than a (DELETED) (DELETED) that ain`t coming!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Why are you so sure Haleigh is still with us?

NEVES: Because I stand on God`s promise that if you pray and believe, that he will give you what you pray for.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Joining us right now is Haleigh`s grandmother. You just saw her, Teresa Neves. Ms. Neves, does Croslin, Misty Croslin, Haleigh`s stepmother, realize the firestorm she created by dropping out of sight for all these days in the midst of the search for Haleigh?

NEVES: I do not think so, Miss Nancy. I don`t think that anyone thought that it would be that big a deal. There were arrangements made for her and Ronald to do something with Junior. Those arrangements had to be changed, and Misty just continued on with those plans without Ronald and Junior.

GRACE: Then why couldn`t anyone seem to tell us exactly where she was during that time?

NEVES: I don`t know why anyone couldn`t tell you that because I could tell you.

GRACE: Really? There were so many conflicting reports about where she had been. Ms. Neves, again, you are stating that you believe she`s waiting for the OK from her lawyer to talk to police.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: OK. In light of the fact that her new stepchild, her little girl is missing and police want to talk to her, hopefully, to clear up questions and find the child, don`t you think she should be at the police station right now instead of waiting for a possible call from a lawyer?

NEVES: My personal opinion, that attorney should have made this trip six months ago, but I can`t tell that attorney how to do his job.

GRACE: But you can. I mean, she is with you. She is with you and Ronald at your home. You can. You and Ronald can talk to her.

NEVES: Yes, ma`am, we can, and we have. But we cannot make her attorney do anything.

GRACE: Ms. Neves, she said at one juncture that she believes up to four people were in the home the night Haleigh went missing, but then chalked it up to a dream-like interlude that she had. What does she say about that? Who were the people in the home that evening?

NEVES: Miss Nancy, I have not seen that. I have asked her about it. She says that that did not happen. You know, if I haven`t seen it and I can`t prove it, then I can`t actually confront her with something that she says did not happen.

GRACE: Ms. Neves, I don`t mean to grill you, but it just doesn`t all fit together. You`ve got her brother claiming he came to the home that evening at 9:30 to 9:45. She said she didn`t go to sleep until 10:00 PM. He says he banged on the door to get in touch with her and nobody came. How does she respond to that? Was she really home?

NEVES: She still stands firm on the fact that she was at home. To me, it`s a very dysfunctional family, and that`s the best way I can describe that. One minute, they -- you know, they say one thing, and then the next minute, they call and say, Well, I was sorry, you know, I didn`t mean to say that and we`ll do better next time. So I just don`t know what to think of the whole thing.

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. To Valerie in Canada. Hi, Valerie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you tonight?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. Thank you for calling in. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m just curious. Do you think that perhaps Haleigh`s kidnapping could be some form of retaliation to perhaps money that Misty may have been owing to the people she was allegedly partying with that weekend and...

GRACE: OK. Good question. We know that Misty Croslin was AWOL for three days prior, the three days just before the little girl goes missing.

Let`s unleash the lawyers -- Susan Moss, child advocate New York, Renee Rockwell, defense attorney, Atlanta, Paul Batista, renowned defense attorney, author of "Death`s Witness," joining us from New York.

Renee Rockwell, that only happens in the movies, all right? You don`t steal somebody`s child to get, for instance, a drug debt back. If they want money out of you, they come and break your knees. They chase you down and beat you up. That`s how that works. Would you agree or disagree?

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, I do agree that that is a fantastic explanation as to where the child is. But when you`re fooling around with drugs and you have people potentially taking drugs or drugs lying around, it`s very easy to imagine that something may have gone amiss...

GRACE: OK...

ROCKWELL: ... if everybody`s just passed out on the couch.

GRACE: Well, going amiss, Sheryl McCollum, and kidnapping for a drug debt or some other debt are two different things.

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: Absolutely. And again, Nancy, there`s been no ransom, there`s been no call, you know, We`re doing this for retaliation. Not what happened.

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(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?

CUMMINGS: Give me my (DELETED) phone! I`ve got better people to talk to than a (DELETED) (DELETED) that ain`t coming!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CROSLIN: They haven`t left me alone for six months. I`ve been the one, the main focus. They just need to move on and look for the right person.

NEVES: I believe Haleigh is alive. I have faith in God to take care of my baby girl and to find her. And I don`t care who had something to do with it, those are the people who need to be put away and bring my baby girl home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Right now, Marc Klaas is joining us, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation, child advocate. She`s back in town. Police have located her, have tracked her down, but new stepmother Misty Croslin is not speaking to police. That`s over. Marc Klaas, when your little girl went missing, you practically laid on the steps of the police station and said, Please take my DNA, polygraph me, hook me up, do it now, I don`t want to wait so you can find who took her.

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: And that happened 16 years ago tomorrow, on October 1st. Here`s the problem. I mean, what Misty needs to do is come forth and tell the truth, and she`s obviously not doing that because there are inconsistencies in her very self-serving story. And the truth doesn`t have versions, at least not coming from one person.

Ironically, it seems like the last holdout, the last person that is really giving her an ability to not go out and tell the truth is Ron, who seems to have become her enabler through this whole thing, Ron and his family. It seems to me that they should put their foot down and tell Misty that the time for being vague is over.

It may very well be that she doesn`t know what happened to the little girl that night, but that doesn`t mean that she was there or wasn`t there. She`s not being truthful. The police don`t know what happened, and they need to know.

GRACE: T.J. Ward, private investigator. Weigh in, T.J.

T.J. WARD, PERFORMED VOICE ANALYSIS ON MISTY (via telephone): Hey, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: Good.

WARD: Let me tell you, I let her -- I went down there to Florida on her request because she failed two polygraphs and she wanted to clear her name. She, in fact, when she talked about going to sleep and laying down, it`s false statement, deception. That`s one of the things that bothered me. She said she woke up and (INAUDIBLE) another inaccuracy. And I asked her directly, I said, Do you know anything about Haleigh going missing? And she said, No, I do not, nothing at all. Inaccuracy, deception. Again I said, Do you know any persons that may be involved about taking Haleigh? I don`t know. Inaccuracy.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The suspect, a woman, knocked heavily on the door. The mother, Maria Gurrolla, answered the door.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She told us that the woman came to her door and said she was Immigration and that she was going to arrest her. And she asked her to identify herself, and the woman began to hit her and pulled out a knife and began to stab her.

ERIC PETERSON, NEIGHBOR OF MARIA GURROLLA, RESCUED GURROLLA`S 3-YR-OLD DAUGHTER: Covered from blood to her head all the way down to her toes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She suffered nine stab wounds.

PETERSON: Got big holes in her neck from being stabbed. She`d been slashed across the throat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But she was able to get out of the house and run across the street for help. And when they returned the baby was gone.

PETERSON: She started saying they`re after me, they`re after me. I said we got you right here. You ain`t got to worry about them after you no more.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An Amber Alert has been issued for missing Yair Gurrolla.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Who could stab a new mom and take a five-day- old baby like this?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to Marc Stewart with WSMZ. A mother answers the door to whom she thinks is an immigration agent. The woman, the assailant is a woman? That`s highly unusual, Marc. Who stabs the mother repeatedly? The face, the chest, the breast, all over her body. And snatches the four-day-old baby?

MARC STEWART, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE, WSMV, OUTSIDE VICTIM`S HOUSE: Nancy, that does seem perhaps unlikely, but it`s the only theory, at least publicly, that police are talking about. They say perhaps this woman knew that Maria had just given birth to a son and perhaps followed her, targeted her, wanted a child herself and perhaps orchestrated this attack.

That`s the leading theory, at least publicly, police are saying. And off the record, discussions with our sources, we`re hearing nothing else.

GRACE: Well, obviously, that is what happened because the only thing she took was the baby boy.

Kate Howard with "The Tennessean," what can you tell me about the circumstances?

KATE HOWARD, REPORTER, THE TENNESSEAN, COVERING STORY (via phone): Well, there`s not too much known about it at this time except for the fact that this woman, the mother, did not know the woman who came to her door that day. She said that she had never seen her before in her life.

And now of course police are looking into the possibility that she had, in fact, been followed, possibly by that woman earlier in the day although all they know is a car was following her. They don`t know who was driving.

GRACE: With me right now is Sharon Kimble. She is joining us there in front of the home where the stabbing and the kidnap of a four-day-old baby boy took place. She helped the mother after the stabbing.

Out to Sharon Kimble, joining us exclusively. Miss Kimble, thank you for being with us. Also with her, Eric Peterson, also a neighbor.

Miss Kimble, what happened when the mom -- when you first saw the mom following the stabbing?

SHARON KIMBLE, NEIGHBOR OF MARIA GURROLLA, HELPED GURROLLA AFTER SHE WAS STABBED: Well, when she came to my door, she said please help me. She said someone -- a woman has stabbed me and she has taken my baby, she`s going to kill my baby. So.

GRACE: Miss Kimble, when you first saw her, when you saw her, the mother, what did she look like?

KIMBLE: She was covered in blood. Blood was gushing out of the side of her neck. It was coming down her face. It was all down her body. It was just dripping everywhere.

GRACE: Miss Kimble, this is an important question. Did she have anything in the front yard like blue balloons or one of those stork posters or anything celebrating bringing the baby home?

KIMBLE: Yes. It was something there saying a baby born was born at a hospital to us. New arrival.

GRACE: To Eric Peterson, also joining us there in Nashville, Tennessee.

Everyone, a young mother answers the door, to whom she thinks is Immigration on a routine check. Instead she sees a woman who immediately, there at the front door, begins stabbing her repeatedly. Why? To steal her 4-day-old infant.

Eric Peterson is also joining us. Eric, what can you add?

PETERSON: Oh, I just heard a loud beating at the door continuously. I finally answered the door, and this lady was completely covered in blood. All over. Stuff was dripping all out of her hands. I thought it was a gag.

I asked her, what`s going on here? She said, "Please help me." And I saw the fear in her. And then I knew something was going down.

GRACE: What did she do? What, did she want to use your phone? What did she need?

PETERSON: No. She wanted -- she wanted to come in and shut that door and told me to go get her kids. Told me it was a white lady in the kitchen that was going to kill the newborn child. So I told her she couldn`t come in dripping blood like that.

I told her that hold on, let me go get somebody to take care of you. So I immediately went and got Miss Kimble from out back. And Miss Kimble started attending to her. Then I asked her if -- what type of weapon did the lady have?

It was obvious that she had been hit with a butcher knife, but I wanted to make sure. Once I found out what type of weapon she had, I immediately went around the house and got my dog, and we went down to the house.

GRACE: So Eric, Eric Peterson.

PETERSON: As we got down.

GRACE: Eric, hold on. Hold on. I know you`re outside and there`s traffic going by. Mr. Peterson, you actually went back to the house, and you thought the lady with the knife may still be in there?

PETERSON: Oh, yes, ma`am. I just knew she was in there. But when I got down there, it was a lady in a gray two-door Honda tried to run over me and the dog. I really didn`t pay that much attention to her. She was a white lady, brown hair in a ponytail, and she went on by real quick after she tried to hit me. After.

GRACE: Now wait a minute. You`re saying.

PETERSON: I can see.

GRACE: You`re saying it was a Honda and what color?

PETERSON: It was a gray Honda. Two-door. All grayish.

GRACE: OK. Dark.

PETERSON: Like it`s been sitting in the sun.

GRACE: Oh, so light gray?

PETERSON: Dark gray. Light gray.

GRACE: OK. Got it.

PETERSON: Like it`s been sitting in the sun for a real long time.

GRACE: To Clark Goldband, our producer on the story, the lookout on the car that I`ve got is a black four-door sedan. Sedan. It may look like a police car. But he`s telling me something completely different.

You are seeing video of the mother at the hospital begging for the return of her infant child just four days old.

Clark, what about the discrepancy? Peterson is telling me it`s a light gray Honda, two-door.

CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: And now, Nancy, to complicate things a little bit more, a press conference just wrapped up a few moments ago where law enforcement says they`re also searching for a Kia Spectra that was seen in the area in a Wal-Mart parking lot just hours before the attack on the mom.

They believe that person may be a witness. There has been some discrepancy on that vehicle that you had talked about. Law enforcement still trying to sort that out. But they believe it is that four-door black sedan that looks like a police vehicle.

GRACE: OK. Back to Eric Peterson. The lookout on the female that I`ve got is a white female, a white woman about 30 years old, 5`4", heavyset, blonde hair pulled back into a ponytail, black blouse, blue jeans.

Does that fit the description that you observed, Eric Peterson?

PETERSON: Come very close to. They caught me and my dog, and I seen a white woman. How old she were I could not tell you.

GRACE: OK.

PETERSON: But she wasn`t very old. I can say that.

GRACE: To Dr. Evelyn Minaya, an expert in her field, the condition of this four-day-old child -- when my twins were four days old, they were still in the ICU.

DR. EVELYN MINAYA, M.D., WOMEN`S HEALTH EXPERT: That`s right, Nancy. That`s right. You know what? The condition of this poor child is that obviously the child has to be taken care of. It can get dehydrated, as you already know, very fast. And you even pointed out even on Monday`s show that the baby needs to be always on his back.

Now he looks a little heavy. You know the baby looks like he`s about eight something, eight pounds, nine ounces, eight pounds, 10 ounces or so. So you know, he also needs to be fed more frequently. So that means every two hours. And it`s very important. Not only that. They`re more susceptible to infections. Everything.

GRACE: Got it.

MINAYA: You know?

GRACE: To Susan Moss, this is not the first time that a female has done violence to get a baby. Weigh in, Susan Moss.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Absolutely. Unfortunately, it is not uncommon. Mom was stabbed, the child was grabbed, and this perp needs to be nabbed. Luckily, law enforcement is taking this very, very seriously. And I don`t think anyone in this community is going to rest until the perps are brought to justice.

GRACE: Paul Batista, I guess your defense is going to be insanity?

PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "DEATH`S WITNESS": Well, we haven`t met her yet, Nancy. We have to figure out who she is and what she`s like.

GRACE: When did that ever stop you?

BATISTA: But it is a possible defense, Nancy. It depends on who the perpetrator is.

GRACE: All right. We`ll all be right back. We`re taking your calls live.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s vitally important that the community be on the lookout for an individual, for a woman who has a child inexplicably. A person who was not pregnant but all of a sudden is carrying around a child who meets this particular child`s description.

The abductor, once again, is described as a heavyset white woman, approximately 5`4" who had her blond hair in a ponytail on Tuesday afternoon. We`re also being told that she spoke some Spanish.

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GRACE: It`s not the first time a woman has committed violence, although it`s extremely rare for women to commit this type of violence, especially in order to steal a baby.

Lisa Montgomery killed Bobbie Jo Stinnett, cut the child out of her body. Peggy Jo Conner, clubbing pregnant neighbor to get the baby. Effie Goodson, Michelle Bica, Korna Elaine Roberts, Tiffany Hall, Andrea Demus, the list goes on and on and on. Violence inflicted by women to get babies.

And to you, Paul Batista. You`re saying you haven`t met her so you don`t know what the defense is going to be. It`s always insanity. Come on, tell the truth. Because, you know, there`s -- you`ve got Eric Peterson, the neighbor, she tries to run him down. He got a good look at her.

The victim lived. I`m sure she regrets that, the perpetrator regrets that. Everybody saw her. She has nowhere to go. So her defense cannot be not guilty unless it`s not guilty by reason of insanity.

BATISTA: Well, Nancy, obviously, any competent lawyer who finally meets this client is going to have to really explore that defense. And it may be the only defense.

GRACE: Put him back up on the screen.

BATISTA: But it depends on what she is really like.

GRACE: She is really like?

BATISTA: In terms of her mental capacity.

GRACE: A kidnapper and a would-be murderer. That`s what she`s really like. You know what?

BATISTA: The fact that it`s a heinous crime does not mean necessarily, Nancy, that she`s insane within the meaning of the law. It has to be evaluated.

GRACE: Yes. You know what? You know what? I know that. I`m worried that you don`t know that. But thank you for clearing that up, Paul Batista.

Caryn Stark, help me out. I need a shrink.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: OK, Nancy. You know, even though it`s unusual for women to be violent, not baby snatchers. They are desperate. These are people who really believe that this is their baby, and they`re going to kill in order to have their baby. They`ve convinced themselves that they`re determined, they`re allowed to have this baby.

GRACE: And they`re also convinced that they would make a better mother.

You know, after covering all of these stories, there was no way I was going to put a sign up, a balloon, nothing in the front yard when I brought the twins home. I brought them home with a blanket over their head.

I want to go back to Marc Klaas. What do we do to find the baby, Marc Klaas?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, first of all, you know, these kinds of crimes used to happen in hospitals until hospitals clamped down on security.

GRACE: Yes.

KLAAS: And now they`re happening in the community. What we have to do is stop advertising the fact that we have newborn babies in our homes because, as you said, these kinds of crimes are happening with increasing regularity and we`re covering one every couple of months.

And this just can`t be. These mothers deserve to be at home with their little children so that they can raise them in a loving -- and a nurturing environment.

GRACE: Marc Klaas, you are preaching to the choir. After reading this story, I guarantee you I`m going to be up pacing the house all night looking out the windows.

OK. Very quickly, I want to go to Sheryl McCollum. You`re the director of the Cold Case Squad. How would you go about finding this baby and solving this case?

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST, DIR. OF COLD CASE SQUAD AT PINE LAKE P.D.: You`re going to tell the public to pay attention. Any friend or family member that`s giving you some bogus story about why they suddenly have a baby, it`s bogus. Call the authorities.

GRACE: So now we`re relying on the public.

Everyone, the tip number, 615-862-8600. Mommy`s in the hospital covered with would-be fatal wounds. This four-day-old baby boy is with a psychotic would-be killer. 615-862-8600. Don`t be tricked by the fact the perpetrator is a woman.

We are switching gears here very quickly and taking your calls.

A famous Hollywood megastar collides with lady justice. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Fellow filmmakers are rallying behind Oscar winner Roman Polanski as his attorneys file a motion to have him released.

SAMANTHA GEIMER, ROMAN POLANSKI`S 13-YEAR-OLD VICTIM: He photographed me topless. He`d seen me topless. I just was thinking, well, this is very European, it must be all right.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: In all, 138 people including directors Woody Allen, Pedro Almodovar, and Martin Scorsese, among others in the film industry, signed a petition against his arrest.

GEIMER: I said no. I didn`t fight him off. I said like, no, no, I don`t want to go in there. No, I don`t want to do this. No. And then I didn`t know what else to do. We were alone.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Recently unsealed grand jury testimony included a 13-year-old victim`s story of being plied with champagne, part of a Quaalude, then being raped and sodomized by a 43-year-old man.

GEIMER: I need to go home, you know, because I`m not feeling well. And then that progressed to, you know, eventually why don`t you come in here and lay down? Into a very dark room. And that`s when I really realized, you know, what his intentions were.

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GRACE: Now, after 30 years, after Roman Polanski, the megastar Hollywood director, admits under oath he raped a 13-year-old girl, her sworn testimony is that he also anally raped her, he`s finally arrested after 30 years hiding out in his luxury chalet in Europe.

And Hollywood is shocked? They`re shocked he`s arrested? Why weren`t they shocked when he raped a 13-year-old girl he had high on champagne and Quaaludes? That`s my question tonight.

Tom O`Neil, senior editor "In Touch Weekly," hit me.

TOM O`NEIL, SENIOR EDITOR IN TOUCH WEEKLY, COVERING STORY: 138 filmmakers disagree with you, Nancy, and with me. They signed this petition that demands his immediate release because he was nabbed unfairly, they say. That he was en route to a film festival. And there`s something.

GRACE: What`s unfair about that?

O`NEIL: I know. They say that there`s something sacred about film festivals, that.

GRACE: OK. Let -- who is "they"? OK. Woody Allen, who was accused of taking photos of his minor adopted daughter.

O`NEIL: Mm-hmm.

GRACE: That`s an endorsement. Martin Scorsese, Penelope Cruz, Tilda Swinton, Michael Mann. Who else? Who am I missing?

O`NEIL: Inaritu, the director of "Babel."

GRACE: Guillermo del Toro, David Lynch. OK. So they are petitioning who? For his release?

O`NEIL: They`re petitioning the government of Switzerland to let him go because he was nabbed unfairly, they say, at an international cultural event, and those should be exempt from these kinds of police nabs.

And the parallel they`re making -- it`s interesting but it`s faulty. They`re claiming that while at film festivals like Cannes they let guerrilla filmmakers in from outlawed nations.

Yes, but when there are political differences, those are set aside for filmmakers to come into a country. Not when there are criminal charges like this.

GRACE: This director said under oath he raped a 13-year-old. It`s only because he absconded that this case is 30 years old.

Quick break. We`re taking your calls. Happy retirement to Georgia friend, Bo Ryles, retiring as director and state leader of the Georgia 4-H Foundation, one of the largest programs in the world. At 4-H for 43 years. Before moving on to a career as camp counselor, he was a 4-H `er.

A county agent, district coordinator and finally state 4-H leader. Under his leadership Georgia 4-H considered the best program in the country. His portrait on display at Rock Eagle 4-H auditorium. An avid runner. His favorite joy, sundown with 23-year-old son, Cole, time with mom Ethel, and sweetheart, wife of 25 years, Becky.

Congratulations, Bo Ryles.

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GRACE: Lady Justice finally catches up with a Hollywood superstar who 30 years ago pled guilty to raping a 13-year-old child. Now Hollywood`s whining he should be released.

We are taking your calls. Sheeba Illinois, hi, Sheeba.

SHEEBA, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, darling. This is disgusting.

GRACE: I agree.

SHEEBA: He raped her and then sodomized her. Her life is ruined up to this point. She has got to have all kinds of problems up to this point. He should be sent over here and have to do his sentence and I hope that the judge that sentenced him is still alive.

GRACE: Sheeba in Illinois, I agree with you and I can only hope that the judge is listening.

Ellie Jostad, what more can you tell me?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Well, Nancy, a lot of the support for Polanski is based on his documentary that came out last year. In that documentary, a prosecutor.

GRACE: What, all the support? You mean Woody Allen, the guy who married his underage daughter? OK.

JOSTAD: That`s the guy, yes.

GRACE: Go ahead.

JOSTAD: Yes. So in this documentary a prosecutor who`s now retired claims that he had a conversation with the judge on the case and they strategized about how they could go back on that plea deal, send Polanski back to jail.

Now he says, he tells Marcia Clark, the prosecutor in the O.J. case, she`s got an article about it in "The Daily Beast, she -- he tells her now, "I lied." All I did was show the judge a picture of Polanski celebrating at Octoberfest. The judge got mad and decided on his own to send him back to jail.

GRACE: And again, that`s plea was a negotiated plea for just a few days behind bars. If the judge had rejected that, Polanski would have had the right to go to trial.

Everybody, let`s stop this and remember, 20, Hondo, New Mexico, killed Iraq. Lost his Marine Lance Corporal Steven Chavez life just hours after talking to his dad and one week before he was set to come home. He wanted to enlist since sixth grade, always wearing camouflage.

Loved the outdoors, fishing with his father, camping, sports, playing guitar. Dreamed of starting a band. Follow Jim to Freedom. Leaves behind parents, Eddie and Novelda, sister Jacqui, brother James.

Steven Chavez, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you. And a special good night from Georgia friends of the show, Donna and Susan. Both dedicated mothers and both beautiful.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.

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