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NANCY GRACE

New Lead in Missing Trenton Duckett Case; Controversy Over O.J. Simpson Book

Aired November 15, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Is 2-year-old Florida boy Trenton Duckett alive? New details emerge in a parent`s worst nightmare, a 2-year-old boy tucked into his crib, mom in the next room with a video, then she says the window screen slashed, the baby gone. Almost immediately, police name mom Melinda Duckett the prime suspect. Tonight, a new witness who passes a polygraph with no hint of deception comes forward, giving us all hope baby Trenton is still alive. And tonight, investigators converge to join the search.
And a special guest later on, Glenn Beck speaking out on the newly reported O.J. Simpson interview on how to commit murder. Somebody tell me, did this guy get paid? And Beck on the radical Islam agenda.

First, is 2-year-old Trenton Duckett alive?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a witness. She believed that she saw Melinda. She remembered seeing little Trenton in the vehicle, and she asked about his name. She had an earpiece in her ear, and she said, Is it Denton? And Melinda corrected her.

We believe that it was possible during this time that she may have left that Wendy`s and actually met someone to hand Trenton off to another person to take.

Team members of this parallel investigation by the Marion County sheriff`s office, along with Leesburg Police Department, Lake County sheriff`s office, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement are prepared to say that little Trenton is alive.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us tonight.

In a stunning development, Marion County police in Florida say they believe this little boy is still alive. To Court TV correspondent Jean Casarez. Explain.

JEAN CASAREZ, COURT TV: Well, law enforcement believes this woman, number one, is credible. And she -- her testimony, her statement is corroborated by the cell phone tower record. Remember, weeks ago, we heard about that. On Sunday, August 27, cell phone tower records placed her initially in Leesburg, Lake County, but then traveling to Marion County.

And at the time that those records show she was in Marion County, this witness is saying, Yes, I worked at a Wendy`s drive-through. A woman came through. I recognize that tattoo. I saw the little boy. I said, What`s his name? And I thought I heard Denton, and I said, It`s Denton? No, she said, it`s Trenton. And the woman is saying, I can`t forget that. And she has passed a polygraph.

GRACE: But that`s not the end of it, Art Harris. According to this Wendy`s employee, who reportedly passes a polygraph with, quote, "no hint of deception" -- and remember, this is August 27, the day the little boy was reported missing later that evening.

So the mom allegedly drives through with the baby in the car. As Jean Casarez says, the woman speaks to the mom. She recognizes and recalls very well her barbed-wire tattoo. It`s very noticeable on Melinda Duckett`s arm -- asked the name of the baby, gets it confused, Denton, the mom says, Trenton. But that`s not all.

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: That`s right.

GRACE: The mom comes back, Art!

HARRIS: She comes back, Nancy, about an hour later. The first trip was about 11:30 that morning. She orders something. And she comes back. The worker at Wendy`s notices Trenton is not in the car this time. And the mother comes back. Melinda buys some chicken nuggets.

So what the Wendy`s worker remembers is the first time she came through, she bought grown-up food. Doesn`t remember exactly what she bought, but she remembers the amount she spent. Police have gone back and they`ve checked the exact amount. This worker has an amazing ability to remember details about customers like that. And so she remembered the second trip, didn`t remember the amount of money she spent, but she got chicken nuggets.

Trenton was not in the car, and the theory is that she left Trenton with somebody. Police believe that there`s a conspiracy. She handed him off to somebody to keep him away from her husband. And maybe she forgot to buy him lunch, so gets him his little child`s food and then leaves. That is the one sighting alive of Trenton that day, giving police hope that...

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Where`d she put the baby between the first Wendy`s visit and the second Wendy`s visit?

HARRIS: That`s the big question, Nancy, and that`s what investigators are doing, going back and totally revamping their assumptions in this case to believe that he`s now alive. And working from that assumption, they`re looking at her cell phone records and going back six months before they even began to look at records.

GRACE: OK. Joining me on the phone right now from Ocala, Florida, is a very special guest tonight, Major Chris Blair. He is with the Marion County sheriff`s office. And if you recall, the search had gone to Marion County because there was a possibility the two were sighted near a lake there. When that didn`t pan out, focus shifted back toward where Melinda Duckett lived. This Wendy`s, however, is in Marion County. This witness has been uncovered by Marion County police. And joining us is the sheriff, Major Chris Blair. Sir, thank you for being with us.

MAJ. CHRIS BLAIR, MARION COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: You`re welcome.

GRACE: You know, I`m just stunned. And a lot of people are asking why is she just coming out? She`s not just coming out. Isn`t it true that this lady witness came forward to you guys September 27?

BLAIR: That`s correct, Nancy. She made contact with the Bellview (ph) Police Department, located just south of our agency.

GRACE: And you know, a lot of people are also asking, Why haven`t we heard of this before? But Major Blair, isn`t it true, you get a tip, then you have to go over and interview the woman, say the next time she`s at work?. You have to take a detective over after that. Then you guys, I`m sure, investigated her story, corroborated her story, and finally reportedly got her in for a polygraph. That takes time.

BLAIR: Yes, ma`am. It sure does.

GRACE: Now, sir, how did the focus get off Marion County to start with?

BLAIR: Well, after we conducted the search at the lake, it wasn`t until a later time that we learned that the cell towers -- we received hits from Melinda Duckett`s phone records. So then after that was substantiated, it bought that back into Marion County. We then, with many, many detectives, covered the Marion County area in the direction of travel that Melinda took on August 27, trying to find witnesses and videotapes, and so forth.

GRACE: Major, hold on a second. We just put up a map to show viewers what you`re talking about. See the ATM? That is near Leesburg, near her home, at 10:49 AM. The Wendy`s, and correct me if I`m wrong, Major, is about seven to ten miles away. She`s there around 11:15-ish and about 20 minutes later. Then suddenly, she`s at the Paddock (ph) Mall area around noon. That`s where she is -- is sighted there. Excuse me. That`s where she gets a ping on the cell tower.

Now, explain to me your timeline, Major.

BLAIR: Well, she`s at the Leesburg ATM at 10:49, and we`re probably about 20 miles -- or 20 minutes north of Leesburg. So upon the time she arrived at the Wendy`s, it was around probably 11:15, according to the witness. She then said -- and I have to make a correction here, that the - - Melinda returned 20 minutes later. It wasn`t an hour, it was 20 minutes later without Trenton.

GRACE: So just 20 minutes later, the baby`s gone. Then she turns up by cell phone ping at the Paddock Mall cell tower. Yes?

BLAIR: Yes.

GRACE: OK. Major, what`s your theory? Where was Trenton 20 minutes later?

BLAIR: Well, you know, we believe, due to the fact that Melinda is an obsessive-compulsive type person, she`s a planner -- she states in one of her letters that, I like to plan things. I think that there is a theory. And there`s multiple theories in this case, but I think that`s usual with major investigations. But a theory that we have is that there is a possibility that she conspired with individuals to pass Trenton off.

GRACE: You know what`s interesting, Major? The night that I interviewed her, it was an interview by phone. The husband was on air. She found out the husband, Josh, was giving an interview and then she decided she would come on, too. That night, she mentioned the very same thing, unsolicited to me, how she would never be caught short of change, that she always planned things out. She mentioned the very same thing you`re talking about right now, which really didn`t even fit into the question I had asked her.

But still, I don`t understand how her being a planner, and Trenton`s there at the Wendy`s, 20 minutes later he`s not -- why does that give you so much hope the baby is still alive?

BLAIR: Well, I think that we have to look at this, that there`s no indication that any harm has come to Trenton. I think that the Leesburg Police Department did an outstanding job on their investigation as far as looking at the scene. We weren`t privy to that information during the investigation. However, there`s no physical evidence.

GRACE: You know, another thing, Major, it just seems to me that we would have found something by now with the degree of investigation. We`re talking about the possibility that a 2-year-old Florida boy -- there`s been a massive search for this little boy, Trenton Duckett -- may still be alive. A new witness has emerged. Joining us is Major Chris Blair with the Marion County sheriff`s department there in Florida, who found the witness, interviewed the witness and has had the witness polygraphed, which she passed.

But speaking of Melinda Duckett, take a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Melinda, where had you been with him that day?

MELINDA DUCKETT, MISSING BOY`S LATE MOTHER: We had basically been out driving around. There`s something about a convenience store. I don`t know where that came into play because whenever I go out somewhere, you know, I always have gas or I`m not short-handed with anything, and I`m always prepared for it all. So...

GRACE: So where had you been that day?

MELINDA DUCKETT: We had been -- gosh, all through Lake County and up into Orange.

GRACE: Doing what?

MELINDA DUCKETT: Basically just shopping, going around, driving.

GRACE: Shopping where?

MELINDA DUCKETT: Well, we didn`t go anywhere specific.

GRACE: Well, I mean, if you went shopping, you had to go into a store. What store did you go into on Sunday?

MELINDA DUCKETT: We went throughout the county.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Out to Mike Brooks, former D.C. cop, former fed with the FBI. Mike, what do you make of it?

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: I`ll tell you what, it sounds like the Marion County sheriff`s office has done a great job. In fact, I think the whole task force, Nancy, has done a phenomenal job with Leesburg, Lake County, Marion, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI.

But there`s still a lot of work to be done. You know, they`re probably going to have to go back now and look at all of the cell phone records going back months and months because if she did meet up with somebody, the likelihood of her calling that person to meet them somewhere is going to be in the cell phone records somewhere on that map we saw, on some time. So if they -- he had -- she had to drop him off somewhere before she went back home and planned having the movie with those two guys because, remember, there were two guys that evening between 7:00 and 9:00. They also have been polygraphed and both of them have passed a polygraph.

Now, a law enforcement source close to the investigation told me today that, yes, this woman did pass a polygraph. She was non-deceptive on that she believes she saw Melinda and Trenton.

You know, I sure hope, everyone hopes that this is really a big -- a big break in this case, and I`m sure Josh does because he has just been on an emotional roller-coaster ride since all of this happened, Nancy.

GRACE: Speaking of Josh Duckett, joining us right now is Trenton`s father, Josh Duckett. Josh, welcome to the show. I`ll be seeing you tomorrow night there in Leesburg. We`ll be reporting live from the team Trenton headquarters Thursday and Friday night, all excited about this stunning news and hoping for the very best. Josh, what do you make of it?

JOSH DUCKETT, MISSING BOY`S FATHER: It`s a big break for us. I mean, I think that it`s going to generate a lot more people to want to help and a lot more people to keep their eyes open. I mean, we`ve felt all along that Trenton is alive and well, it`s just a matter of finding him. And now that law enforcement is saying the same exact thing that we`ve thought all along, I think it`s going to help a lot.

GRACE: Josh, when did you learn about this new witness at Wendy`s?

JOSH DUCKETT: I had heard stuff about her a few weeks ago.

GRACE: Do you know who she is?

JOSH DUCKETT: No.

GRACE: I`m not asking you her name. I don`t want to hear her name on the air, but...

JOSH DUCKETT: I don`t know who she is. I haven`t gotten all the details on her, but they have told me the story and everything that went along with it.

GRACE: Back to Major Chris Blair with the Marion County sheriff`s office. Have you personally interviewed the lady?

BLAIR: No, ma`am. One of my detectives has.

GRACE: What did he think of her?

BLAIR: It was a female detective, and she certainly did an excellent job with the interview. She also interviewed the management there, along with co-employees. They described this witness as uncanny. She has the ability to remember people and conversations. So I think, certainly, you know, she has a reputation of remembering people.

GRACE: Has she been a long-time employee?

BLAIR: She`s been there for some time.

GRACE: And a lot of people, again, are saying why is this just coming out? Well, he went missing August the 27th. The national media didn`t get ahold of it for a couple of weeks. And this woman comes forward September 27. So it`s not like she sat on her thumb for months and months on end.

Let`s go to the lines. Jeana in Ohio. Hi, dear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: How are you? What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is the same thing. Why now is this coming out with this lady? I mean, why now? I mean, and also, my question is, for the detective, did she know this person? Is there any indication if she knew this person?

GRACE: Good question. Let`s got out to Major Chris Blair. Major Blair, it`s my understanding that this lady employee at Wendy`s did not know Melinda Duckett prior to this, and what attracted her attention to Duckett was that -- Rosie (ph), can you pull up a picture of that tattoo? If you see that hanging out of the car window, you`ll probably remember it. It`s a very thick, dark, ink, barbed-wire-looking tattoo. And she actually had a conversation, Jeana, with Melinda Duckett about the name of the little boy. She got his name wrong because she had on her headset. It was a drive-through situation. She said Denton and Melinda Duckett reportedly corrected her, saying, No, it`s Trenton, not Denton. Twenty minutes later, the woman comes back through.

To Major Blair. Please explain for Jeana and others why it`s taken so long for this to surface to the press, anyway, and was she familiar with Melinda Duckett prior to the sighting?

BLAIR: Well, Nancy, I think you covered it in the opening that, you know, doing an investigation, we have to be cautious with witnesses, and certainly, we have to establish whether what they`re telling us is accurate or not. And we wanted to make sure that this person wasn`t fabricating any information.

So therefore, after we received the information, we did multiple interviews with the management and co-employees. Thereafter that, we decided to try to schedule a polygraph, which took some time to get it scheduled. Once it was scheduled, she took the polygraph. The results showed no deception at that time.

Sheriff Bean (ph) then decided to go ahead and have a joint meeting with law enforcement agencies to include the FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Lake County sheriff`s office and the Leesburg Police Department. At that time, it was discussed at that time what information we had. Therefore, it was determined to go forward with this parallel investigative team.

GRACE: Right.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Team members of this parallel investigation by the Marion County sheriff`s office, along with the Leesburg Police Department, Lake County sheriff`s office, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement are prepared to say that little Trenton is alive. Why do we say that? Because no one has proven to us otherwise.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If there is a captor and they have little Trenton in their custody but they`re not sure how to get him returned, we want to encourage you to drop him off at a public place. Just drop him off somewhere to where we can bring him back home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s many theories that surround this case, many, many theories. And I don`t think any one of us have the correct answer. And I think that our main focus is to put every effort out there to find Trenton.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Stunning news tonight out of Florida, specifically Marion County. A newly emerged witness says she spotted Trenton Duckett with his mom the day he went missing. Now police lay it on the line, saying they believe Duckett is still alive.

Out to the lines. Shelly in Missouri. Hi, Shelly.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: Good, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just wondering, have they ever decided how the screen -- whether it was cut from the inside or the outside...

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... from the bedroom where the baby was taken?

GRACE: You know, Jean, I`ve got a lot of questions about outstanding evidence, such as the screen and specifically the computer.

CASAREZ: Well, the screen, first of all, they could not decide if it was cut from the inside or the outside because it was a nylon mesh. And once it`s cut, it just sort of goes back together. The computer, the FDLE is using all of their tools to investigate that. They first had to look at what was deleted, if there was anything relevant there. Then they went to what was currently on the computer, and there was so much that I think they`re still going through it to see if there are any clues at all.

GRACE: So we still don`t have the computer back, right, Jean?

CASAREZ: No, they are still looking at it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Where were you? Why aren`t you telling us where you were that day? You were the last person to be seen with him.

MELINDA DUCKETT: We`ve already gone out and distributed the flyers and...

GRACE: Why? Why aren`t you telling us, giving us a clear picture of where you were before your son was kidnapped?

MELINDA DUCKETT: Because I`m not going to put those kind of details out.

GRACE: Why?

MELINDA DUCKETT: Because I was told not to.

GRACE: Ms. Duckett, you`re not telling us for a reason. What is the reason? You refuse to give even the simplest facts of where you were with your son before he went missing. It is day 12!

MELINDA DUCKETT: It`s all media. It`s not just here, it`s all media, period.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Tonight, a stunning development out of Marion County, Florida. Is Trenton Duckett still alive? A newly emerged witness gives a sighting of Trenton the day he goes missing.

Out to the lines. Amy in Georgia. Hi, Amy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I was thinking about something. I have a 4-year-old daughter. And to this day, we have a baby monitor in her room and we have another receiving end in the living room and in our bedroom. And most units that you buy today have two receiving ends, so you can hear them, and you know, have them in two different rooms. And I`m thinking, surely, as young as he was, there had to be a baby monitor in his room, you know, that they probably would have had in the living room or the bedroom. Did the gentlemen that were in her house that night remember seeing, you know, or hearing anything? Because you can hear everything that comes over a baby monitor.

GRACE: You know, you sure can. What about it, Jean Casarez?

CASAREZ: We`ve heard nothing of a baby monitor. We only know there`s basically two ways that baby could have gotten out of the house. If you think that 10-inch cut in the screen the baby could have gotten out, that would be one way. Another way would be through the front door, but Melinda would have seen that, along with the two gentlemen as they watched the movies.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The witness stated that, while working in the drive-thru window of Wendy`s, that Melinda Duckett and Trenton had come through the drive-thru at one point between -- sometime between 10:30 -- or, I`m sorry, 11:30 and 12:30 that Sunday. She made a food order. She left. And about 20 minutes to 30 minutes later, Melinda Duckett came back through the drive-in, but did not have Trenton with her at that time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have no physical evidence, Leesburg or the Marion County Sheriff`s Office, to support any harm coming to Trenton.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: So why give away or sell her baby? Is it true police now have a theory that Trenton Duckett is, in fact, alive, the 2-year-old little boy pictured here? Out to Andrea Macari, clinical psychologist, why sell or give away your baby?

ANDREA MACARI, INSTRUCTOR OF PSYCHOLOGY: Well, it`s the ultimate vindictive act, Nancy. Think about it. Not only does the father lose access to his child, but he is left with many unanswered questions. And it`s the unresolved nature of this crime which really makes it beyond the pale of understanding.

GRACE: To Mike Brooks, would we have found his remains by now?

BROOKS: Not necessarily, Nancy. You know, talking with the police down there, you know, they had focused their investigation, their ground searches in Ocala National Forest to the north of Leesburg and in south Lake County. It`s very, very rural. You know, hunting season apparently has started. No hunters have come across the baby, you know, any remains as of yet. So, you know, that`s why there`s still hope that he`s out there.

As well as investigators are quoting, again, her note that was left there, and the tone of the note that gives them continued hope that Trenton is still alive somewhere.

GRACE: But back to Andrea, how can we believe a single thing that Melinda Duckett ever said? I mean, this witness alone disproves her whole theory that she was driving through the Ocala National Forest. That was total B.S.

MACARI: But, you know, Nancy, I think there`s a reason why she presented herself as being this planner. Think. What we say, especially what we see on TV, we`re putting that forward for a reason. Maybe that was her subtle, quiet way of saying, "Hey, listen, what you think I really did is not what happened. I am such a planner that I did something that you`ll never be able to figure out."

GRACE: Back out to Josh Duckett, Trenton`s dad who is with us tonight. He`ll be joining us at Team Trenton Headquarters Thursday and Friday night. We will be taking your calls live.

Josh, there`s been a lot of confusion about that cut in the window screen. Explain.

J. DUCKETT: Yes, I was told through the Leesburg Police Department that it wasn`t just a 10-inch slit. It was actually cut down the side of the screen and across the bottom and then up the other side. So it was like three sides of a square or of a rectangle.

GRACE: What do we know about that, Major Blair?

BLAIR: I can`t respond to that, Nancy. That was conducted by the Leesburg Police Department.

GRACE: Is there any reason that the screen would have been cut at the crime lab, Major?

BLAIR: Yes, they would have went ahead and probably ran a test with different instruments that were collected from Melinda to see if they compared with each other.

GRACE: Because all along, Art Harris, we had been told and Josh had been told by police that there was a single 10-inch cut on the screen.

HARRIS: That`s right, Nancy. But let me think about -- if you think about the theory of the police, that she is so smart, could she have concocted that whole scenario at her house, using those two guys as an alibi? She tells them where Trenton is, in the back bedroom, but doesn`t show them Trenton. They don`t see Trenton.

This is a planned-out event all day long. She goes through this drive-thru, which is the only time anybody sees the child, and maybe she planned the whole thing out. So if you go back and look at her interview, even with you, Nancy, she is so elusive. She dodges every question you asked her about where she was that day. Who did she meet? Who did she hand Trenton off to? The police want to know. And was she covering that up so police don`t have a lead as to where to go that day to find out who she may have met?

GRACE: And what else do we have, Art, in your estimation -- you`ve covered so many cases -- that would suggest Trenton is still alive?

HARRIS: Well, Nancy, as the police said, you don`t have any DNA. You have no blood; you have no hair. You have nothing in her car that indicates foul play. And all of those negatives give people hope.

And so I think it`s a brilliant and creative way to look at a missing child case that he is alive. And, you know, use the bloodhounds, but also use the human bloodhounds, and look at this from the point of view of forensic psychology, where you have a woman, her , and how she may have thought she was smarter than everybody else.

GRACE: Out to Josh Duckett, Trenton`s dad with us. A caller earlier asked about a baby monitor, if she had had a baby monitor. Certainly, the guests watching the video that night would have heard the baby.

J. DUCKETT: Yes. To my knowledge, there was not a baby monitor.

GRACE: And, again, Josh, what did we find in the trash, that she had thrown away that very day she reported him missing?

J. DUCKETT: To my knowledge, there was toys, there were sonograms, baby food, snacks for babies. And to verify for the sonogram picture, I mean, it was said that there was numerous sonograms. There was numerous sonograms, but they weren`t of the same one. They were in different stages. The doctor that she went to for the sonograms was like a learning facility at the college, and they`d done it step by step, one sonogram every month.

GRACE: Out to Britney in Ohio. Hi, Britney.

CALLER: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

CALLER: My question is: Why weren`t Melinda`s cell phone records traced back six to seven months prior to now, especially if she`s a planner? Why does it take so long to trace those?

GRACE: Out to our lawyers joining us tonight, Richard Herman and Renee Rockwell, we really don`t have any evidence, Renee, that they haven`t been traced back six or seven months. And if she were handing this baby off, Renee, clearly you would have seen those phone calls on a cell phone. What do you think?

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I am sure they are looking at, not only her cell phone, but her land line records, because -- and I`ve said all along, Nancy, that that baby is still alive. I think the hostility that she had against her husband was great enough to the point that she would give that baby away before she`d let him have him.

But it`s not what she says that interests me; it`s what she`s done. Like Josh said, she threw all this stuff away. This baby went missing on August 27th, and she kills herself in September. I don`t think that a mother would have killed herself with that baby in just a state of limbo. She at least knew where that baby was. Whether the baby is dead or given away, that woman knew where that baby was the day that she took her life. I`ve said it all along.

I hope that the baby is alive, and I think he is alive. And I`m looking at what she`s done to make me think that she`s given him away and has not killed him. Look at her note that she writes about him. She says she talks about him growing up and growing older. That baby is still alive, Nancy.

GRACE: What about it, Richard Herman?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I`ve got to disagree with Renee on this. I think that this woman was so distraught -- and you look at the planning that day, the traveling, the cell phone towers. I mean, she was completely all over the place, frantic.

I think this woman -- she went to the length of killing herself. I think she had a major problem with her husband here. And I just think that the breaking news today should be received with cautious optimism. I know law enforcement is seeking to energize the public with this information to show that the baby is alive, but I tell you, Nancy, this is a very tough case. And I hope they find this little boy, but I fear for the worst on this one.

GRACE: To Jean Casarez, what will we learn when we ever get back the computer?

CASAREZ: Well, the computer, she wrote a lot of poetry on the computer. She wrote letters on her e-space. And all of that communication, the rhyming that she did can maybe gauge some hints, because she was labeled a perfectionist and a planner. Maybe it will have some clues.

GRACE: Josh Duckett, do you feel that he`s alive?

J. DUCKETT: Yes, I`ve stayed confident this whole time. And I`m a strong believer, and I have a lot of faith that he`s alive and well. It`s just a matter of finding him.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The interview that will shock the nation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You wrote, "I have never seen so much blood in my life."

O.J. SIMPSON, ACCUSED OF WIFE`S MURDER: I don`t think any two people could be murdered without everybody been covered in blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: O.J. Simpson, "If I did it, here`s how it happened."

FRED GOLDMAN, FATHER OF RONALD GOLDMAN: Twelve years ago, Ron and Nicole were murdered, murdered by a man whose name I still, to this day, refuse to use. To this day, he has never been punished for that act in any form.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Without everybody been covered in blood? Hello? Grammar, O.J. And, no, we`re not shocked. We`re shocked the jury said not guilty. Am I shocked this guy is trying to make a buck off a double murder? No. Here in the studio with me, not only on O.J. Simpson, dare I mention the name, but on the Islam, as he says -- what is it you say?

GLENN BECK, HOST: Muslim extremists.

GRACE: Muslim extremists and their agenda. Now, how did you infiltrate to find out the agenda?

BECK: Oh, you don`t have to infiltrate. All you have to do is just listen to their...

GRACE: Log on?

BECK: Yes, just log and listen to their own media. That`s all you have to do, and that`s what we did.

GRACE: Speaking of extreme and agenda, do you think O.J. Simpson is actually going to make money off this interview?

BECK: Gosh, I hope not, you know?

GRACE: So yes?

BECK: Yes, I mean, the world seems to be upside-down. I can`t figure out how he does this or why he does this. This is like Michael Jackson saying, "OK, I didn`t molest little children, but if I did, here`s where I would have touched them."

GRACE: But, well, the thing is, you know, it`s so polarizing. I had the same investigator for 10 years in the district attorney`s office. We tried everything together from attempted shoplifting to mass murder. We had one argument in 10 years, over O.J. Simpson. He was convinced Simpson was not guilty, and I obviously was convinced he was guilty.

BECK: I don`t know how you can be convinced that this guy is not guilty.

GRACE: But why interview him?

BECK: I have no idea. At this point, the guy is just a total -- I mean, let`s say he didn`t murder Nicole, which -- I mean, try to be crazy with that for a second. Let`s just say he didn`t. This guy has been a complete and total dirt bag from that moment on. You think you`re going to jail for the rest of your life, you don`t, and this is what you do with the rest of your life? Wow, what a waste.

GRACE: Steal cable and assault people in cars. Take a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The interview that will shock the nation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You wrote, "I have never seen so much blood in my life."

O.J. SIMPSON, ACCUSED OF WIFE`S MURDER: I don`t think any two people could be murdered without everybody been covered in blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: O.J. Simpson, "If I did it, here`s how it happened."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: I`ve got a question to my producer back there in the control room. Rosie, why do you keep showing the video -- where is Rosie? There she is. Why do you keep showing Simpson dancing with those girls in his lap? It`s disgusting. Yes, hide your face. Right, hide.

(LAUGHTER)

So, if I did it, here`s how it happened. I actually thought it was a joke. I thought it was a skit off "Saturday Night Live."

BECK: Oh, it`s absolutely feels that way.

GRACE: It`s real.

BECK: Oh, yes. Yes. It might just be a salute to the Democrats, like to cut and run. I`m just saying. Maybe that`s what it is.

GRACE: OK, somehow I knew you were going to bring that up. OK, tell me about Glenn Beck`s special airing tonight.

BECK: Yes.

GRACE: It will be at 9:00 p.m. Eastern, as well as midnight, "Exposed: The Extremist Agenda." Explain.

BECK: Here`s what it is. I saw some video a few months back, just standing in the newsroom, and I had not seen it on any network news. I hadn`t seen it anywhere. And here I am, in a news bureau. And I wondered, "Gee, how come? What else is not being seen?"

So what we did is we went and we looked for different things on the Arab television channels, from Iran, from Lebanon, from Saudi Arabia. And then we had it all translated, and it is frightening stuff. Everybody says, "Well, gee, maybe we should understand them." OK, let`s understand them. Let`s see what the extremists are saying. Let`s see.

GRACE: What are they saying? Can you tell me now, or do I have to stay awake and watch the midnight special?

BECK: Let me tell you something: You watch the first 25 seconds of this special, and you`ll be awake all night. You will see a guy in the first 20 seconds of the special -- you`ll see a guy who is standing in a mosque in Baghdad with a sword, screaming in a mosque, screaming, "Allah Akbar," cut their heads off, blood of America. I mean, it`s frightening, frightening stuff.

You`ll see a 3 1/2-year-old girl, little 3 1/2-year-old, just beautiful child, talking about how the Jews are apes and pigs. It is stuff that you -- you know, Nancy...

GRACE: And we are still giving them money?

BECK: Oh, you`ll find out on the special tonight that our good friends, Saudi Arabia, are printing textbooks with this that are here, being used in Muslim schools here in the United States and worldwide. You will see things that nobody else is showing you.

GRACE: Hold on. Hold on.

BECK: Yes.

GRACE: Now, here on the NANCY GRACE show, we`re not afraid to take live phone calls, OK?

BECK: OK.

GRACE: So, buckle your seatbelt, buddy.

BECK: Oh, boy.

GRACE: Donna in Georgia, what`s your question, dear?

CALLER: Hi.

GRACE: Hi, dear.

CALLER: First, I`d like to say that both you, Glenn, and yourself, Nancy, we appreciate what you both do.

GRACE: Thank you.

BECK: She`s the best.

CALLER: Thanks. And, Glenn, I just wanted to say that you and I both know something`s coming, and please keep up the effort in alerting America.

BECK: Thank you. Thank you.

CALLER: Thank you.

GRACE: Is that a question?

CALLER: Yes, well...

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: Leave it alone. She was great.

GRACE: I know. I didn`t want you to end right there, Donna, but I want to hear the question. Make it a toughie.

BECK: Get out while it`s good.

CALLER: Well, my question was, what made him get the idea to do this, and how long did it actually take to get approved?

BECK: We started working on this in August. It is the hardest thing that I have ever been involved in.

GRACE: What`s the hardest part, the translation or getting it approved?

BECK: Oh, getting it approved. We fought for every single word, every image.

GRACE: So you show -- do you have a subtitle below? How is this going to work?

BECK: Yes, we`ve had it -- it was translated, so there`s subtitles, but also we had interpreters speak the subtitles, as well.

GRACE: Rose, do we have time to play some of the special right now? OK, let`s go.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Peace be upon you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Allah`s mercy and blessings upon you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): What`s your name?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Basmallah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): How old are you, Basmallah?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Three and a half.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Are you a Muslim?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Basmallah, do you know the Jews?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Do you like them?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Why don`t you like them?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Because.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Because they are what?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): They are apes and pigs.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: OK, yes, you were right. Where did you get the video?

BECK: Anywhere from Al-Jazeera to Hezbollah to Saudi Arabian TV. This is mainstream stuff in many of these cases. This is on their CNN or NBC networks over there.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BECK (voice-over): Aside from the parents, another effective way to reach kids directly is through television shows created for them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Jerusalem is captive; shame follows shame. Oh, Muslims, Palestine is calling you. Respond to the call. Jerusalem is calling you. Beat the drums of jihad; open the doors.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That`s what we`re up against, according to Headline News` Glenn Beck. He is with me tonight. He`s got a special on tonight, "Exposed: The Extremist Agenda." Out to the lines, Camille in South Carolina. Hi, Camille.

CALLER: Hey!

GRACE: How are you dear?

CALLER: I`m great. Two of my favorite people.

GRACE: Thank you.

BECK: God bless you.

GRACE: Don`t make me jealous, Camille, I know where you live. What`s your question, dear?

CALLER: I wanted to know when Glenn Beck was going to run for president, because I`ve wanted to vote for him.

GRACE: OK, now I really am jealous.

BECK: Oh, never. Could you even imagine what I would be like as president? We would be doomed.

GRACE: OK, even I`m scared.

BECK: Yes, oh, we`d be doomed.

GRACE: Hey, how do I know to trust your subtitles? Who did those subtitles?

BECK: About 1,400 people.

GRACE: I`m sure.

BECK: They were done over originally in the Middle East. Then they had to fly to Washington to redo them. Then they were flown to an independent translator in Los Angeles. And then they were checked by the attorney. Believe me; this special has taken me since August.

GRACE: If it were anybody but you, I may not believe it, but since it is you, OK. Bottom line, before we sign off, everyone, special tonight, Glenn Beck, "Exposed: The Extremist Agenda." What`s the message?

BECK: The message is America needs to wake up. The world needs to wake up. We are facing dangerous enemies that you cannot coexist with, that want to kill you, and you must, must wake up. See this stuff. It`s criminal that we`re not playing it on every broadcast in America.

GRACE: Join my friend, Glenn Beck. It`s right after our show tonight. Let`s see, 9:00, midnight Eastern, "Exposed: The Extremist Agenda."

We stop tonight to remember Army Corporal Chase Haag, 22, Portland, Oregon, killed Iraq. He joined the military straight from high school and dreamed of becoming a cop. Got the Purple Heart and the Bronze Star, leaves behind parents Bonnie and Frank. Chase Haag, American hero.

Thank you to our guests, but especially to you for being with us, inviting all of us into your homes. NANCY GRACE signing off for tonight. See you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And please stay tuned for my friend, Glenn.

Thursday and Friday, live in Leesburg. Until then, good night, friend.

END

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