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NANCY GRACE

Family Mourns Caylee Anthony at Memorial Service

Aired February 10, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the desperate search for a beautiful 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminates when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthonys` confirmed to be Caylee, manner of death homicide, the little girl`s remains completely skeletonized. This after a utility meter reader stumbles on a garbage bag containing a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair. The killer duct tapes the child`s mouth, then finishes off by placing a child`s heart-shaped sticker over the duct tape, little Caylee`s tiny skeleton double-bagged like she`s trash.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, little Caylee`s public memorial, attendance nearly 2,000, with many who love Caylee traveling across the country to honor her. We learn tot mom behind bars not only chooses not to watch Caylee`s memorial, but instead, while Caylee`s being remembered, tot mom meets with her lawyer to plan her defense.

And was brother Lee sending tot mom Casey Anthony a secret coded message? Less than one mile away, tot mom in her private jail cell angry her family grieves in public, refusing to even ask to watch the memorial behind jailhouse walls. Hours before, tot mom complains she had no hand in planning the service, wanting a private service at a gravesite so she can visit. It`s all about her!

Tonight, the heartbreaking tribute to the little girl with the big brown eyes, a tribute without Mommy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news in the case of 2-year-old Florida toddler Caylee Anthony. Thousands of people have gathered at First Baptist Church of Orlando to remember little Caylee Marie Anthony, whose remains were found in December just yards from her own home.

LEE ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S UNCLE: Today is the day for this family to unite and display their solidarity and strength. I`ve got to tell you it is hard to stand up here and be the pillar of strength. This family is united. This family is incomplete. I`m incomplete.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lord, we pray for George and Cindy, for you know how they feel (ph). God, you`ve seen every tear that`s fallen and (INAUDIBLE) feel your presence stronger than they`ve ever (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Meanwhile, tot mom Casey Anthony remains behind bars, and according to the jail, has not requested to view the memorial for her daughter on television. While it is unknown if the tot mom is listening to the service on her radio, in a statement released yesterday, she spoke out against having a public memorial for Caylee.

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GRACE: Good evening, I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. The Anthony family and the country says good-bye to 2-year-old Florida girl Caylee. Who would have thought last July that we would be here tonight? But tot mom Casey Anthony, who refuses to turn on the TV behind bars to say good-bye, instead meeting with her own defense lawyers as thousands mourn an innocent 2-year-old girl.

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CINDY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S GRANDMOTHER: It breaks my heart today that Case`s not with us today to honor her child who she loved so very, very much. Casey, I hope you`re able to hear me today. I love you, and I wish I could comfort you right now. I wish I could take away all of your pain and wipe away your tears.

I want to thank you for giving me the greatest gift that I have ever received, and that is for Caylee Marie. Caylee was so much like you. She`s got your beauty and your compassion. She had your spirit. And she will always love you. She knows that she was loved by her family, and that`s all that`s important. Stay strong, my child. God will keep you safe. And Caylee is watching over all of us.

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GRACE: Straight out to our producer there standing by at the church, Natisha Lance. What happened?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, about 1,100 people showed up today to pay tribute to Caylee Marie Anthony. Now, this was the first time today in quite some time that we were able to hear from the members of the Anthony family, George Anthony giving some very endearing stories about Caylee Marie Anthony and his time with her. Also, Cindy Anthony also giving some very personal stories.

Lee Anthony became very emotional when he spoke, sending out a message to "CMA." Now, we know that Casey Anthony has those same initials, so people were questioning if he was talking directly to Casey Anthony or to Caylee Anthony or both of them. But today couldn`t have gone any better as far as the family were concerned. There were no protesters out here today, and everyone was very happy.

GRACE: To Jessica D`Onofrio from WKMG, also there outside the church. Jessica, is it true that there were an estimated 150 threats?

JESSICA D`ONOFRIO, WKMG: That`s what I`m hearing, Nancy, 150 life threats against the Anthony family. And I can tell you that when I went to the church today to go into the service, I was stopped before I even went through the metal detector. A security guard pulled me aside. He had a list, a three-page list of people and their pictures, a "Do not admit" list. And he was trying to make sure that I wasn`t on there. He had members of the media -- at least five members of the media were on that list, and other people. It was a total of 16 people on the list.

He saw I wasn`t on that list. He saw I had a media credential, and he said, you know, Do you have any camera equipment, anything to record this? I said no, and then he admitted me. So security was very, very tight here today. They didn`t want any disruptions, Nancy.

GRACE: So Jessica, my original question -- 150 threats. Were they threats on the Anthonys themselves?

D`ONOFRIO: Yes, they were, life threats.

GRACE: Oh, good Lord! At a time like this, what nutjob would be making a threat on a grieving family? This while we learn that tot mom chose not to even ask to watch the memorial behind bars, the jail informing us they would have allowed her to watch if she had chosen to. Instead, she takes a meeting with her defense attorney as her parents and brother grieve her little girl who was murdered, nearly 2,000 people mourning little Caylee today.

What can you tell me about the jail`s policy to allow her to watch the memorial? Out to Natisha. What can you tell me?

LANCE: I`m sorry, Nancy. Could you repeat that?

GRACE: Yes. What was the jail`s policy regarding allowing her to watch the memorial?

LANCE: Well, the policy, Nancy, was that she would have to make a personal request to watch the memorial. She would have do it during her hour of free time. She wouldn`t be able do it with any other inmates around due to her status. But no request was made by Casey Anthony today to watch the memorial from the jail.

GRACE: Joining us right now, a special guest who took part in the memorial today, Mr. Kyle Thomas. He`s sang, "No More Night" and "Homesick." Mr. Thomas, thank you for being with us. That was actually very brave of you in light of the fact that there were at least 150 threats against the Anthonys. Anyone who sang or was heard today at the memorial I`m sure was aware of the explosive situation. Explain to me the message of your song.

KYLE THOMAS, SINGER AT CAYLEE ANTHONY MEMORIAL: You know, Nancy, the message of the song is a message of hope. You know, we all have hurts. We all have pains in our life. And today there was a family there, the Anthonys, who I can`t imagine what kind of pain they`re going through. And to be a part of a service and be able to sing and minister to these people is just a great honor. You know, walking in there -- and I have two girls of my own, and you know, walking in there and seeing what they`re going through and hearing their testimony up there of little Caylee, I -- it just broke my heart. And to just to see what God did today, you know, is amazing. It wasn`t a funeral, it was a celebration about a girl`s life.

GRACE: Kyle, how did you become involved in the life of the Anthony family?

THOMAS: You know, it`s strange. And I work here at First Baptist Church of Orlando. I actually head up a recovery group here.

GRACE: Right.

THOMAS: And you know, of course, I do singing. And I`ve been singing at this church for, you know, nearly 10 years. And...

GRACE: Ah. So through the church.

THOMAS: ... I`ve been a member here for a while. Yes. So, you know, as far as an employee, I`m new. But they`ve known that I`ve sang and, you know, Pastor...

GRACE: Well, it was absolutely beautiful, Kyle Thomas singing "No More Night" in "Homesick" in honor of little Caylee.

Everyone, we`ll be right back in just 30 seconds.

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GRACE: Just hours ago, the memorial for little Caylee occurring at First Baptist Church Orlando. Was brother Lee sending a message to the tot mom behind bars? Take a listen.

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LEE ANTHONY: This family is united, but this family is incomplete. I am incomplete. I`m broken. CMA -- CMA, each day, you continue to teach me about life and about the way it should be lived. Each day, you give me the ability to be strong or to be weak. It`s been so long since I`ve been able to see you or to hug you or to tell you how much you mean to me. CMA, I miss you! I love you. CMA, I am so proud of you! I hope you`re proud of me, too. I need you to know that I will never forget the promise I made to you. I will never forget.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (SINGING): Like a comet blazing across the evening sky, gone too soon, like a rainbow fading in the twinkling of an eye, gone too soon, shiny and sparkly and splendidly bright, here one day...

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LEE ANTHONY: For those of us that will never be the same again, I ask that you feel -- fill your heart with hope and forgiveness and you allow yourself to cope and feel. Finally, for those of us that have the knowledge and the means to facilitate the answers that my family deserves, I ask that you fill your heart with compassion and truths. And I ask that you allow your conscience to speak for you when your mind cannot comprehend the right words to say.

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GRACE: Just hours ago, the memorial for little Caylee took place at the First Baptist Church there in Orlando. The place was packed with those who love little Caylee, who have grown to love her ever since she was reported missing way back in July.

We are taking your calls. Out to Karen in Washington. Hi, Karen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, since she didn`t ask to go see the memorial on TV, do you think that meeting with her lawyer, she could be watching it on his computer or on his telephone, on HLN.com right now?

GRACE: You know, that`s an interesting question. To Jessica D`Onofrio with WKMG. What about it? Do you believe that the attorney allowed her to watch it on his computer? Is the computer allowed in? Is there Internet access behind bars?

D`ONOFRIO: Well, we know from a while back the jail now allows him to bring his computer in to visit with her for business purposes. So it`s a good question. Was she...

GRACE: Do they have Internet access? Do they have wireless behind bars?

D`ONOFRIO: I would assume that the jail can pick up some wifi in the area. So it wouldn`t be out of the question that he might be able to pick it up on his computer, Nancy.

GRACE: That`s an interesting question. But what we do know -- to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter who helped look looked exhaustively for little Caylee. What we do know is that she made no request whatsoever from the jail to watch the memorial. Why?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: She`s not going to come into our universe on this thing. She`s over there in her world, and she`s not going to be bothered by it. She was getting her messages down the road from -- CMA is the initials that Lee referred to when we first came to get her out of jail. And one day, I asked, I said, CMA? What`s going on here? He says, Oh, that`s Casey. So he was talking to her. He wasn`t talking to Caylee during the service.

GRACE: Leonard, are you sure?

PADILLA: Absolutely, positively.

GRACE: OK, wait. Wa-wait, wa-wait. Back it up. Rewind. What were the conditions under which you learned "CMA" stands for Casey Marie Anthony, not Caylee?

PADILLA: We were sitting in the RV, and he had a binder. And we were talking about different things. And he said "CMA" a couple times. And I said, Well, OK, that`s initials, but they both got the same initials. He says, No, that`s Casey. That`s not Caylee. Absolutely.

GRACE: Out to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation, Marc not only the president of Klaas Kids but a crime victim himself. His daughter, Polly, was kidnapped and murdered many years ago, and he has been on a crusade ever since. What do you make of it, Marc?

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, I think it`s wonderful that they were able to do a lovely memorial for the little girl because so many people had invested themselves in here over the course of the last several months. And I think that people -- you know, once they emotionally invest themselves into a situation like this, they deserve -- they deserve their catharsis, as well.

The thing that just continually blows my mind is the amount of drama that this family is able to manufacture even around a situation like this. I just -- I -- it`s kind of mind-boggling. But you know, given the fact that they did have a lovely service, I`m glad that people participated and I hope that they get some sense of closure out of it. I`m talking about people, not the family, obviously. That`s a different issue.

GRACE: Yes. You know, Marc, you and I both know, as crime victims, there`s no such thing as closure. You learn to go on, but there`s no closure to a life-altering event such as the loss, the violent loss of a loved one.

Everyone, we are taking your calls. But I want to go back to what was just mentioned, a coded message from Lee Anthony to his sister behind bars? Take a listen.

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LEE ANTHONY: This family is united, but this family is incomplete. I am incomplete. I`m broken. CMA...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (SINGING): Like a comet blazing across the evening sky, gone too soon, like a rainbow fading in the twinkling of an eye, gone too soon...

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GEORGE ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S GRANDFATHER: To hear her call me Jo-Jo -- sure, I was grandpa, but I was Jo-Jo to her. Some days, when I wouldn`t maybe just pay attention to her for just a second, she would get right in my face and -- Jo-Jo, Grandpa, Grandpa Jo-Jo, George. She knew me. She knew how to push me to smile at her and hug her.

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GRACE: Just hours ago, the memorial for little Caylee occurring at First Baptist Church there in Orlando, nearly 2,000 people in attendance, coming from across the country to grieve a little girl that many of us have come to love -- beautiful songs, eulogies, a heartbreaking eulogy by Cindy Anthony, especially by George Anthony, and apparently, a coded message from Lee Anthony to his sister behind bars, who chose not watch the memorial on the jailhouse television, but to meet with her lawyer instead.

Out to Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. You know, Mike, you and I well know from many, many homicide cases we have handled, even the detectives and investigators get attached to the victims. But I doubt they were in value (ph) today.

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: You know, I tell you what, Nancy. I guarantee you that those detectives, Sergeant Allen, who`s running this case, and the others were watching this. And I can tell you, like it did me, it tore my heart out, but I`m glad see that it was a dignified service, not a circus atmosphere like we -- like we thought it might be. It was a dignified celebration of a young life cut short.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Gloria Allred, Raymond Giudice, Anne Bremner. Gloria Allred, weigh in.

GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Yes, it was a dignified service. But how strange, Nancy, for the brother, Lee, to use that CMA, those initials not once but over and over again. If it`s true, in fact, he was trying to send a coded message to Casey, how much sense does that make if she said she`s not watching it?

GRACE: Raymond Giudice?

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The inconsistency in last night`s statement by Mr. Baez and Casey`s actions or inactions today showed me a prominent member of the Florida criminal defense bar needs to step forward now and take the reins of this case over. Everybody deserves a fair trial.

GRACE: Seattle lawyer Anne Bremner.

ANNE BREMNER, TRIAL ATTORNEY: Well, and the message wasn`t received by her. And what were they doing with the defense right now, Totmom.com, selling pictures? What are the experts doing? What is going on with this defense?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (SINGING): Like a comet blazing across the evening sky, gone too soon, like a rainbow fading in the twinkling of an eye, gone too soon...

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CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: It breaks my heart today that Casey`s not with us today to honor her child who she loves so very, very much.

Casey, I hope you`re able to hear me today. I love you and I wish I could comfort you right now. I wish I could take away all of your pain and wipe away your tears. I want to thank you for giving me the greatest gift that I have ever received and that was Caylee Marie.

Caylee was so much like you. She`s got your beauty and your compassion. She had your spirit and she will always love you. She knows that she was loved by her family and that`s all that`s important.

Stay strong, my child. God will keep you safe. And Caylee is watching over all of us.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Cindy`s heartbreaking eulogy to little Caylee peppered with words to her daughter behind bars. Words that prove a mother`s love knows no bounds. Wishing that she could take the pain away from tot mom Casey Anthony. This, while Casey Anthony refuses to use the jailhouse television and watch the ceremony. Instead meeting with her defense attorney while thousands grieve little Caylee.

To Dr. Leslie Austin, psychotherapist, why would she refuse to watch the memorial?

DR. LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, she said she wanted a private memorial and no cameras and she`s always been willful. Her parents didn`t follow her wishes. She may be angry. Families squabble at memorials all of the time, and it`s tragic that they do. She may just be angry and it`s very sad that she`s not honoring her daughter.

GRACE: To Rory O`Neill with Westwood One, standing by there at church. Rory, still the question from before and the statement that tot mom gave yesterday. She stated little Caylee has already been cremated. What did we learn today?

RORY O`NEILL, REPORTER, WESTWOOD ONE RADIO, ON LOCATION AT CAYLEE ANTHONY MEMORIAL SERVICE: Not too much more than that. There have been the conflicting stories, what Jose Baez read in his statement yesterday and what Brad Conway said about the situation last night. So the exact status, the remains, is still in a bit of limbo at this point.

GRACE: And Natisha Lance, standing by with Rory and Jessica D`Onofrio. Natisha, about 150 threats against the Anthony family, I hope that those who threatened the family will be prosecuted. That`s called a terroristic threat under the law. It will not be tolerated.

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. That is one of the reasons why they wanted to take such serious precautions with the security out here today because of those threats that the family has received and there was no -- nothing that went untouched in terms of security today. There was security.

We have the metal detectors. We had lots of security people there. The men in black who had on sunglasses. They even had earpieces in. So there was very serious security out here today and thankfully there were no threat and no protesters out at the church.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Becky in Indiana. Hi, Becky.

BECKY, FROM INDIANA: Hi.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

BECKY: I just wanted to know if authorities could say to Casey. Tell us the truth or you will definitely get the death penalty. And maybe she will tell the truth to save her own life.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Gloria Allred out of L.A., Raymond Giudice, Atlanta, Anne Bremner, high-profile lawyer out of Seattle.

Ray Giudice, I`m sure they`ve already told her which is allowed during police questioning. You know this could be a death penalty case, but if you cooperated, maybe the state would keep the death penalty off the table.

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The crazy ideology is critical. If it`s made, if you don`t testify or cooperate you`re getting the death penalty, that statement`s coming out. If it`s phrased subtly, as a good prosecutor like yourself just did, the statement may come in.

GRACE: What about it, Gloria Allred?

GLORIA ALLRED, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY, VICTIM`S RIGHTS ADVOCATE: Well, the question is, can they believe anything that she tells them? That`s the hard part. Does she even know what the truth is anymore? She`s told so many lies. Yes, I just wonder when value there would be, but perhaps a deal can be made to save her life and maybe that`s the price she`ll have to pay for it.

GRACE: Anne Bremner?

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The only thing to believe that she`s lying, as Gloria said. But the fact also is, as we know, they don`t have to be unanimous with the death theory in Florida. And that`s a big problem. But it`s just Lunsford case. This is a very, very real issue for her. And she got to pay attention.

GRACE: Well a problem to you, maybe. Not a problem to me. Back out.

BREMNER: No, for her, absolutely.

GRACE: Yes.

BREMNER: Absolutely.

GRACE: Back out to the lines, Pat in Texas. Hi, Pat.

PAT, FROM TEXAS: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your questioning?

PAT: OK, during the eulogy that the Anthony family was giving for baby Caylee, they were wearing three buttons. One was a ribbon for the lost children, a button for Casey, and a button for Caylee. Now I noticed that Lee was only wearing the green button for Casey. Did anyone else notice that?

GRACE: What about it, Jessica D`Onofrio?

JESSICA D`ONOFRIO, REPORTER, WKMG, ATTENDED CAYLEE ANTHONY MEMORIAL SERVICE: You know I was sitting in the audience there and I didn`t notice that detail. Very perceptive there. But one thing that they did wear clothing to symbolize one thing or another there today.

You heard George Anthony say he didn`t wear a white shirt today. He wore lavender instead, so did Brad Conway, because that was Caylee`s favorite color. But it`s a good question.

GRACE: You know we learned a lot from George Anthony about little Caylee today. We learned her favorite food was green beans, surprisingly, for a child that age, that she would clean off a whole plate, and he would wonder, where did they go? That they would eat popcorn together at night from her favorite bowl, Spongebob Squarepants.

Take a listen to what grandfather George Anthony had to say.

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GEORGE ANTHONY, GRANDFATHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: She would want us all to take today as a day to not only remember her, pray for us, keep our family together, but also to pray for her mom.

I miss my daughter Casey. Do not form any judgments because I`ll tell you, you don`t want to be in any of our family shoes no matter what it is. Casey deserves prayer. She deserves understanding. She deserves love.

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GRACE: Clearly, the family sending a message of support. They also repeatedly refer to compassion and forgiveness. Is this about the tot mom?

To Dr. Marty Makary, physician and professor of public health at Johns Hopkins. Dr. Makary, especially as it relate to George Anthony, can overwhelming grief actually affect your health?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Absolutely. And we know that he was in a situation so bad that he had to be protected from hurting himself by being hospitalized for suicide precautions. Severe grieving can cause somebody to go from mild depression into severe debilitating depression, and it can cause heart problems. So absolutely, yes, Nancy.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, how do we know for sure the tot mom did not request to watch the memorial in jail?

LANCE: Well, we received updates all day from the jail. And they were giving us updates, saying that no request has still been made. No request has still been made from Casey Anthony to watch the memorial on TV.

GRACE: And also the pastor that spoke today was also the pastor that visited the tot mom behind bars?

LANCE: That`s correct. He`s also the pastor who was in charge of the vigils for Casey Anthony once they moved to that church, East Side Baptist, not too far away from the Anthonys` home. But he did visit Casey Anthony behind bars. He has since moved out of Orlando area and he did give some prayers and messages today.

GRACE: We also learned today that little Caylee`s name for her grandparents, Jo-Jo, for grandfather George. And C-C for grandmother Cindy. Heartbreaking details like that are just the kind of details that prosecutors would bring on in the death penalty phase if this case goes that route.

Unleash the lawyers, Gloria Allred, Raymond Giudice, Anne Bremner. Weigh in, Ray.

GIUDICE: Well, let me also say that in a death penalty stages, the mitigation after a conviction, and I`ll tell you George Anthony could hit the ball out of the ballpark and maybe save his daughter`s life. He did tremendously today.

GRACE: You know you`re right. There`s something about George Anthony.

GIUDICE: He`s believable.

GRACE: That just touches the hearts of everyone and not saying that Lee and Cindy don`t also but there`s something about George Anthony. What about it, Anne Bremner?

BREMNER: Absolutely. He loves his little girl and he loved his granddaughter, too. But it`s -- you know you hate the sin but you love the sinner, and he -- today what he said, like Ray said, will be so powerful if it comes to a penalty phase.

GRACE: We`ll be back with Gloria Allred. But as we go to break, our thoughts and prayers today also go out to Ruth Brown. Please stay strong and get well soon. A special hello from New York friend of the show, Joanne and Carol. Here to watch the Caylee memorial coverage with us. Aren`t they beautiful?

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G. ANTHONY: She would want us all to take today as a day to not only remember her, pray for us, keep our family together, but also to pray for her mom. I miss my daughter Casey. Do not form any judgments because I tell you, you don`t want to be in any of our family`s shoes no matter what it is. Casey deserves prayer. She deserves understanding. She deserves love.

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GRACE: George Anthony along with the rest of his family supporting tot mom Casey Anthony behind bars even at the memorial for little Caylee, the child she`s accused of murdering.

I want to go back to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, who helped look for little Caylee exhaustively.

Leonard Padilla, were you surprised she did not want to watch the memorial from behind bars? And what became of your memorial that you plan to stage at the same time as theirs?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPED LOOK FOR CAYLEE & SPENT TIME WITH CASEY ANTHONY: Let me, let me clarify something I said last night about the cremation. When Sarah told me that she`d been told by a very good source out of the Anthony family that the body had been cremated two weeks ago, she clarified it this morning, says, no, what I told you was that the body was being cremated but not that it had been cremated.

And I said, well, Sarah, next time clarify that because I went out there and hung my face out. But anyhow.

GRACE: Well, you know, Leonard, according to what the tot mom said herself, she says, supporting what you just said.

PADILLA: Yes.

GRACE: . that little Caylee has been, she says, I know they cremated Caylee. So I don`t know how off of the mark you were.

PADILLA: Right.

GRACE: Still, the Anthony family saying that`s not correct. Back to the questions.

PADILLA: OK, well, so far as her watching it, no. I didn`t think that was going to take place. I do know that down the road, she`ll watch it on a laptop. There`s no problem with that.

GRACE: But why do you say of that? Because of your observing her.

PADILLA: Because she.

GRACE: . her while you`re in the home?

PADILLA: Absolutely. Absolutely. She`s hardheaded. She will make up her mind to something. You`re not going to beat it out of her. She`s not going to change her mind. You`re not going to coerce it out of her.

GRACE: When you were with her for those many days did she show such emotion regarding Caylee?

PADILLA: Never once. Not one time. Not in 10 days did she ever show emotion showing Caylee. Very seldom mentioned the name. I don`t remember her mentioning it to me and I`ve asked Tracy a dozen times, did she ever mention the name? And the only time that she says she remembers something was one day when they were looking at an album and somebody said something about -- either Cindy or Tracy -- about, oh, she looks so cute. And she says, well, what about me, look at me, I look cute, too.

Other than that I can`t remember that Tracy ever mentioned to me that she mentioned Caylee. Now as far as the situation, it wasn`t our memorial, Nancy. It was a situation where I was going to go out there. Richard Grund called me, says, what are you doing? He says, I`ll join you. And then some of the other folks that basically had been blacklisted said, we`re going to go out there with you and so they showed up today and Richard Grund said some prayers.

Some people spoke about Caylee and it was all about Caylee. Nothing else. And it broke up after half an hour and some of the people stayed on and paid their personal respects but other than that, that`s all was.

GRACE: To Marc Klaas, founder of KlaasKids Foundation, what do you make of brother Lee sending a coded message to his sister behind bars at the memorial?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT, FOUNDER OF THE KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, these people are unbelievably dramatic. And they seem to be able to manufacture drama where none should otherwise exist.

I think it`s great that the family is reaching out to this girl. But the reality is that none of this would have occurred had Casey not murdered her daughter. And I think my observation is that her narcissism is at such a level that she`s really nothing more than a poorly trained psychopath who doesn`t understand that she should mimic back the kinds of emotions that she thinks people would want to hear.

So in other words, she just allows herself and her lawyers allow her to just basically dismiss the rest of the world, center the universe around her, which creates just an abhorrent portrait of what this woman is, and unfortunately what she was capable of doing.

GRACE: You know today, Marc, and I think you may understand more than anyone, the suffering that this family has gone through.

KLAAS: Mm-hmm. Yes, there`s.

GRACE: What do you make of so much focus being on the tot mom?

KLAAS: Well, listen they -- this family has gone through something over the last eight months that no family should go through.

GRACE: You`re right.

KLAAS: They`ve lost their grandmother to murder. They`re losing their daughter, they`re losing their daughter as a murderer. George attempted to commit suicide, or nearly attempted to commit suicide, and they`re reaching out, I think, in every way that they possibly can.

And my message to them is that ultimately, over time, for them things should get better as they`re able to distance themselves from the event itself and start to put their lives back together. And I would suggest the best way to do that is to continue to work to ensure that what happened to their child doesn`t happen to other children.

That is their best path to healing.

GRACE: To Dr. Leslie Austin, psychotherapist, they`re in such a state of denial about the evidence, about what police have shared with them. This, as Marc Klaas pointed out, the whole reason that everyone was in that church today, according to prosecutors anyway, is because the tot mom murdered little Caylee.

AUSTIN: Well, Nancy, this family is in a unique position. It`s not for us to say whether they should or shouldn`t be denial. They`re losing their daughter.

GRACE: Nobody is saying that, Leslie.

AUSTIN: But they`re losing.

GRACE: No one is saying.

AUSTIN: Nancy.

GRACE: . they should or shouldn`t do anything. I`m asking you about the state of denial that they are in.

AUSTIN: I can`t say they are in grief. They haven`t gotten to whether they`re in denial or not. They`re losing their daughter under horrible circumstances. What an awful thing to think your daughter murdered your granddaughter.

GRACE: But they don`t think that.

AUSTIN: I think they do, otherwise they wouldn`t be in conflict but they`re trying desperately to hold their family together even a little bit. It`s terrible to lose your daughter thinking she`s done such an awful crime.

This family is in such pain. They don`t know what they think. My heart goes out to them.

GRACE: To Rory O`Neill with Westwood One, I noticed that grandmother Cindy Anthony referred to my three children.

O`NEILL: That was a startling comment to me when I was listening to it. I actually had to nudge a couple of other reporters next to me and say there aren`t just the two kids, right? So it took a minute to figure out that she was actually referring to Caylee, which, as she has said back on your show months ago, Cindy Anthony had said months ago, that she was in the delivery room when Caylee was born, that she was the first one to hold her in her arms before Casey did.

So there is a unique relationship going on in that household between Cindy Anthony and the way she runs things and the relationship she has with her kids.

GRACE: Evidenced today by the memorial being totally planned by grandmother Cindy and it was a beautiful memorial.

To Raymond Giudice, veteran trial lawyer out of Atlanta. Ray, you mentioned that you believe someone else should take over the case.

GIUDICE: I did.

GRACE: Already a pro, Linda Kenney Baden is on the case.

GIUDICE: Yes.

GRACE: But do you say this because of that statement that Baez allowed to be read from the tot mom yesterday?

GIUDICE: Nancy, I`ve been critical of many missteps by Mr. Baez over the last several months. And I think bringing Miss Baden on is a good step. But you need someone overseeing a big case and I don`t think Mr. Baez is competent to do that at this point in time.

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G. ANTHONY: I`m sure Caylee might be in God`s heaven right now, but her presence is still at home with me every day. I can close my eyes and I can see her coming from her bedroom with her silly little glasses on, her beads, whatever it might be to make me laugh.

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GRACE: Along with thousands who traveled to Orlando`s First Baptist Church today, we say good-bye to 2-year-old Caylee.

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