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NANCY GRACE

Investigators Search Missing Toddler`s Home for Third Time

Aired August 6, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Police desperately searching for a beautiful little 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee, after her grandparents report her missing, little Caylee now not seen for six long weeks, last seen with her mother. So why didn`t Mommy call police?
Headlines tonight. In the last hours, real-life "CSI." Florida crime scene investigators with a search warrant go back to the Anthony home, leaving with bags of evidence. In a new twist, dive teams now join the search for little Caylee.

And a bizarre scenario now emerges. Did mom, Casey, actually pose as the mystery baby-sitter who kidnapped little Caylee? Anthony facing hard jail time after the state hands down felony charges on child neglect and lying to investigators.

The grandparents now admit it was mom, Casey, who broke into the family toolshed, stealing gas cans, those cans now taken as evidence. All the while, the clock ticking on DNA testing on hair and fluid found in mom, Casey`s trunk. And a disturbing development. Mom, Casey, now breaks her silence, announcing from the jail little Caylee`s life is in danger.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news in the case of missing 2-year-old Florida toddler, Caylee Anthony. Crime scene technicians and local investigators have just finished executing a search warrant on the Anthony home today. Reports say authorities entered the home with a toolbox and latex gloves and left with four to six bags of evidence. This is the third time authorities came to the house, last time seizing gas cans that George Anthony now admits were stolen by his daughter, Casey Anthony, back in late June.

Cindy Anthony also has told local media that Casey Anthony says Caylee`s life is in danger and the grandmother is worried about the whereabouts of little Caylee. All this while just a few days ago, George Anthony said daughter Casey Anthony assured him that Caylee was safe.

GEORGE ANTHONY, GRANDFATHER OF MISSING TODDLER: She knows who has her daughter. She knows her daughter`s safe.

CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: She`s coming home. She might come home this afternoon. She may come home tomorrow. I hope she`s home by Saturday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: WKMG is also reporting that police haven`t ruled out that Anthony actually posed as the baby-sitter, visiting the apartment complex, claiming to be Zenaida Gonzalez.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us tonight. Police desperately searching for a beautiful 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee, now not seen for six long weeks. In the last hours, real-life "CSI" back to the Anthony home, leaving with bags of evidence as a bizarre scenario now emerges. Did mom, Casey, actually pose as the mystery baby-sitter who kidnapped little Caylee? And in a disturbing development, mom, Casey, now breaks her silence, announcing from the jail little Caylee`s life is in danger.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is Caylee Anthony? Is the 2-year-old Florida girl alive or dead? And is her mother hiding anything about her disappearance? This is what Casey says happened. On June 9, she dropped Caylee off at a baby-sitter. When she returned, Casey (SIC) and the sitter were gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When was the last time you saw Caylee?

CINDY ANTHONY: I know for a fact it`s June 15 because the little video clips that were shot, that`s playing over and over again, I shot that when she was visiting my father.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Authorities say the apartment where she claimed the sitter lived had been vacant for months.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking today is a report from WKMG that police are not ruling out that Casey Anthony may have posed as the alleged baby- sitter, Zenaida Gonzalez. Police have said all along there is no evidence Zenaida Gonzalez exists. They describe Casey`s claims as a web of deceit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has the right to not talk about it. But certainly, as a mother, I would hope that she would be willing to give us whatever information, you know, that she had to help us find her child.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: CSI technicians and Orange County sheriff`s investigators were at the Anthony home today, executing a search warrant. Police entered the home reportedly wearing latex gloves, and after two-and- a-half hours left with four to six bags of evidence from the Anthonys` residence, this all happening while Cindy Anthony just revealed that her daughter, Casey Anthony, had said that Caylee`s life is in danger.

CINDY ANTHONY: Casey`s telling us that Caylee`s life is in danger. If we go in there someone thinks that she`s going to tell me something more, then her life`s in danger. And I believe that.

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GRACE: Straight out to Mark Williams with WNDB Newstalk. Mark, what`s the latest?

MARK WILLIAMS, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: Well, I think you hit it on the head right off the back. Crime scene techs were in east Orange County this afternoon, from the Orange County sheriff`s office, armed with a search warrant. They got there around 2:00 o`clock -- 2:30 this afternoon at the Anthony household. They let the crime scene techs in. They had latex gloves. They also had what appeared to be a tackle box. But right now, the only thing that they were fishing for was any evidence they could find inside the house.

Nancy, they left at 5:30 this afternoon, headed back to the SO carrying four to six bags. Nobody knows what`s inside those bags as of yet.

The other breaking news is Channel 6 here in town, WKMG, the CBS affiliate, says that Casey may be the mystery baby-sitter. Today they were out at the Sawgrass apartment complex, where they took a look at a guest card that whoever -- whether it was Casey or Casey posing as Zenaida Gonzalez, filled out this guest card, looking for an apartment. That happened just a couple of days -- two days after little Caylee went missing.

GRACE: Uh! Uh! Uh! Uh! Uh! Uh! Wait. Wait. Wait. You said two days. Now, remember, the video we were just showing in our show open was the 15th, Father`s Day. And remember, the Anthonys saw her the morning of the 16th.

WILLIAMS: OK. Well, she was there the 17th, at the apartment complex, from what we understand, what Channel 6 is reporting. Initially, they thought it was April, but now it was June 17. And whoever was there, whether it be Casey or Zenaida Gonzalez or whoever, had very poor penmanship. So that was a thing. So the officers were out there today. They took a look at, apparently, the guest card. They did not take anything. Spent two hours today at the apartment complex. Also...

GRACE: Oh, wait, wa-wa-wa-wait!

WILLIAMS: OK.

GRACE: You said that the investigators at the apartment complex -- and everybody, we`re talking about a new and bizarre scenario that has emerged, where cops are investigating the theory that Casey Anthony, mom, Casey, actually posed -- now, this would be one day after Casey is last seen alive by anybody that knows her. One day later, did Mom, Casey, show up at this apartment complex, posing as the baby-sitter, Zenaida Gonzalez, fill out a guest card like she`s looking at an apartment, put Zenaida Gonzalez`s name on there, go see the apartment, and then, Mark Williams, take police later to that apartment and say, That`s where I left the baby? Is that what I`m gathering?

WILLIAMS: That`s what we`re gathering, as well. However, that apartment since that time has -- nobody ever took occupancy of that apartment, and it had been vacant for six months. So that`s the latest on that. Apparently, investigators, of course, comparing the penmanship...

GRACE: This is apartment -- sorry, Mark.

WILLIAMS: Yes.

GRACE: We`re showing -- we were showing you just then the apartment we`re talking about, there at Sawgrass apartments. And you said police didn`t take anything with them when they left. What I`d like to know is, did they take anything with them when they went? In other words, a photo lineup. Certainly, whoever took the baby-sitter to the vacant apartment for the potential resident to look at it would be able to identify whether it was Casey.

WILLIAMS: Yes. So true. We have no information if they took any sort of a photo lineup to the management of the apartment complex or not. They`re still kind of remaining tight-lipped on this entire deal since it`s basically freshly breaking from midafternoon today.

GRACE: Everybody, we are taking your calls live. CSI crime scene investigators from Florida -- you`re seeing the footage right there -- just leaving the Anthony home. They went in with their tackle box, which is basically all their equipment that they need to get forensic evidence, such as fingerprints, hair, fiber, you name it, and a lot of other tools of the trade. They went pursuant to a search warrant.

Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, veteran trial lawyer and author Mickey Sherman, author of "How Can You Defend Those People?" Excellent question. And Paul Batista, also a veteran trial lawyer, author of "Death`s Witness."

To both of you gentlemen, welcome. Mickey Sherman, bottom line, they went with a search warrant, and what that means is they have to outline to a judge what it is specifically they`re looking for, so they`ve got a case theory.

MICKEY SHERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, but don`t you think the threshold to get a search warrant is pretty low here? You`ve got a missing child. You`ve got a woman who`s made some inaccurate or perhaps lying statements. I mean, they don`t need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. They don`t even really need a heck of a lot of probable cause. I think any judge is going to sign a warrant if there`s the remotest possibility that they may find some evidence. So I don`t read that much into it.

GRACE: I don`t have a problem with that, Mickey. That`s not my point. I don`t have a problem with that. You`re right, the threshold for a search warrant is fairly low.

Paul Batista, I`m going to have you have a swing at this one. What I`m saying is this tells me police are not viewing this as a kidnap, as a missing person case.

PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, they`re obviously (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: They`re viewing this as a homicide case, and they have a specific theory of the case because they can name in a search warrant the specific items they`re looking for.

BATISTA: They can, and they can go in there and search for it, and they have some reason to believe that what they`re looking for is there. And sure, we`ve always known that this is, at its heart, a murder investigation, and that is precisely what they`re pursuing all these six or seven hours they`ve spent at the Anthony home in Florida.

GRACE: Let`s go straight out to the scene. Joining us, Natisha Lance, one of our show producers. She is standing outside the Anthony home. Natisha, welcome. What can you tell us about CSI at the Anthony home today?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, just a few hours ago, Nancy, CSI, investigators, as well as CSI technicians were at the Anthony home right behind me here. They were here for about two-and-a-half hours, left the scene with five to six bags of evidence.

And if you recall also, CSI investigators were at the home last week getting those gas cans from the shed that you talked about earlier. When the investigators came out of the home, they were very tight-lipped, didn`t want to give any information, just reiterated over again that they are searching for Caylee, doing everything that they can to find Caylee and bring her home.

GRACE: Natisha, I know you`re saying they came out with five to six bags of evidence. What did they take in, a tackle box and what else?

LANCE: Well, they were armed with a tackle box. They had their latex gloves. They came in with a black sheet of fiber. We`re not sure exactly what it was. But they came in with all of their investigative tools.

GRACE: OK. Let`s talk about the black sheet. I want to go out to Vince Miller joining us from Phoenix, Arizona. He`s the vice president and chief technical officer at Chromosomal Labs. Vince, thank you for being with us. With the sheet, do you believe that would be used to pick up fibers?

VINCE MILLER, CHROMOSOMAL LABS: Definitely could be. Depends on what they`re actually using it for, but yes, it could be.

GRACE: What else could it be used for?

MILLER: It could be picking up hairs.

GRACE: OK, hair or fiber. I wonder if they were looking for fingerprints, as well. The tackle box sounds like what my investigators used to carry to get -- to carry their fingerprint tools with them.

Everybody, we`re taking your calls live. Out to Lisa in Florida. Hi, Lisa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good. I just wanted to say that I understand that the grandmother was concerned when she was first calling into 911. However, I don`t find she`s so concerned about her Caylee anymore. I think the whole family is in on this precarious situation. I don`t know what`s going on myself, but they just don`t seem to have the emotions that I would have. If my grandchild was missing in any way, I would be hysterical every single day in front of the media. I don`t care if it would drive me crazy or not. I would be out.

Now, I heard the tape with the brother and her, and it seemed like the two of them were talking in code, trying to figure out whether or not maybe the police were on to them or not. Did it seem like that to you?

GRACE: Well, I think they definitely were talking in code. I think they were -- definitely knew that they were being recorded. So I don`t know that the family is on in on some big conspiracy, but they do appear, at least at this juncture, to be totally behind mom, Casey Anthony, and her story. They absolutely are not looking under any other avenue, such as that she is guilty in the disappearance of her child.

Now, I want to go out to Leslie Austin, Dr. Leslie Austin, psychotherapist. What do you make of it?

LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, you know, I think absolutely no one is telling the truth here, and it`s very hard to make head or tail of it. What really strikes me is how much the family is talking. And if they were really concerned, they would stop telling stories and stop arguing their side and their case and just focus exclusively on trying to find Caylee. That`s what makes me suspicious. They`re speaking too much and telling way too many stories to be believed.

GRACE: The photos you`re seeing right now, Dr. Leslie Austin -- take a look at this. Everyone, we are showing photos that, according to multiple sources, were taken after Caylee goes missing, the photographer who took the photos, as well as fellow partiers at the club -- this is the night of the "hot body" contest. This is several days after little Caylee goes missing. That is mom, Casey Anthony, in the blue dress on the left.

AUSTIN: Very suspicious. This is not a woman who looks like she`s in grief or major concern for her child. This is a woman who wants to party, which makes me wonder, Did she participate in trying to give her daughter away or sell her or give her to a relative, give her to somebody? Was she involved in harming her? This is not a woman who`s concerned.

GRACE: Very quickly, Dr. Austin, back to Lisa in Florida`s question regarding whether the Anthony family is in on it. I think they`re in on it, to use her term, to the extent that they have all agreed they`re going to support Casey Anthony`s story. I don`t think it had anything to do with the child`s disappearance.

AUSTIN: Yes, absolutely, and nobody in your family wants to believe that your own family member killed their own daughter. That`s really heinous to think of, and very horrific. So I can see that they`d want to side with her until proven otherwise.

GRACE: Back to Natisha Lance, our producer standing by outside the Anthony home. Natisha, very quickly, the family, the Anthony family, the grandparents finally break down and admit she stole the gas cans. Who cares? What significance are the gas cans, except she had to break a lock and steal the gas cans and then lie about it.

LANCE: That`s right, Nancy. The Anthony family -- George Anthony did an interview yesterday, and he said that Casey Anthony is responsible for stealing those gas cans.

GRACE: But why? What significance, Natisha? What does it matter to the missing persons investigation?

LANCE: Well, Cindy Anthony is saying that she feels that it`s irrelevant to the investigation. However, for some reason, police feel that they could actually be significant to the investigation.

GRACE: OK. Mark...

LANCE: They took those gas cans, looking for...

GRACE: Let me ask Mark Williams. Mark, what`s the police theory as to why stolen gas cans full of gas have anything to do with a missing child investigation?

WILLIAMS: The reason that they took the gas cans was just the fact they wanted to see if Caylee was close by those gas cans prior to her disappearance. And that`s why...

GRACE: They must have let the cadaver dogs hit on them, Mark.

WILLIAMS: Sure. Sure. And you know, the cadaver dogs hit in the back yard several times.

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CINDY ANTHONY: Every focus that`s on Casey takes effort away from Caylee. All the energy used on running these tabloid pictures, and you know, people calling in and all that -- they could be out looking for my granddaughter.

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CINDY ANTHONY: No other missing child has that national coverage. I`m going to do whatever it takes to take advantage of the media. I`ve gotten burned by all of you guys. There`s not a whole lot of people that we trust. George and Lee and I are getting threatening letters, threatening phone calls, threatening e-mails. People come out of the woodwork that are so-called friends. This community is an awesome community. Everybody else right now is -- you know, they`ve shown their true colors. And the bottom line is, it`s all about Caylee.

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GRACE: Where is Caylee Anthony? 1-800-423-TIPS. You can see that number down at the bottom of our screen.

Straight out to the calls. Angie in Virginia. Hi, Angie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, is it possible that Casey`s family knows that she has harmed Caylee and they could be working for police to try to get her to confess to them?

GRACE: Interesting theory. Let`s go out to Ron Shindel, former NYPD. What about that theory?

RON SHINDEL, FORMER NYPD DEPUTY INSPECTOR: Well, at this point, Nancy, you can`t knock out any theory. All theories are possible, at this point. They`re treating it like it`s a homicide investigation in many aspects, but they also need to bring in all types of theories not only to prove them, but also to start disprove them. They have to start narrowing their investigation so they can come to some really concrete information and find a path they can go down.

GRACE: Absolutely correct.

Joining us tonight, Ernie Alan, the president for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Ernie, it`s great to see you. You know, time is crucial. Every hour that passes matters. Explain.

ERNIE ALLEN, NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN: Well, it really is. Time is in the enemy in these kinds of investigations, and the 30-day delay here hurt badly. We know in the most serious cases, when children are abducted and murdered, that in 76 percent of those cases, the child is dead within the first three hours. So you have to move now.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know that there are Zenaida Gonzalezes out there. The Zenaida Gonzalez that has been talked (ph) to use by Casey is non-existent to this point. What we need to do is receive information from Casey, and nothing but the truth. We need that information. Caylee`s birthday is on Saturday, on Saturday the 9th. She deserves nothing less than to be home with her family.

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QUESTION: Is there a moment that you`ve ever thought for a second that maybe Casey had a hand in Caylee`s disappearance?

CINDY ANTHONY: You know, we went through a lot of scenarios with the authorities, accidents and stuff, and none of it makes sense because why go through all of this? Why put us through all of that? It doesn`t make sense. She wouldn`t do that.

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GRACE: Today, crime scene investigators go back to the Anthony home and leave with bags of evidence. They go in with all of their forensic gear, including black cloth. With black cloth, even blood diluted can be detected. We are taking your calls live.

Very quickly, to Nikki Pierce with WDBO. Nikki, this scenario that Mark Williams has reported on is incredible, that the day after Caylee is last seen alive by anyone that knows her, the mom may have shown up pretending to be Zenaida Gonzalez at Sawgrass apartments to pretend she was looking at a vacant apartment, and then later on leads police there to show them the apartment where Zenaida Gonzalez lives?

NIKKI PIERCE, WDBO: Police have not ruled out that possibility. They do say that most of the half-truths and the lies that she told in the initial report had some sort of kernel of truth, so it wouldn`t be surprising if this actually happened. And as Mark Williams said, investigators were back out there today. No one knows exactly why, but it could have been with a photo array to see if anyone recognized Casey Anthony.

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CHRISTINA: But you`re telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Cause they`ll find.

CASEY: That`s it. I have no clue where my daughter is? Yes, that is the truth. That is the absolute truth.

LEE: Do you think Caylee is OK right now?

CASEY: In my gut, she`s still OK and it still feels like she`s -- she`s close to home.

GEORGE: That she`s safe. I`m worried about this family. She knows who has her daughter, she knows her daughter`s safe. You know I`ve got to believe her that she knows that everything`s OK.

GRACE: You seem hopeful that Caylee will be home by her birthday on Saturday. Why?

CINDY: Well, I hope that`s the case. I mean, every day I feel like we`re getting closer to locating where she`s at. Casey`s maintained al along she doesn`t know where Caylee`s at.

Casey`s telling us that Caylee`s life is in danger. Casey`s telling us that Caylee`s life is in danger. If we go in there and someone thinks that she`s going to tell me something more than her life is in danger, and I believe that.

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GRACE: From the jailhouse, we learned that mom, Casey, now announcing Caylee`s life is in danger.

Back to Mark Williams with WNDB Newstalk 1150. Mark, all along she has been representing that Caylee is with a nanny and she`s going to be brought home. Everything`s going to be fine. Now she says her life is in danger.

Why?

MARK WILLIAMS, NEWS DIRECTOR, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: You know, this is the one thing that a lot of people don`t understand, because remember, in the -- in your opening segment with the audiotape, she -- they mentioned the fact that she didn`t know where she was and all of a sudden she knows where she was.

Well, if she thinks Caylee`s life is in danger, why doesn`t she tell investigators and investigators can go to somebody`s house, wherever this thing is, break down the door with a search warrant, of course, and arrest these people. Case closed.

But, you know, with the mother and the father supporting Casey the way she has, all I can say is sometimes blood is thicker than water and also innocent until proven guilty.

GRACE: To Nikki Pierce with WDBO -- Nikki, what has happened -- what, what precipitated this change in scenario by mom, Casey Anthony, behind bars? All along she has been suggesting that Caylee is going to be OK. She`s going to be back home for her third birthday this Saturday and suddenly, August 6th, we find out she now says Caylee`s life is in danger.

What happened?

NIKKI PIERCE, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: You know, I`m not entirely sure. Cindy came out and said that she had spoken to Casey and Casey had said, quote, "in her own way," that Caylee is in danger and would be in danger if it appeared that she was giving more information.

Maybe I`m just speculating here, but maybe she is starting to feel like she`s running out of time, she`s running out of people to believe her, so she`s changing her story. It`s a possibility.

No one is really certain, because her stories have changed so much.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, Mickey Sherman out of New York, criminal defense attorney, Paul Batista, veteran defense attorney as well.

To Mickey Sherman, your client changing her story, now announcing the baby is in danger?

MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE?": You know, you don`t always have the greatest faith in your client`s ability to communicate with the police or anybody else. I wouldn`t place that much, you know, importance on what she has to say. It`s what she`s doing or she`s not doing.

GRACE: The last person that saw Caylee alive.

SHERMAN: Yes.

GRACE: Why shouldn`t we?

SHERMAN: You know.

GRACE: Why shouldn`t we consider every word she says important?

SHERMAN: Well, the problem is, obviously, there`s some agenda we don`t know about, whether she left.

GRACE: Yes, save your own skin agenda?

SHERMAN: Well, maybe she left her child with a book maker or drug dealer. God only knows. This is like a bad lifetime movie. We only hope that it doesn`t have a horrible ending.

GRACE: A book maker or a drug dealer. That scenario is fantastic. That`s incredible. I don`t believe that.

SHERMAN: It`s no less fantastic than.

GRACE: This woman has no history of involvement in drugs.

SHERMAN: Well, I`m just saying that there`s got to be some.

GRACE: Gambling, what, she had to steal gas from her family`s car.

SHERMAN: Well, I don`t know why anyone`s not saying that. I think the obvious reason that they think the gas is important is that she incinerated the child`s body. I mean that`s horrific, but isn`t that the obvious basis upon which the police are acting?

GRACE: Or unless they believe she put the gas cans in the trunk of the car, where there was a body, because remember, Paul Batista, the cadaver dog or dogs did hit Casey Anthony`s trunk.

And speaking of lawyers maneuvering, to Paul Batista, the lawyer, Baez, goes back and forth, I didn`t seek immunity, no, I would never, she wants to cooperate with the feds.

He told me that weeks ago. She still hasn`t met with the FBI. She still hasn`t met with the cops. And now.

PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "DEATH`S WITNESS": Well, that`s her right, Nancy.

GRACE: . he comes out and says, oh, yes, we did talk about immunity.

BATISTA: She has a right to negotiate with the federal government, the state government. Baez has a right to ask for immunity, partial immunity.

GRACE: But why lie about it? Why say nobody`s ever mentioned that? Now we learned that they were talking about immunity in exchange for her helping to find her daughter.

BATISTA: Those conversations take place all the time between criminal suspects.

GRACE: Really?

BATISTA: . their lawyers and the prosecution.

GRACE: They didn`t with Marc Klaas. They didn`t with Marc Klaas. He didn`t ask for immunity before he volunteered to give a polygraph.

BATISTA: Well, maybe Marc Klaas was not represented at the time by Mr. Baez. Baez is doing the appropriate things in asking for immunity, in talking to the government, and trying to deal with this problem.

GRACE: I know but why lie about it? You want immunity, fine. But why, why do you want immunity? Doesn`t that disturb you that she is even bringing up the theory? OK, I`ll talk to you and help you find my daughter, but you can`t prosecute me for anything?

BATISTA: Her lawyer is.

GRACE: Doesn`t that suggest anything to you, Batista?

BATISTA: Her lawyer is exploring immunity for the simple reason that she is in jail. She is being prosecuted as though she were a murderer. Any rationale lawyer would seek to mitigate the circumstances that client is in.

GRACE: OK, Mickey, agree or disagree?

SHERMAN: I totally agree. And also, you got to remember, it`s not like we tell our clients what they should tell us. Very often, they tell us the truth, some truth, half-truths, missing facts, that we never about. So, you know, he`s at a real handicap because he doesn`t know if his client is going to change his story or if she`s telling the truth. He`s doing his best to protect her and that`s by keeping her mouth shut.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Angela in North Carolina. Hi, Angela.

ANGELA, NORTH CAROLINA RESIDENT: Hi, hi, Nancy. I wanted to know why they`re speaking on the baby, all they see is smiles and handshakes, and when they walk in the courtroom, all smiles, but when they say it hurts, she started crying.

GRACE: OK, wait, wait, Angela, repeat the question.

ANGELA: I want to know why when they brought -- when they keep talking about the baby, that`s all we see all smiles, but soon as they say, you, Casey, is getting charged, we see tears.

GRACE: You know that`s interesting.

What about it, Dr. Leslie Austin?

DR. LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, I`m not exactly sure, to be honest, what the caller`s asking about but when people are not telling the truth.

GRACE: In court. I believe they`re talking about in court.

AUSTIN: Thanks, Nancy. When people are not telling the truth and they keep changing their stories, they`re not necessarily showing their real emotions and she may be crying because she`s upset that she`s still in court and she`s not focused on telling the truth and getting her child back.

GRACE: Rosie, let`s take a look at Casey-- excuse me, Casey Anthony in court. She was, as Angela pointed out, smiling throughout. And I`m not so sure that the parents are changing stories. They`re along for this roller coaster ride their daughter is taking them on. They`re just hanging on. All right?

So when they come out with different scenarios, I`m not so sure that they`re creating these in their own heads as opposed to trying to make sense of what their daughter is telling them from behind bars.

To Donna in Pennsylvania, hi, Donna?

DONNA, PENNSYLVANIA RESIDENT: Hi, Nancy. How are you all? I want to let you know I love your show and I`ve been following you since Court TV.

GRACE: Man, that`s a long time ago.

DONNA: Yes.

GRACE: Remember those days with Johnny Cochran.

DONNA: That`s right. I just love you. I think you`re awesome.

GRACE: Thank you.

DONNA: My question is that they have on there that she posed as the babysitter by going to this apartment and supposedly trying to rent it under this false name. Now do they have any other evidence that she was posing such as like maybe a wig or a different clothing or using some type of thing to disguise herself?

GRACE: Interesting question.

Mark Williams, anything else in the avenue -- the line of questioning regarding posing as the babysitter?

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, we`ve been discussing this thing right here. And we`re thinking that, you know, the apartment complex that she went to is in maybe not the best part of Orlando, maybe where some legal immigrants decide to set up shop. Usually you ask for a driver`s license and a photo I.D. I don`t think she presented them that day or the management didn`t ask.

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CASEY: Waste my call sitting in oh the jail?

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: Who`s fault is.

CASEY: Sorry?

CINDY: Who`s fault is it you sitting in the jail? You`re blaming me that you`re sitting in the jail?

CASEY: Not my fault.

CINDY: Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it`s not your fault? What do you mean it`s not your fault, sweetheart? If you had told them the truth, and not lied about everything, they wouldn`t.

CASEY: Do me a favor, just tell me what Tony`s number is. I don`t want to talk to you right now. Forget it.

CINDY: I don`t have his number.

CASEY: Well, get it from Lee because I know Lee`s at the house. I saw Mallory`s car was out front. It was just on the news. They were just live outside the house.

CINDY: I know they were.

CASEY: Well?

CINDY: Well.

CASEY: Can you get Tony`s number for me so I can call him?

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CINDY: Casey?

CASEY: Mom.

CINDY: Hey, sweetie.

CASEY: Well, I just saw your nice little cameo on TV.

CINDY: Which one?

CASEY: What do you mean which one?

CINDY: Which one? I did four different ones and I don`t know, I haven`t seen them all. I`ve only seen one or two so far.

CASEY: You don`t know what my involvement is in stuff?

CINDY: Casey.

CASEY: Mom.

CINDY: What?

CASEY: No.

CINDY: I don`t know what your involvement is, sweetheart. You`re not telling me where she`s at?

CASEY: Because I don`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) know where she`s at, are you kidding me?

CINDY: Casey, don`t waste your call.

CASEY: No.

CINDY: . to scream and holler at me.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

CINDY: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. What is.

CINDY: Get someone here now.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. What is the address that you`re calling from.

CINDY: We`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl. My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?

CINDY: The babysitter took her a month ago that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself.

There`s something wrong. I found daughter`s car today and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.

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GRACE: These chilling 911 calls cannot be discounted. You heard the voice of Cindy Anthony, the grandmother, hysterical when she learns her granddaughter is missing.

I want to go back to Natisha Lance, standing by there outside the Anthony home.

Can you tell us about the dive teams now involved in the search for Caylee?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, OUTSIDE ANTHONY FAMILY HOME: According to a new report today, Nancy, a dive team is going to join the search for Caylee. They are going to search lakes and ponds in the vicinity of the Anthony home. According to a local resident that I spoke to earlier today, there are about three, at least three ponds in the area that they`ll be searching, one that is just a few doors down from the Anthony`s home.

Now this investigation is not one that is based off of a tip that police have received. However, the one from yesterday, where police searched a wooded area and went in with cadaver dogs, that one was based on a tip, however, they did not hit on anything.

GRACE: Natisha, is it true that the Anthony family has actually gotten threats?

LANCE: That is true, Nancy. I actually spoke to Deputy Padilla and he told me there was a rumor of an extortion letter. However, they were able to track that letter down to Thailand and it was nothing to it. It was a bogus letter.

He said, unfortunately, when a case gets this big in size that occasionally some of these things slip through the cracks.

GRACE: A crack (INAUDIBLE)

LANCE: . and they get some bogus letters.

GRACE: So there`s not a serious or a legitimate threat, but the family was threatened?

LANCE: Well, the family is saying that they`ve received threats over the phone as well as e-mail as well as through letters.

GRACE: Back to Ron Shindel, former NYPD deputy inspector. Why do the investigators keep going back? Just a couple of hours ago, they left the Anthony home with bags of evidence.

RON SHINDEL, FMR. NYPD DEPUTY INSPECTOR: Well, Nancy, as they collect evidence, that`s what that kit is, that tackle kit, it`s an evidence collection kit, as they go in and get evidence, they`re finding that some of the evidence links them to one theory or another. The evidence that they keep collecting is actually just leading them down a path and they realize now they have to maybe make adjustments in what they`re looking for and maybe look for additional evidence that will support another theory.

GRACE: So the more they learn suggests to them different things they need to be searching for, things they need to try to obtain from the home.

To Ernie Allen, with the national -- the president of National Center for Missing and Exploited Children -- Ernie, it`s very important in my mind that the investigators don`t lock into one theory, unless they`ve got a mountain of evidence. Why?

ERNIE ALLEN, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN: No, absolutely, Nancy. They need to work these cases in parallel tracks. They need to rule things out. We understand how damaging the apparent evidence is, but it`s important that they continue to search for a live child, because you look for a body differently than you search for a live child.

GRACE: Everybody, the tip line, 1-800-423-TIPS. You see it on your screen there along with a photo of little Caylee.

I`m just telling you, Mark Williams of WNBD, if this is true, this theory they`re investigating right now, that Caylee -- Casey posed as a mysterious babysitter, if that is true, that`s going to blow this case wide open.

Do we have any idea whether she may have been disguised when she went to the apartment complex?

WILLIAMS: Not that we know of right now. Again, investigators are remaining tight-lipped when they went to the apartment complex today and when they left.

My question is, are there any video cameras at that location? Also, the other thing that could break this case wide open, Nancy, of course, is the DNA -- results of the DNA testing, which are due back later this week, either Thursday or Friday. And I think that`s going to yield a huge, a huge wealth of evidence in their search or in the search either for live child or for a body in this case.

GRACE: Back to Vince Miller, the vice president and chief technical officer joining us from Chromosomal Laboratories.

Vince, if Caylee`s DNA is found in the trunk, could there be an innocent explanation as to why?

VINCE MILLER, VP, CHIEF TECHNICAL OFFICER, CHROMOSOMAL LABORATORIES: Certainly. The point is that she lives there and so any DNA that might be there could be transferred.

GRACE: She doesn`t live in the car trunk, Vince.

MILLER: I`m sorry?

GRACE: She doesn`t live in the car trunk.

MILLER: No, she doesn`t live in the car trunk. But the evidence, she may have cut herself and DNA -- or the stain happened to be transferred to the trunk. If it`s a hair, we all shed about 50 to 100 hairs a day, so that could be transferred in.

GRACE: OK.

MILLER: So there`s lots of ways she could transfer it in.

GRACE: Understood. Would you expect to find forensic evidence of the so-called babysitter in any of Caylee`s clothing, her bedding, the diaper changing table, anything like that?

MILLER: Well, certainly if the -- if the babysitter was commonly used and used more than once or was in the residence, it doesn`t sound like it was kind of from what I`ve heard.

GRACE: You know what? You`re right, because not anybody has ever seen in all of the year and a half she`s baby sat for Caylee, nobody`s ever seen her.

To Katie in Alabama, hi, Katie.

KATIE, ALABAMA RESIDENT: Yes, hi, Nancy. I was wondering, most of the time when you go apartment hunting, they make a copy of your driver`s license before they take to you out to view the apartment. I was wondering if they did that in this case?

GRACE: Nikki Pierce, do we know?

PIERCE: We actually don`t know at this time. They`re continuing to investigate that, but your caller is correct. Normally they do take a copy of your driver`s license. However, as Mark Williams said earlier, perhaps in that area of town, it`s not common practice.

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GRACE: Straight out to the lines, Cindy in New York, hi, Cindy.

CINDY, NEW YORK RESIDENT: Hi, Nancy. I love your show and you do an excellent job on it every time. I watch you every day.

GRACE: Thank you.

CINDY: And what I want to know is I`ve heard Cindy, Casey`s mom, in the past, make up -- or it seems that she makes up several excuses about Casey, said this in reference to her child being in fear for her safety. Are these recordings at the jail that can be traced or.

GRACE: Yes. The recordings at the jail can, but those phone calls, so far, have all been from family and friends. I -- I think what she`s getting at is as has Casey Anthony received information that suddenly makes her think her daughter`s life is in danger. To our knowledge, no.

Tammy in Arkansas, hi, Tammy.

TAMMY, ARKANSAS: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

TAMMY: I love your show. My question is can they force her to take a lie detector test since she`s lied too much?

GRACE: With me, Mickey Sherman, Paul Batista, it`s not that easy. Is it, Sherman?

SHERMAN: No, not at all. No one can be forced to a take a polygraph test, unless you`re like a government employee or something of that nature.

GRACE: Right.

SHERMAN: But if there are going to be a possible suspect in a crime, no, you have a right not to. That`s why.

GRACE: Paul, agree?

BATISTA: Absolute right not to do that. Absolutely correct.

GRACE: Of course, she can voluntarily take one, but, believe me, that hasn`t happened yet in this case.

Everyone, as you see the tip line, 800-423-TIPS, let`s stop and remember Army Corporal Jose Rubio Hernandez, 24, Mission, Texas, killed, Iraq. Lost his life just hours after his final birthday. Loved computers, movies with family, and his mom`s Mexican food.

Dreamed of creating his own video games, leaves behind mom (INAUDIBLE) and siblings, widow and high school sweetheart Jennifer, baby boy, Nikkolai.

Jose Rubio Hernandez, American hero.

Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. Happy birthday to Iowa State University coed Trina Rothenberg. And to one of our show stars, Marlina Schivo, a.k.a., warm and fuzzy. And a special get well tonight to my brother, Mack.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

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